Hi there guys, this is something I’ve been wondering about, and I can’t judge for myself whether or not he’s better overall, or worse concerning what was posted on the Blog. Some people strongly believe the EX GH nerf is significant enough to completely alter Zangiefs’ gameplay for the worse, but some others believe the LP SPD Buffs as well as the increased range on S.FP and Ultra 2 are enough to make him better overall. Would you guys mind giving me your opinions on this Topic? I appreciate it, thanks.
I’m no Gief player, but I’d say he’s worse in AE, at the moment whenever Gief gets a knockdown via EX GH, it could probably mean gameover for lots of characters in the game, his wakeup vortex is very good and hurts a lot.
For example in AE if Gief did EX GH through a fireball, if the other character has a good reversal (i.e SRK) and specially with 2 bars to FADC, he might be able to escape Gief’s new mixup game for free, unless if the new lp SPD range is so good that you can punish SRK FADC backdash (I’m not sure about the frame data here), many characters can escape Gief’s mixup for free when having enough meters to make it totally safe.
Some are talking about lp SPD being used more in footsies, unless the range got really HUGE, there’s always the risk of eating a lot of damage if the opponent neutral jumped.
Again I’m no Gief player and I’m most probably very wrong lol, just saying what I think. I hope he ends being better in AE.
Nerfed. But won’t be sure till I can play or see people play the final build.
I won’t fully go that far…he definatly got a nerf, but until we see the extent of the ‘buff’ we don’t know how it will pan out. His playstyle will def change a bit.
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Still another Nerf. Because we see so many Giefs winning tournaments and online, yeah?
I hate whoever decided he needed to be nerfed. Basically all the characters I like to play as got nerfed.
Balrog, Gief, Honda, and Fuerte.
All. Fucking. Nerfed.
But give Ken more damage on his lp shoryu? Because we all love going online and hearing "shoruuken, shoruuken, shoruuken, " all match.
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/salty rant over
It’s hard to tell because you can’t compare Gief in a vacuum.
They nerfed a lot of stuff that would normally keep gief out (e.g Seth’s j.hp). They could’ve made no changes to gief at all and he would’ve came out better because of it.
Impossible to say until we see how the changes affect his game, and what other changes (if any) have been made
If the changes we’ve heard about are really all of the changes then my suspicion is that he’ll be a little worse over-all. But there are still way to many unknowns to know for sure.
But I still don’t think that the changes listed in the dev blog and Arcadia Magazine are all of the changes. For example, early loctests reported (I think it was from the loctests) that his cr.lk was back to a 2-frame link. So maybe there’s a few stealth buffs that we haven’t heard about yet.
My impression is that is more clear what nerf he get, but we still have to understand the buffs
s.HP range buffed… how much we don’t know
LP SPD range and damage buffed… how much we don’t know
HP SPD damage buffed… how much we don’t know
Imho we have to wait to judge how good are these buffs
I remember when they annunced Guile buff for SSF4,and was all theory… Guile players said that was’nt enough to make him good.
The game get released and Guile is retarded GOOD 
I don’t say that is the same,but maybe yes.
Maybe (maybe not) the range of the ugly s.HP get an huge buff,and we talk about a 140 dmg punch
Maybe (maybe not) LP SPD now is Gief’s new best friend
Maybe (maybe not) HP SPD now do really retard high dmg
Let’s wait
My opinion is just that they try to turn Gief more grappler: GH nerfed, SPD buffed. I think that Capcom guys know theyr stuff,if GH nerf is huge,maybe SPD buff are equally huge
It all depends in how much spd has been buffed and other changes they could made, lets wait and see but im not very positive since we are loosing a lot.
Giefs quickly taking the road to low-tier village. We all have to wait and see the final changes but I just know he’ll suck AGAIN.
I don’t know if he’s worse or better because I haven’t had a change to play the game yet. I assume everyone else is in the same boat.
i am holding off judgement until the rest of the info is out. geif losing kd on exgh hurts but if he gets a smaller hurtbox in the air(rumored) 2f cr lk (rumored) better range on lp spd better damage on all spds i think he will be fine. he still has awesome normals great antiair game(even kills most all crossups) and a command throw that beats almost everything.
i look at matchups he improves against most of his bad matchups because of his buff or their nerfs(seth, blanka, honda, maybe chun with increased spd range, ect) stays the same or get worse in others because of exgh(guile, sagat, cody, ect) and how can he not dominate the people he beat before even more(dudley, makoto, able=nerfed u2, ect.)
all things we know so far he will probably be the same as vanilla geif= he kicks the shit out of half the cast and loses badly to a few characters. but we really want to see more before i can make a better guess.
i want to see if we get a frame advantage when ex green hand hits it might not be so bad if we can do followups
hmm, I wonder how the Abel match-up is going to play out, between his nerf and the Gief nerf - where are we going to land ponders
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did you see the arcade trailer…i think they were showing off some of the character changes tword the end and they showed gief do a normal green hand to lp spd does this mean i wont get thrown anymore when i actually hit confirm this?
He’s better, for sure.
The blog dont give all info, just a little bit. Before SSF4 was released, the blog didnt say shit about cr.lk, his short jump, airhitbox and SPD damage nerf.
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Gief’s not gonna be much better now that he lost most of his knockdown potential. The good news is all his bad fights are improving because those characters got nerfed too, so he’s gonna be a bit better in relation to the others chars. Thats just my guess anyway. Guile/Sim are still gonna be monsters to fight.
sagat