@#4 Sagat got back his special cancellable lk, so there is that to contend with.
@#2 Time for me to learn that c.lp OS sweep lol.
I’ve never heard such a thing. Have any proof to back up your claim? 
Wow, some people thinks uploading their scrubby play onto youtube and attending evo and being eliminated in 1 round is a solid prove that they are so called “respectable player”.
and anyone who dont attending evo and dont like recording and uploading is an online scrub.
LOL.
i know i cant see why would anyone think anything different. with os’s knock downs were the most important thing
OS KD’s
RIP Undertaker Voice
In a KD situation you give you opponent more time to mash dp, whereas if you get him with a surprise EX GH, he’ll have less time to mash dp. /jk ,but kinda true, sadly, in this game 
so if you space ex-hand to only hit on the second hit (counterhit) and c.lk is indeed 3 frame startup, they might combo?? purely situational lol
If you hit a focus attack with EX GH, like Doopliss mentioned, the first hit will eat the armor, and the second hit will register as a counter hit.Now the problem is purely numerical, how much more frame advantage does it give on CH on the second hit, and whether or not he has a normal he can combo with after.
Well, if it only gains 2 frames, nothing will combo, if it gets 3, you can do any light move, or lariat. Well, if they buff c.LK, that will work in both cases. Sadly, it looks like Smileymike is correct when he says that specials only get +2 on counterhit. Why wasn’t I aware of this?
Because my daddy works for Capcom.
I don’t see surprise factor at all in EX GH combos…you know the GH is coming… maybe just the O-S’s. Plus the animation of GH on hit and block is like forever.
I’m with u bro. I just don’t understand why anyone would want a total guessing game rather than a guaranteed kd. Just boggles my mind but everyone’s entitled to their opinion I guess. All I know is that vid doesn’t give me any positive reinforcement on this new gief. We’ll see…
This. Especially on the Gief forums there should be no debate.
If you think that having less time to react is what’s gonna make this EX GH then you shoulda seen how little time opponents had to react to whether your post-KD jump was a short jump or not; or whether you used cr.lk after a knee drop or went straight to 360K, etc. How much time did they have to “react” in those situations? Like 4 frames or something? Whatever it was, it was a lot less time than this new GH.
it all comes down to mind games…or a “Guess”
WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS?
Fuck saying no kd is good. Fuck sayin it’s all mind games.
We get an extra frame to block their mashed dp, or chase their teleport. At least with a kd we could safe jump or anticipate and punish.
Ugh gief gets nerfed so hard every new version of SF4
alright so its settled No KD= Nerf
some things from jap thread…
lp spd range and damage increased. fp spd dmg is awesome.
much safer on 1hit exgh due to increased hit back, out of ryu c.mk
exgh 2hit has 2 conditions depending on the initial hit distance.
gh regardlress of ex or not will knock down on counter hit.
if you hit opponent during fireball motion, it will knock down.
sometimes it ends up too far like 1hit, sometimes its very close and can continue attacking
u2 rage goes about half a screen, catches back jump easy. usually safe on miss by moving away too.
Fuck yes.
Hope we get some numbers on his damage also, this is turning to be really interesting. U2 buffs sounds sooo sweet.
I know it’s very early and I keep telling myself that it’s way too soon to make assumptions but gief was the most nerfed character from vanilla and now they take away his best move along with the potential devastation that hitting that move could cause. So by taking that kd away they essentially help mashers and players who can just hit u+b or teleport away. Plus, the damage on it is reduced? Wtf capcom?
So is this a confirmation of EX-GH knocks down on projectile active/recovery frames?
If so that’d mean EX-GH would have to knock down on counter hit, which is not the case what we’ve seen/read so far.
If this knocks down onprojectiles, this means this is a buff.