Japanese Arcade BP Tier List: ??? - SUPER STREET FIGHTER IV AC edition BBS
S??Yun
AAA?Dictator?Ken?Sagat?Feilong
AA? Viper?Akuma
A??Abel?Blanka?Ryu
BBB?Makoto?Boxer?Rufus?Cody?Ibuki
BB? Sakura?Zangi?Guile?Chunli
B??Dhalsim?Yang?Cammy?Claw?Juri?Adon
CCC?Honda?Thawk?Dudley
CC Guy?Rose???
C El Fuerte?Seth
D??Gen?Gouken
E??Hakan?Dan
I’m laughing at Cody’s position on that tier list. How is he lower than Guy and T.Hawk? Lol!
Cody vs Fei - 5/5 (Cody can zone Fei, Zonk beats CW to get through fireballs [HK Ruffian beats it as well], more than one Rekka = c.LK into MK Ruffian, Cody has one OS that stops backdash and CW [not flame kick], Fei long wins at mid to close range. Cody in the corner = Fei Long rapes him. If Cody holds Zonk at mid range he can react to a Rekka).
Cody vs Chun - 5/5 (Cody can win a fireball war which means Chun is forced to move forward, Chun can outpoke him. )
Cody vs E.Honda - 5/5 (LOL at Honda having an advantage, it’s more in Cody’s favour than Hondas. Honda gets badly zoned by Cody, his skanky j.MP is what saves him. OS EX Zonk is beastly on Honda. What makes it even is Honda only needs one/two chances to make it even).
Cody vs Abel - 6/4 (It’s only slightly in Abel’s favour but since there isn’t any 5.5’s I’ll leave that)
Cody vs Viper - 5/5 (Cody can c.MK, c.MP [cross up burn kicks only], f.HK over seismo, Cody can terrorize Viper when he scores a knockdown and vice-versa)
Cody vs Seth - 5/5 (c.MK under fireballs, HK Ruffian all wall jumps, bad stone can match his booms, Cody outpokes him,)
Cody vs Zangief - 5/5 (We all know Zangief gets inside eventually but Cody can zone him extremely well, saying it’s 6-4 is basically saying he has no trouble getting in)
Cody vs T.Hawk - 5/5 (Same as Gief)
Cody vs Sagat - 5/5 (Sagat rapes at long range but his extended arm on his Tiger Shot makes Zonk hit from farther away than usual. It takes practice but c.HP -> LK Ruff beats High Tiger Shots from mid screen. c.MK goes under TK frame trap and TK in general, Cody wins at close range against Sagat. Sagat’s c.HP is a rapist against Cody)
Cody vs Blanka - 6/4 (All Blanka balls and vertical rolls get punished on block AND hit, Cody can zone him [LP rocks to prevent Blanka slide], Cody destroys Blanka’s wakeup with one OS. All Blanka has is elec pressure and ambiguous U1 setup. He can turtle Cody but with the knife that Cody can break that.)
Cody vs Guy - 6/4 (Cody is like anti-Guy, low moves > elbow drop, c.MK > bushin flip, his only true blockstring is TC -> LP Hozanto Zonk through everything else, Cody can zone him)
Cody vs Ken - 5/5 (Why would Ken have the advantage, Cody wins a fireball war which means he can zone Ken, Ken hasn’t really got anything advantageous over Cody. Cody can match him poke for poke)
Cody vs Rose - 6/4 (A lot won’t agree with this but I honestly think Cody wins this only because he completely rapes Rose in a fireball war. She can’t reflect rocks so and her fireball is really slow so Cody can react with EX Ruff, Zonk etc. She hasn’t got any true blockstrings without being point blank, so Cody can zonk any special if she cancels any normal, her backdash is her only saviour as Cody can’t U2 it or MK Ruffian it [ground OS only]. Cody can also match Rose poke for poke, her most dangerous poke is c.MP but if Cody holds zonk during footsies he can react to a cancel). This one is just my opinion though.
Cody vs Claw - 5/5 (I actually don’t think Cody has the advantage in this match, he can Zonk all of his specials but Claw outpokes Cody so it’s even)
Cody vs Sakura - 5/5 (Cody can zone her well but Sakura has the mixup and pokes, I think this is even)
Cody vs Gen - 6/4 (Cody zones Gen, all wall dives can be zonked, c.MK > vertical wall dive, there’s nothing in this matchup that makes it even)
The rest is fine.
This is for the SSF4 tier list btw.
LOL
he is lower than both Guy & Hawk easily.
Cody vs Fei 6-4 Fei. Cody cannot handle Fei’s pressure. Fei can handle Cody’s no problem.
