Daigo seems to think that Gief is a beast in AE. Apparently he lists him as being in the top 6 in AE.
I know it’s only one man’s opinion and it’s WAY too early for anything resembling a tier list to be made…but this gives me hope that at least Zangief wasn’t nerfed into oblivion.
Maybe the buffed range on LP SPD is really helping out. Can’t wait until more changes start creeping in.
wowzers. I’ve been working on learning a new main, (fei long, ryu, bison, or another top tier ***) because I feared gief might be ass in AE, but after reading what Daigo said I couldn’t be more excited to use the Red Cyclone.
If that’s not what’s going on then Gief either got a helluva buff to his LP SPD or there’s some stealth buffs that we don’t know about. Because I don’t think that what’s listed in the dev blog is enough for him to be top tier material.
Of course there’s the whole issue of other characters getting nerfed that’s really hard to quantify so maybe I should just shut up.
^this. The fountain of tears was overwhelming with nobody paying attention to how nerfed everyone else was becoming. The few calm heads that didn’t go scrambling to learn Hakan will be glad they rode with the cyclone.
daigo said they nerfed all fireball characters, and in general every matchup he is afraid of is against zangief. guess who knows more about street fighter then any of you? well, probably the guy who is afraid of zangief and wins everything.
Well, we still don’t know for sure. Along with those characters that got nerfs there were quite a few characters that got pretty major buffs too. Hell, Dee Jay may be the new Guile. Except I like Dee Jay better. He’s just such a likeable guy.
The same guy that claims viper is top tier in SSFIV. Dont get me wrong, daigo is one of the best players in the world that knows the game 1000x times than any one of us, but his opinions are not facts.
I just dont believe zangief is top tier from day to night because daigo says so until we see more of the cyclone in action and know all his changes.
You guys talk about nerfs like zangief didnt get the most brutal one of them (gh not knocking down)
Kinda funny how now everyone knew he was going to be top tier material in AE, lol. Just wait till we see everything, I hope daigo is right.
Check my posts in this forum about the changes. What so many people were overlooking was the stuff aside from EX GH. The reason Gief was mid tier previously as compared to how powerful he was in Vanilla was the nerf in damage to SPD’s. People can afford to take chances that they couldn’t before because they could afford the punish. With increases damage LP and HP SPD’s that will no longer be the case. And the 2 frame c.lk is far superior to mashing jabs for hit confirms. Plus the new EX GH Leads to new SPD mixup vortex. In a patch where most people lost damage we gained it in our primary punish/offensive tool.
Also look at the changes to our bad matchups.
Seth- No fly zone removed. No more stretchy arm hell.
Guile- Less damage.
Blanka- no free ball pressure. Easy punishes.
Sim- Less damage.
Honda- Less damage.
Abel- Zangief killer ultra nerfed.
Shotos- no free corner escapes.
So aside from Sagat which will always be hard we’re in there. I don’t see why this was so hard to accept. And people wanted to poo poo the loc tests and now apparently the best SF player in the worlds opinion isn’t valid? Unreal. Keep drinking the haterade, but Gief is in there and I can’t wait. It’s crazy to me how intent people are on maintaining the grim mask of doom.
I have no idea if Gief is going to be amazing or so-so or pretty good; haven’t played with him yet. I am just remembering how badly people were getting blown up by T.Hawk when Super first dropped, grapplers tend to dominate while the opponents are figuring out links and spacing and safe/unsafe specials and normals. Might take quite a few months to see how new changes pan out. There will be gimmickry, it will get figured out. New Gief technology will emerge.
I am very excited to fight a nerfed Blanka though; moreso than the first time I fought a Sagat with Guile the first day Super came out.
@WeaponsLeft- c.lk is confirmed at 2f link again?! I did not see this!
WeaponsLeft, I’m not saying you’re wrong, but only looking at bad matchups that got better is only half the equation. You also have to look at even-ish or good matchups that got harder for Gief.
Sakura got some crazy buffs and will be able to zone better.
Gouken already had a decent zoning game and with better normals/footsie/up-close ability he’ll definitely be a hard matchup.
Ken is said to be the best of the shotos now.
Dee Jay got buffs shoved into his ass.
Juri got some pretty decent buffs too.
And that’s just the projectile characters, which have traditionally been dificult matchups. Makato and Gen recieved some pretty heft buffage as well, and lots of other characters (Guy, Hakan, Adon, Dudley) recieved smaller buffs.
And is the cr.lk being back to a 2-frame link confirmed? I remember it being rumored but haven’t heard confirmation. If it is then that would be very nice.
I’m interested to see what exactly they changed on Zangief.
I read the famitsu interview. They all seem to literally fear Gief. Those damage/range buffs on the SPD’s seem to have them running scared haha. Really want to see some video of gief fights =/
I respect Daigo’s opinion but I’m still reserving judgement till I see some gameplay vids or get my hands on AE. He’s always had a bit of trouble with Zangief, so he possibly just doesn’t know what to do yet. Like Guru said, people are gonna figure him out. If he remains a beast after that, then it’s all good, but I’m not holding my breath. Either way, I’m not dropping him so here’s hoping Daigo is right.
I’m sorry but this is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on the zangief forum. The no-knockdown EX GH is not a “vortex”, its a huge nerf. In fact a vortex is back when it DID knockdown and zangief could choose a crossup down lk, or splash, or empty jump 360k, etc. so your post is basically completely wrong.
If you need video evidence check out the vid above with Zangitan and see how effective the new ex GH “vortex” is, lol