He’s not random. Scrub Fuertes are random. The Fuertes you need to worry about are the ones that know how to keep Gief at bay.
Feel free to check the “Beating El Fuerte” thread. We’re the only ones crazy enough to have a thread about how to beat our own guy.
If you ask me, a well placed headbutt keeps Fuerte honest. Having lost all invincibility on Tortilla makes me wonder if it can even beat lariats clean anymore.
Ha, I will do my best! I find AE is a bit laggier than super was for some reason… a lot of people in the UK have said that. Maybe it is because more people are playing online! Dunno. But I find it is just enough lag to F stuff up 
I’ve noticed way more overall lag as well since I downloaded ae. Seems like I lose a couple matches every time I play cause of it.
lag could be due to the initial spike of players, i’m guessing.
lol this reminded me of a match I had back in Vanilla days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TDqGOQQnJE At 1:57
When AE launched I officially switched from Viper to Zangief and this is me at a local ranbat
me vs rose 49:10 some guy with a control interrupted the match but we kept it going
me vs DMG Atrocity Guile
me vs Simplyph33r Rufus/Balrog 13:30
Nice stuff flash good gief I really like the exgh hit to dash to ultra that was really nice. Why are you not using exgh after lariet trades. Is it because the positioning on wakeup is better with a wiff lp gh? Also any reason you switch to gief?
Alright, thanks Krall and everyone for the clarification. That particular system detail I hadn’t seen anywhere before. I had adjusted my timing since very soon after the arcade release of AE, but I hadn’t seen the frame data on it until yesterday. It’s had me curious for awhile.
As homework I think I’ll go verify it is after all recovery.
saw you on the stream last night flash, i thought someone was pulling a joke on me when they said you were playing gief. good stuff.
Beginning of round 2 vs atrocity you could have LP SPD’d him. Nice use of HP SPD, I am still trying to use it more in resets instead of LP SPD. Atrocity should have used ultra 2
I think in alot of Gief play people underestimate the range of fierce spd alot. in close, it hits.
I don’t think its worth the 50 damage and I have always been a footsie player and I got tired of playing viper so I figured gief was the next step since I always liked him and now hes like pure footsies with no knockdowns I love it
Looking back at it yea you are right I don’t really know the guile match up(along with a shit ton more lol) so i wasn’t really comfortable enough to focus on everything in the match
I thought it was 80 damage for exgh juggle? Anyways, it is a good thing for us to keep in mind. I am just so conditioned to exgh juggle every lariat trade; but in some round ending moments meter is more important. Also I am glad someone likes not knocking people down lol. I have had entire fights with 1-2 knockdowns. crazy.
well I love it personally just because the follow up mixup is really fun no more boring ass splash knee grab thing but its obviously a huge nerf anyone who thinks otherwise imo doesn’t understand Zangief if he was exactly as he is now but the EXGH knocked down he would be SS tier
Yeah, well welcome to Gief anyways. I think it might be a good thing you never got fully addicted to his knockdown short jump/regular jump/knee/splash/splash whiff/headbutt/headbuttwhiff mixups. I know the knockdown mixup is slower, but right now to me it feels like I am playing piano with my fingers taped together. I just need to retool everything and play smarter.
I dont think anyone is disputing the idea that Zangief would be even better with a EX-GH KD in addition to his buffs. I always thought of it as a discussion “Is Gief better or Worse” not “Is EX-GH better or worse” Because it isnt… Its worse… And in some matchups it has made a though matchup even harder… The Character is generally better, but really, terrible mus are worse.
Well here’s a beaut
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generally better?? LOL, a tiny spd range buff and a gamble u2 buff can compensate the loss of ex KD??
LOL, joke.
One chars tiny buffs, and other chars tiny / major nerfs all add up sswyu. Normal matchups are much more comfortable, people are easier to push in the corner. and 0.10 isnt minor… And who says you need to gamble with U2? sometimes its nice, but its also nice just to find patterns, then jump buffer and react…
Totally agree with this. Ive only played gief on and off during Vanilla and SSF4, but for AE hes become my main specifically due to the "normal matchups are more comfortable" feel. More footsie and read-based this time around imo. Also its not like gief`s knockdown game is completely gone. If you guess\read a backdash ( which happens even more now i think ) you still get the knockdown from EX GH due to all backdashes being airbourne this time around and on counterhit( correct me if this is wrong ). Also EX SPD ,K+SPD and super\ultras gives good oki as well.
One question I have though, being less then experienced using gief is the MU specific Ultra choices.
For airbourne-happy ( Adon, Vega etc ) and command DP characters ( Shotos, Cammy etc ) I prefer Ultra 2 now.
And for groundbased ( Gouken, Bison etc) and charge DP characters ( Balrog, Honda etc ) I use Ultra 1.
However, I would love to see peoples lists when it comes to the ultra choice. Im fairly unsure myself in matchups like Juri\Chun Li, as it seems im unable to land either one most of the time. Any ideas?