It’s not ACCEPTABLE people! lol
Until recently, Rog had NEVER won a major. While his effort/reward value might be a bit skewed, it’s not like picking Balrog is free wins.
Boxer, and to an extend PR Rog, still wouldn’t have won a major if MVC3 didn’t come and AND if Jwong didn’t throw the game against him. He was doing great with Rufus then he just decided to give up and use Boxer.
I’ve seen a 4kPP 10kBP Rog lose to a noob rog once. I couldn’t believe my eyes. It’s not like the noob rog was good or anything. He was a flowchart and scrubby Rog just playing it lame. Mashing crouch jabs/sweep and turtling, waiting for opponent to compromise before landing a headbutt. You know, keeping it simple stupid. But the good Rog just didn’t know how to handle the scrubby rog.
I swear I’ve seen such a boring fight. Both players just holding down+back and not moving for half of the match. So lame it was actually entertaining. 
Which only serves to further prove my point I think. Not sure if you were trying to disagree with me or not really.
Balrog is just a really linear character. Once he loses the life lead, its hard to come back. He has no cross-ups, he has no mix-up game(unless you wanna count that painfully slow overhead that doesn’t hit anybody anymore outside of resets), and he basically just has to rely on tick throws and Gootecks Shimmy style frame-traps. But who cares, you got godlike normals, awesome AAs, great special moves that are either safe on block or break armor, EX armored running specials that hardly anyone gets, really good aerial normals(j.fierce hitbox cracks me up sometimes), meterless combos into Ultra, a 2.5 frame jab that can blow up half the cast’s reversal options on wake-up, can switch from offense to defense very easily, and laughs in the face of projectiles.
Because really, fuck working hard, ya know? I don’t want to rely on 1-frame links and 50/50 mix-up shenanigans and gimmicks into FADC Ultra and shit to win. I just want a character who excels at the ground game fundamentals of Street Fighter.
Plus, he has an outfit that looks like Apollo Creed. This character is the best.
idk how many reversal options c.jab is “blowing up” a meaty jab only avoids 7 frame reversals IIRC.
also balrog doesn’t win majors due to his extremely weak wake up options and lack of mixup game, he can beat everyone except a small minority of characters on the ground but once he’s on his back he’s at your mercy, kind of like Guile.
that being said balrog is still very good and justin would probably win every tournament ever if he played balrog instead of trying to prove to everyone he doesn’t need to turtle.
I hate this shitty argument whenever it pops up. If Justin mained Rog instead of Rufus, you would see the character win a major all the time. There are only so many *players *that win majors. You can’t use that as a way to show that a character is weak or strong.
Justin used balrog for the wins in a row world record.
Honestly, anyone with half a brain and 2 hands can get to 10kbp 4k pp with rog in a week. That doesn’t mean anything.
I guess Daigo could main Dan and win majors then?
It’s not as cut and dry as that. Even the best players can’t win if their characters don’t have good tools. It’s not one hundred perent abut the player or the character.
I don’t know about Daigo, but Justin on the other hand…
Yeah, pretty sure Justin Wong wasn’t doing half-bad with Dan against one of the best Ryu players in the world, recently. There’s also countless other times where “low tier characters” actually kick ass in majors(See: Gamerbee and Adon in SSF4, Kuroda and Q in 3S, Snake Eyez and Zangief in HDR).
Its like a character is only bad until a good player gets a handle on them.
I think everyone agrees now that Adon was underexplored and is actually a really good character.
Q isn’t a good character, Kuroda just plays him because playing good characters bores him or something.
Zangief is a competitive character in HDR and Snake Eyez is a good player.
Adon was never low tier though. He was higher mid tier in super with very little 4-6 matchups (actually he only had 2-3 bad matchups, the rest was all 5-5). And now he’s considered high tier in AE.
He has always been good. But he was just underused in tournaments for some reason.
So is Rufus > Balrog because Justin Wong > PR Rog, or just because Rufus is a better character than Balrog in this mystical dreamworld where everyone plays at the top of their abilities?
Either way, whether characters win majors or not isn’t a end-all, be-all barometer for how good a character is, especially in a game that’s only a few years old and changes annually. I don’t remember Vanilla Sagat sweeping the US Majors, but that didn’t stop everyone and their momma bitching about him being too good.
And the “Well, if Justin did this…” or “Well, if Tokido did that…” arguments against PR Rog winning need to stop. In the end, its all what-if speculation bullshit. Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve…didn’t.
This is all that needs to be said about this argument. Seriously, using tournament results as definitive evidence for tier rankings is such a narrow sighted way of judging the a character. At best, tourney results give only some idea of what their viability is in a competitive setting. There are a million other factors that decide who gets top 8 at tournaments like character popularity, character match up knowledge, player skill, where you’re placed on a bracket, and so on.
Now, that’s not to say I agree Balrog is god like or anything, I just thought I’d comment on the argument people are using to say he’s not.
I still think character choice is somewhat important, though in the end 49 times out of 50 the better player WILL win. I was just saying it’s not absolute, better players can lose to worse players from time to time.
What’s with you and your fixation with winning majors? This isn’t even about Justin, Daigo or whoever being special. Do you not understand that only** one person out of hundreds of people** win majors? That means you’re filtering out every other skilled participant, when winning a lot of times comes up to luck of the draw, the competition at the major, etc.
Cut and dry? How about you look beyond who gets 1st place for validation of whatever character.
Lets look at PR Rog specifically. He got first at final round. But I’m pretty sure he’s gotten 1st in other tournaments that weren’t streamed. And 2nd/3rd/top 8 for other tournaments that were streamed. Are you just going to disregard the rest of his success because he simply wasn’t first place?
Try not to look too heavily at tournaments (though it does help). Deviljin said it best about Balrog, go back and read his post.