Cody vs Chun 6-4. Cody doesn’t win with bad stone. Chun outpokes him… Chun can do that all day, and then start rushing him down with her c.lk pressure and Cody can’t do jack shit about it.
Cody vs Honda 6-4. Honda beats Cody… so what you have one anti-air that works really well against him? Honda has other options too, and can shut Cody’s offense down at will.
Cody vs Abel 7-3 Abel easily. Cody can’t handle his pressure.
Cody vs Viper 6-4 Viper. Cody’s mixup is basic as shit. He doesn’t terrorize anyone.
Cody vs Seth 6-4 Seth again. Cody can’t handle the mixups, or the zoning.
Cody vs Zangief 7-3 Zangief
Cody vs Hawk 7-3 or 6-4
Cody vs Sagat dunno
Cody vs Blanka 6-4 for Cody sure
Cody vs Guy 5-5 at most. Guile can’t zone Guy… Cody sure as fuck can’t zone Guy
Cody vs Ken 6-4 Ken. Cody does NOT win fireball wars with anyone. I have no idea where you came up with this. You have to try and out-footsie everyone, and shoto footsies > Cody in general.
Cody vs Rose 6-4 Rose. Again, who cares about the FB war. Her pokes are better.
Cody vs Claw 6-4 Claw.
Cody vs Sakura they both hit like trucks. Sakura wins in footsies again. Couldn’t call it one way or another.
Cody vs Gen 6-4 for Cody sure.
I’m an ex-Cody player
why do Cody players seem to forget so easily about how free he is not just on wakeup, but during standup pressure too? his reversal options are complete shit even compared to Hawk (EX uppercut, EX SPD) and Guy (EX tatsu)
the only thing going for Cody is his damage. that is IT.
qft…
based on the amount of bp held by top players of the characters? im not sure i understand. explain this a little for the slow people like me
^ That’s how I understood it.
Yes, this was linked to in the thread:
http://f40.aaa.livedoor.jp/~itdreams/UPLOAD/img/1294304315.jpg
Google translate returning:
"2011/01/06 BPTOP20 made based on date and the average rank and the number of far, separate Gurupu, the average difference in BP between about 1000 "
You saying your an ex - Cody player makes me wonder how quickly you gave up because you’re either; too lazy to put the work in or have really shit defence so gave up and went to a top tier (as I can see that is Abel, who is as free on wakeup as Cody…)
All you said throughout that whole post was Cody can’t handle the pressure, what if the player can? If I know the matchup I’ll know how to deal with it.
How do you suppose Fei long pressures Cody if he’s being zoned? And LOL at winning a FB war means nothing, how does Rose use her ‘better pokes’ if she can’t get in???
You’re obviously very narrow minded, I’mgonna forget about debating with people on here because they think they know everything lol. I’ll play your Abel and you show me it’s 7-3.
Reply if you want but I’ll ignore it since you have no valid reason for any of your statements.
Who do you ask than? Mago who said he was top tier from the start?
LOL
Abel is my original main since vanilla. I was going to ditch him for Cody, since hey my name is Cody… we look kind of similar… and Saber’s day -10 Cody combo video made him look beastly. I even modded an Xbox so I could play SSF4 early and have a good week 1 Cody. it didn’t take long for me to realize Cody is a character with only the most basic mixup game and serious issues on defense, only kinda-sorta balanced against his very tasty damage and stun output
sorry but I seriously doubt your game knowledge when you say Abel is as free on wakeup as Cody…
I’m also wondering which parallel universe it is where Cody is able to zone ppl out for entire fights with rocks.
People find ways to do crazy unorthodox things with characters. Look at Makoto and Cat-K, they alone made Vega work in SF4.
Cody is higher than Guy and Hawk…
Cody’s better than hawk. But no way is Cody 5-5 vs gief. Gief can bull dog him into the corner and on wake ups with safe jumps and os’s Cody is f’ed 75% of the time. He can zone gief out ok but it’s much easier for gief to win and all it takes is one slip up such as trying to aa and empty jump and eating spd then your in mix-up hell. No way is that 5-5 maybe 4-6 most likely 3-7. I hardly ever lose to Cody and I’m not that good.
I doubt cody is better than hawk.
cody is mos def not better than hawk
Abel has EX Roll on wakeup what else, EX TT?? That can easily be dealt with and is a worse wakeup move then EX Criminal and EX Zonk. His backdash is worse then Cody’s so how is his wakeup better?
