SSF4 Lessons with Justin Wong, Mike Ross, Marn and Gootecks

Not to take away from them, but there are plenty of better ways to spend 50 bucks. Buying another game for instance.

I can kinda see where they’re coming from, but to pay for something online, and be taught for something online, must mean that they’re probably only going to use it to be good at online. A wild assumption, but a sea of Ryu, Bison, and Chun-Li scrubs would make anyone irritated when they start losing, and people who play offline consistently know its a great way to improve on fundamentals versus beating people up for points with those fundamentals.

With lag, and connectivity, I just don’t see it being worth the money. I wouldn’t mind playing them and they give me constructive criticism for like five dollar bets or 20 dollar bets or whatever (If I win, I get my money back. If they win, they get my money) cause at least then it feels like less of a wimpy move.

But to cry out for help for 50 bucks to people who place high, but don’t actually win tournaments… nah. Not to dickride, but if I were a Ryu player and I could speak Japanese, then I’d at the least consider learning from Daigo, but I hate Ryu, and I would rather do it that hard way.

You can understand japanese? Amazing!

(flip sarcasm switch depending on the answer to the first question)

LMFAO. Agreed Poptags.

If it was in person, where I’d get lag free games, hands on training, and face to face contact, then that’d be a different story. It’d be the equivalent of playing a pro in the arcade for an hour, with tips on improving my game, so $35 would be cheap. I’d consider doing it just for the experience of playing Justin Wong for an hour straight.

XBL matches? No. That’s not an experience that even comes close to playing in a tournament or money match, so what would be the point? Most information that any pro could give you on high level play can easily be obtained elsewhere, for free. Most problems in a casual level player’s game can be pointed out by any tournament level player. You can often play casuals with tournament level players just by going to a tournament. Other than the venue fee, that doesn’t cost a thing. I don’t know how other areas are, but in Philly the people in our scene are nice enough to help out anybody with tips if they just ask.

So where’s the market for something like this? Somebody trying to be tournament level can learn just by going to the tournaments and fighting the players s/he’s trying to aspire to. People just trying to get help in beasting their friends don’t need a pro to train them, they can just look up the info on SRK and train themselves. And if you’re at a level where only the best would be able to teach you, then there’s probably nothing they can teach you. 90% of high level Street Fighter isn’t knowledge, but how well you apply it. Which isn’t something that can be taught.

35-50 bucks is not expensive. Especially when you consider the price of getting the game and the SE fightstick, thats already 100 bucks.I’m sorry if 35 dollars is too much for you, heres the worlds smallest violin and it only plays one song.

props to wong and co for the idea. make that money

i think its a good idea, you can pay 35$ for guitar lessons which don’t do shit except remind you that you just need to practice. why not pay 35$ for street fighter lessons that provide the same?

Like the guitar lessons though, the market is probably fairly small, some new player buys a few lessons, learns that it takes hard work, and either stops the lessons and starts to practice or they just give up all together

XD this …

You guys need to remember that this type of service is a “You get in what you put in” type of deal. Obviously, if somebody was willing to teach me how to build car engines for 50$/hr, It would take a helluva lot longer to grasp the concept fully. After the first hour, I might have some ideas of how to do it, but executing it is a totally different scenario.

So I don’t necessarily think that this type of service is a One size fits all deal. You’re going to probably need more than 1 hour worth of training depending on how experienced you already are in SF4, so in general, its not “only 35 dollars”. 1 hour worth of training is not enough for your average person for any lesson, and it doesn’t matter what game or instrument you’re learning. Everything takes time, and time is money. If its just a quick analysis & critique, then thats about a good figure for it. But to think that you’re going to pay 35-50$ for a lesson PER HOUR and then after that hour be ready for the world, you’d be shitting kidding yourself. You’re going to have to put in a whole lot more money than 1 hours worth, if you want to get more out of your lessons.

Still not a bad idea IMO
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Peanuts compared to what some people pay pro SC players for lessons.

If you’re good at something, don’t do it for free. Especially if there’s a market for it.

These are pro gamers and are sharing what they’ve learned. Nothing stupid about this. If you have the money, and wanna train with a pro then say so.

No top player can make you good
you can only learn some theory from them and then practice yourself.

And all that info they can provide you its already here in SRK for free.
Its a waste money honestly
I respect those players, but yeah…

it makes more sense for FPS players to do it cause their online scene is HUGE, while on SF there’s still debates about wheter online even matters or not.

For anyone who wants to pay for that, you’ll save up a lot of money if you just put some time to make research and practice (which is what you gonna have to do anyway after an hour lesson with those guys)

Really? I thought some black guy got trained by Alex Valle and his skills are crazy.
Hmm,Marn is a fellow Viper player right?

I agree. Or, you could invest that money into joining local tournaments, where you can get some real hands-on training from MULTIPLE people at once, for much longer than an hour.

I agree to a certain extent. This service aims to two people primarily.

  1. People with money to spare. There’s nothing you can rationalize to tell people with enough money on how to spend it. If they wanna spend, let em.

  2. People who know 99% of the game and need that minute Professional assistance to level up to that amateur/pro level.

I agree most of what you need to do to get better is available here. There’s enough knowledge here to last most players their entire gaming time. But for the serious players, it’s not a bad investment.

My unofficial mentor Gootecks is teaching lessons for $40?

What a steal!

I’m gonna bust out laughing when/if they get owned online and people want there money back

im amazed at people finding 35-50 dollars expensive

Shizza. He got top 8 at evo, not to mention he beat Valle on his way there. Valle was training him since like December and he got pretty damn good in that amount of time.

Yeah, Marn plays Viper among a few other chars.

I could be wrong but isn’t WNF’s $5 to play at? If so, much respect to Alex for trying to level up the community and not making a profit from it.

How about these guys get an actual job and then do something for the community that supports them, by teaching them to be better at the game like Valle.

it is expensive, and its just a bad investment. It can be several days of fun, can be a 2 days of fun with friends, or an evening with the lady, or several tournaments. Valle gots it right, i belive they dont, they are looking for money. But at the same time its justifieable (at what thery are doing)

Yeahhhhh boi! I’m going to have to hit Marn up, but I’m going to have to get some better internet first. Did they say that they’ll refund if it’s laggy?

your amazed? really? srk.com recently ran a article about blazblue’s DLC character makoto costing 8 bucks… people said THAT was expensive lol