:lol: thanks, but I disagree
if my Abel was sick I would have made top 8 at Canada Cup instead of bombing out of the tourney after losing to Air 
There were a lot of heavy hitters man, you canât always make top 8.
Though being that close sucks.
Overly defensive of your character.
i wonder what the 3 of them would come up with if they sat down and went matchup by matchup. the list they came up with is more of a strength of tools list as opposed to who beats who
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Wow best Abel in canada??? yo man im sorry , everyone here who posted I apologise for causing any inconvenience.you really counter argued my point about random american dudes spouting bullshit that they have no idea about. You are all right , sagat was broken in sf4 , and all of you are better then me at this game.Yo sakeido , could I get your autograph dude? best Abel player in canadaâŚwow
I wonder why i dont know who the fuck u are and neither does anyone I know ?
the funniest thing about this whole debate is all the forum monsters posting are from some random city with no scene and havent played a good sagat in their lives. And they wonder why actual good players dont post on srk anymore , what a bunch of retards.ALL of u up their for a good 3 weeks were saying fei isnt top tier and wasnt that great until daigo mago posted their thoughts. now its !" uhh yeh hes pretty good actually"âŚ
I didnt say sagat wasnt the best in vanilla , I said he wasnt broken in the slightest , see theres a difference. A few buffs to the rest of the cast and maybe a slight slight nerf on sagat would of balanced things out nicely. But again , all of you have never played any good sagats , the best sagats outside of japan in Vanilla was in Europe and the best sagats now are still in europe .All you scrubs losing to mid play sagat level in vanilla and crying are the same people who are still complaning about blanka balls.
And the game keeps growing in that directionâŚ
BTW, Vanilla Sagat was like the low tier of God tier characters.
sagat wasnât broken. he could be beat.
he WAS overpowered however. there is no denying that period. 6-4âs against the ENTIRE cast? multiple 7-3âs? if vanilla was still the norm I am more than willing to bet a lot of the 6-4âs would have eventually turned 7-3âs. unfortunately, that cannot be proven since vanilla is now defunct.
i remember mago himself commented on sagatâs immense strength. i dont want to spout half quotes though, so i wont.
This isnt sf2 where everyone has big damage and decent mix ups, or a short timer.
99 full seconds in the ring with Vanilla Sagat was a nightmare. perfect zoning, perfect rush down⌠a quarter-half the cast was straight free for him. there is a reason why a disgusting amount of people were using Sagat, and letâs be frightfully honest, âI like his play styleâ and âI like the characterâ arenât the real reasons.
may i ask you, what would you consider overpowered if it wasnât vanilla sagat?
dont bother telling me i havent played good sagats either. i unfortunately have -.-
id argue thatâs fei. at least, if people are calling him god tier that is (which i dont believe he is THAT good. nor can someone without skill use)
Well, Fei is top tier, right now the best character, but does not meet the minimum requirements (even the most important one; having a majority 7-3 match ups with a handful of 8-2) for being considered God Tier. Sagat bearly makes the list because all the mechanics of the game (FADC, Ultra, Specials, Offense, Defense, Super Bar, normals, zoning) worked for him. As for your last statement (without skill to use) should not constitute as a requirement for title of God Tier imo.
I agree with you , he was the best in Vanilla and had the best match ups . But beginning of vanilla and ssf4 ae now are 2 different worlds , who knows what would of happened if capcom allowed the game to develop a little longer , people would of found out guile wasnt as bad as they thought , fei long cammy and rose werent as bad as they thought , and akuma is the best character in the game. obviously all those things did get found out , but I wonder would of the nerfs been so severe on sagat if they let the game flesh out a little to determine exactly the balance situation before releasing 3 games in a year and a half
SFIV and SSFIV were released almost 2 years apart (July 2008 and April 2010).
Sagat wasnât âbrokeâ. He was simply the only S rank character in Vanilla, in a tier of his own. This does not denote being âbrokeâ. Heâs pretty tame for an S tier, and if there was another S heâd have competition and itâd be somewhat as GGXXAC, but guess not. You guys havenât seen broke or even high potentials of S tiers, so stop whining.
Sanford isnât good with Sagat?
lol?
Oh yeah play Tekken 5.0 or Tekken 3 and play against either Ogre in T3 or Steve Fox in 5.0
Sagat wasnât âbrokenâ by any means. He was just overpoweredâŚJust not enough to even be considered that because few characters fought him decently and they also were top tierâŚ
Yo man, you donât know shit about me. Go check the Japan thread from June to July of last year. I went to Japan and played against Grandmaster Vanilla Sagats. Yeah, tell ME I havenât played against Mago, RF, etc.
EDIT: And save your harassment PMs for someone who cares. Reported.
I canât believe this is even turning into a big stink. Anybody can see that Sagat is crazy powerful in Vanilla. As a Guile player, I am all too familiar with just how difficult it is to fight a decent one. Fighting my way through the rain of tiger shots only to eat an EX and blasted back to the other side of the screen again⌠Winning the battle of patience only to eat a FADC combo to ultra for more than 50% HP⌠landing my own Ultra for depressingly little amounts of damage.
The definition of what is âSâ, âGodâ, or âBrokenâ tier will change from person to person and I see alot of people are arguing like âHeâs not broken. Just S tier.â Canât we just all agree that heâs really fucking strong and unquestionably the strongest character in Vanilla 
ASk sanford who inspired his sagat play and the colours he chooses when he uses sagat. And IMO if were tlaking about best sagats in canada and america Moshtabas sagat > sanfords sagat
oh wow this is gold , so you went to japan like a japan monster , got payed to get blown up , then came back still a scrub? who cares if u went japan? am i supposed to listen to u carefully now or something? and if u cant argue a point properly dont bitch and run away. wow reported me , i give a shit. Anyway im done here , i cant be bothered arguing with idiots, life trolls , and japan/forum monsters.
now that fei long and yun are riping u all to shreds and will proceed to in AE , I feel sorry for none of you.
no offence meant here , but Infexious never lost to 1 sagat in vanilla using guile , that match was 5-5 in vanilla and now its slightly in guiles favour in ssf4. Im glad people like u thought guile was so weak so capcom made him the most ridicolous character in ssf4 ,so many scrubs using him thinking there good. so stupidly buffed that IMO hes nearly top tier in this game with this advantages.anyone see a pattern here?
Unsurprisingly, youâre wrong again. Second result for âinfexious sagatâ on youtube (and the first one that is vanilla): [media=youtube]_yYDigBls0k[/media]
Thats infexious using sagat u retard loooool nice research job though, u just proved my point .
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This is pretty much the impression you are giving to everyone else and you are being a tremendous jerk for no reason. Can we just talk about video games without being sarcastic and namecalling?
yeah aplogies im grumpy in the morning. im done here bro. its all yours