I never said he can zone with JUST rocks… does Ryu zone with JUST fireballs? Cody has some of the best normals in the game that allow him to zone characters very well and it doesn’t have to be for an entire fight because he isn’t at a disadvantage up close like Dhalsim or Guile.
You keep mentioning his defence but there’re loads of characters that have bad defence, it’s just overshadowed by the good stuff. Dhalsim has bad defence, Guile has bad defence, ABEL has bad defence and there’re more but it’s ignored. Just because a character requires the player to have good fundamentals doesn’t mean they’re any worse than others. Cody is free on wakeup is like saying you need to reversal every time your knocked down. BLOCKING is the best wakeup move, you must not block at all then since Abel has such a good reversals right?
Cody ONLY has damage and stun output… Lol?? Cody can frame trap Abel for free and eventually the Abel player mashes on EX TT to get out.
It’s funny how you say Cody is free during standup pressure too, I won’t even comment on this Lol. Thank you for the qft tabs2002 (Y).
‘You even modded your xbox so you could play early and have a good week 1 Cody’
So you’re telling me you gave up after 1 week? Wow that’s a long time. You obviously are a lazy player to give up after that amount of time, you know nothing about Cody yet you’re trying to tell me (a Cody main and ONLY Cody) about his matchups. Then you type braindead statements like Zangief 7-3 LOL! You must not know what 7-3 means.
You can doubt my knowledge all you want, who are you? You don’t know me and you don’t know how I play. I think you have vast knowledge about this game though, I mean Abel has such good reversals!
Every post of this ice_rei is either about how his Cody is really good and he knows his shit so well, or about downplaying others with inane statements which hold just as little value as the things he replies to (usually with some Cody arrogance mixed in it aswell).
I do doubt you, because people with a big mouth tend to usually be not such great players after all. Infact, they usually don’t even have any kind of footage of themselves. Also, your last statement is incoreect, because you’re basically saying you don’t know how he plays either, which leads us back to circular logic doesn’t it?
Ugh I already regret posting this, I can already feel a wall of text coming up within a few minutes possibly. Oh well.
time to go to school
what can Cody do about safe jumps? nothing. Abel EX TTs
what can Cody do about meaty jabs & shorts? nothing good. Abel EX TTs
can EX Zonk be OSed against? yup
can Abel’s stuff be OSed against? aside from backdash and breathless, no
blocking is the best option. yes. that is not news. But you can’t block forever…
he’s at more of a disadvantage than either of them. Dhalsim has b+lk, a great backdash, and his super. Guile has flash kick FADC.
herp derp
you can’t frame trap anyone for free, ever
as far as I know
qft = "quoted for truth"
and he quoted me :lol:
I still play Cody on the side because he is not a tournament viable character and doesn’t warrant the time investment. When I feel like handicapping myself to play vs randoms he works pretty well.
I do know what 7-3 means… Abel-Gief was 7-3 in vanilla. Cody-Gief is 7-3 in Super, easily, and what’s more is that it feels much more difficult than the vanilla Gief match was because Cody’s offense is about 1/5th as effective as Abel’s is, and his defense is worse
better than Cody’s
I understand what you mean but matchups are based on high level play where both players know what they’re doing. If you play a good Cody you would understand that it’s not as easy to win as you think it is. It takes just one LP for a good Cody player to hit confirm into MK Ruffian and send him back to the other side of the screen.
With the AA’s, I know the ranges of my normals and a good Cody would as well. The whiffed AA rarely happens when I play Gief because I make sure I use the right one. He has so many AA’s that it doesn’t happen often, b.MP, s.HK (Very long range), s.HP, s.LP etc.
It’s true that one slip up can decide the game but that’s the same with most matchups with Gief, even bad ones like Dhalsim. The mistakes during matches shouldn’t really be a factor to decide whether a matchup is 6/4 or 5/5.
Being in the corner is a HUGE disadvantage against Gief but Cody can still keep him out of LP SPD range with his normals and if the Gief decides to jump, HK Ruff -> MK Ruff and he’s out of the corner. You have to remember that if Gief makes a mistake he has to work to get in, again, it’s not just Cody.
If you’re hardly losing to Cody then you aren’t playing very good ones. Are you playing online? Try and look for some good offline or online Cody’s, specifically. I would like to play you but it would lag too much.
It is definately not 7-3 because that would mean he is ALWAYS at an advantage. 6-4 would mean he doesn’t have that much trouble getting in however Cody’s normals and Bad stone (Fake Bad stone as well) give Gief trouble. It’s when he gets in that it becomes difficult but that’s like most of the cast, which is why I said 5-5.
Someone didn’t watch enough Canada Cup