You can’t safe jump 4 frames either… If you empty jump you can block both 3 and 4 frame reversals but if you press a button you’ll get hit. Try it in Super. Try a general safe jump against Guy, Guile, Dan, Dee Jay or Zangief. I guarantee you’ll get hit out of your move and then try an empty jump.
Edit: Blanka is an exception because he wakes up a frame later then the rest so his 4 frame is technically a 5 frame reversal.
thats completely false, you can safejump 4 frame reversals. Wakeup times have nothing to do with who you can/can’t safejump.
Learn the system mechanics/get some better safejump setups.
yeah man. simple proof, play Ryu, do c.mp c.mp c.rh, hold up forwards after you hit c.rh and do a meaty j.rh
His sweep is a frame perfect perfect safe jump setup. use it vs something like tiger uppercut or Guy’s EX tatsu and see what happens. the part that might be screwing you up is that you are pressing a button right as you land instead of waiting (check for a counter hit message next time you think your safe jump got hit)
you CAN safejump 4f reversals, and i’m a bit confused by the term ‘general safe jump’. there isn’t any such thing - a setup that leads to a safe jump against balrog (8f~12f) doesn’t guarantee it’ll work against cammy (5f w/ 1f delayed wakeup) or adon (who knows) or anyone else, really.
I can’t believe how stupid I just was lol. I was doing safe jump setups vs 5 frames and saying you can’t safe jump 4 framers. My bad dude ignore that above post, I just realised why I thought that lol. My bad.
I know the game system and my safe jumps perfectly fine Veserius, just made a common mistake.
For those of you that don’t get to play AE but only watched it through streams and stuff, the game really is a lot better as a whole. Even for some of the characters that got nerfed. It’s like they took away one blatant thing but handed them two other new things. I know people hate change, but it’s really all for the better.
Remember when everyone panicked that Seth lost his stretchy j.HP limbs? Yeah. You have to play it or watch it a lot to realize it’s not doom and gloom for the character as a whole. Things can be shifted toward other spectrum of playstyle and it has made things better.
When I played AE, I did a safe jump setup on Yun and it worked. The Bison board claims Yun’s upkicks are at least 4 frames. The Yun board (only post I’ve found on it so far) even claims it’s at least 4 frames unless you’re talking about EX which MAY be 3 frames (but I doubt it).
what setup did you use? WAS IT ONE OF MINE
Haha, sorry- I main Bison so I did a Bison specific one. I played a little bit of Yun with Blanka, but I lost because I was more testing things out (safety of balls/slide and cr. mk OS against dive kicks) and because the Yuns were better than me haha.
I’m assuming the cr.mk OS didn’t work.
Lol my bad. Cr. mp crouch tech OS. Sorry, I’ve been tired lately. No, I got blown up. I actually didn’t learn a lot about playing the matchup against Yun with Blanka.
cr.mk would actually probably work better than cr.mp just because of the speed difference. cr.mk actually works against rufus at certain ranges.
I’m starting to wonder if you or anyone who doesn’t main Fuerte simply thinks he’s just random.
Everyone has to guess with plenty characters. It’s nothing new. Hell Vega rapes Fuerte as far as I’m concerned.
I really don’t get. The character is weak and extremely unsafe. With two glitches, and now two useless moves. But several nerfs no corrections, and A jab chain buff, yeah He’s practically a joke character now, With his main goal being timeout wins to force irritation and mistakes.
Retarded. It’s laughable seeing people hating a low tier character.
I’ll assume the basic logic is scrubs whining.
Agreed. Fuerte has to guess correctly way more times to win a round than the average character does because of his lack of damage opportunities and bad defense. I think people don’t realize this a lot of the time because the guesses aren’t always spaced out like they are in the course of a normal match.
If I guess wrong against fuerte I take ~10%, and honestly for the risk he is taking, thats fair. If I guess wrong against Abel I might take 40+% damage if he has ultra stocked.
I like that fuerte represents a different style of gameplay, and makes you think differently in how to approach him, but I’m probably in the minority.
Just like you have the right to play Fuerte, we all have the right to hate playing him. It has nothing to do with tiers and everything to do with playstyle. Most of us just hate playing against Fuerte and he’s not the only one, Blanka gets a lot of hate too.
OnlineTony doing one or two stomps instead of the full riverdance made him look buffed?
I know he isn’t random, he is just beyond annoying. And Vega does not rape Fuerte. Once you take your time and get the knock down the match gets so fucking polarized because Vega has to guess every thing, and if I guess right my reward is being a characters length away from you. If Vega is getting away with KKK flip on wake up you are doing it wrong, that is not an escape options.
But wasn’t the actual reasoning behind what they did to Fuerte was to make him solid? Not a character based soley on trying to get a knock down? What do you do to fix him with out making him stupider than he already is?
Blanka hate is funny because the aggressive “random” playstyle that most people hate is far and away the worst way to play him unless you are T SRAI and can do 3 one frame links into ultra consistently and know all of his frametrap/meaty stuff.
For starters. His normals.
Far mp is actually very good. CrHK is a decent meaty. CrHP is a garbage anti air.
CrMP is too slow to be useable. ClMk would be worth using with more frame advantage since it is the only close normal that doesn’t cancel to run. Close hk needs more speed.
His crossups are jHp and JHK. But it’s hitbox is terrible to setup. An improved hitbox to either would make him more offense oriented as opposed to being knockdown dependent.
Specials:
fajita buster needs more stun. The only way to hit this move is on a standing opponent. Backdash, crouch and in air whiffs. 3/4 times I whiff and I’m screwed. It’s invincibility is inferior to tostada.
Quesadilla bomb: inferior to Cody’s Zonk and Rog’s TAP, no invincibility on their defined and obvious startups. Level 1 qbomb (2-second charge) is punishable on hit. Ex takes 8seconds to charge. This would be better off being the token safe special Fuerte desperatley needs. It’s a techable knockdown as well. So it’s not annoying to the other player as say tostada.
Tostada is fine as is. Chump change damage. But backdash, airthrow, focus all beat it.
Tortilla needs to interrupt uppercuts again. That is all. I’d gladly give up it’s invincibility to have that again.
Gordita sobat: maybe one more frame of advantage. It’s there to punish back dash happy players. But it’s fine really.
Picadillo jump. All three kicks on back run do it. Why not change the distances of the jump since he can already control several moves.
Gucamole: just fix the trade and I’m happy. The recovery nerf makes sense.
Back step: (forward run xx lk) give it invincibility like a back dash.
Back run: throw invincible. Ex run has two hits armor. Mix it up like Abel’s tt to give him a chance of escape.
Run deadzone is fatal. And to this day fuerte players have no clue what causes it.
U2 nerf is acceptable and we all knew it was coming. And it doesn’t hurt armor cancel.
In short. Improve his normals and he becomes an excellent poke/keep away/pressure character that doesn’t need knockdowns to setup. His specials would be more about stun. His normals the damage dealers.
Edit: sorry. Your question: crlp and far lp were sped up a frame. It allows crlp to chain to itself, Lets him press buttons. Or deal some easy damage and then xx back run outta there. Far mp also seems slightly better priority wise.
…hm…yea srry I think I got it mixed up with something else. The normal upkick is 4f but as you said maybe ex? Would be kinda weird though.