i wonder if you can u2 on reaction against yun’s divekick from outside of normals range and still block in time.
why not
Alright, so the SRK wiki has frame data for AE, so we can compare some of the closer changes for Rose between Super and AE.
AE frame data for Rose: http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV_AE/Rose
Super frame data for Rose: http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2009/apr/18/roses-frame-data-street-fighter-4/
Changes I noticed from comparing the frame data:
Spark - Reduced Meter Gain
In Super, all versions of Soul Spark were 30/20.
In AE, that is now 20/20.
ST - Buffed Throw Range
In Super, her ST throw range was 0.4.
In AE, her ST throw range is now buffed to 0.55.
Also, if it is whiffed, it will gain more meter - 40/40 in AE instead of 20/40 in Super.
U2 - Start-Up Change
In Super, her U2 start-up was 1+4; in AE, it is 0+7.
You’ve got to be f’cken kidding me. 0+7? That can’t be right. Now it’s even slower? If they made it 7 frames + invulnerability it would make sense.
I thought it was faster as well, but the frame data could either be right or wrong. We’ll be able to test it out in a week. Figuring out her U2 start-up has always been sketchy, and it was highly debatable in Super.
I believe it’s 0+7.
Can’t ever do spark fadc u2 anyway in AE. 
i compare the prima guide frames and the new AE frames:
U1 is in SUPER 1+11 and AE 1+12, Recovery Super 43 and AE 44.
Focus lvl. 2 Super 18+13, AE 17+14.
why da fuck they made her U2 slow as fuck? now it’s nearly useless, no fadc combo, knockdown slide ST mixup gone…
Thanks for posting the new frames.
BTW, I respect the fact that you guys tried to act brave in the last page but saying “I’m sticking with her” but…I still say that opinion will change once you activey try to win against top tier. Prove me wrong plz.
Seems like they edited it again, and there’s a few more changes.
Now I see U1 being 0+12 instead of 1+11. I’m not too sure if that means she gained an additional invincibility frame off her U1.
Sabin, I don’t play the game JUST to win. I play as well to have fun. My character is Rose. I didn’t play Rose just because she was good.
I’ll find a way; most of the people actually willing to stick with her player with her in Vanilla where she had impossible match-ups. I know there will be a way once we learn more against the stupid twins (could careless about Fei-Long match up.)
If I can’t win against Daigo’s Yun, I don’t care. I probably wouldn’t have been able to beat Daigo’s Yun even if I did have completely invincible Soul Satellites anyway. It’s just the way it works - there are people who are better players. If I can beat the still good but lower key Yun players, I’m fine. I’m accomplished.
I’ll play Rose even if she was the shittiest character in the game. It’s fun to me - It’s the same thing that happened to me from BlazBlue CT -> BlazBlue CS with the damn Rachel nerfs. I didn’t drop Rachel, I played her because I liked her.
The opinion won’t change, it just won’t. I’d rather keep the character that everyone knows I use around here since Vanilla rather than join the Yun-Yang bandwagon.
I’ve lost to 3million Vanilla Sagat’s before - didn’t drop her, didn’t think of dropping her.
I totally on the same boat as you. I mean it’s not like everything’s black and white. I’m not switching just b/c she sucks and i wanna win. I play the game partly to be competitive and partly b/c its fun. She’s definitely not as competitive and at this point i’m even questioning whether she’s even gonna be fun anymore. Having to try wayyy harder and barely have a fighting chance just to probably lose? Not very fun to ME.
Short version: Waiting til AE comes to console for a final verdict.
@Blue falcon
The U2 slide mp ST setup still works against everyone it worked against in SUPER. It’s just weird against the new cast.
I mean I respect that, no need to justify to me. Everyone has their own reasons for playing. I’d just love to be proven wrong. You went through the rough vanilla days so i dont expect u to switch lol
Ive been playing AE here and there since it came out in arcades. She seems weaker but not enough to where I really feel compelled to drop her. But then again, SSFIV is just a side game for me. I dont take it very seriously as GG is still my main game and Ive also been playing MvC3 lately so at this point I will just stick with her cuz I sorta just dont care heh
Finally! The Framedata is changed again;
U2 is now 1+3!
It is? It still shows up as 0+7 for me.
Ah damn it ><
I saw the super frames. i thought U2 is a 5 frame ultra in super. I was confused ;;
When U2 - 7 Frames startup; why is the BThrow Slide MP Soul Throw setup still possible?
Nothing but negativity from mr arturo sanchez but I wouldn’t expect anything less from the daigo bashing cry baby. You never mained rose anyway so I don’t consider you a true rose player, just someone who used her to cover up dhalsim’s bad match ups. Personally I hope you quit playing her in AE, one less cynical dickhead playing her in my books, which is good.
Only luffy wins my respect on this board. He’s the only one who stuck with her throughout and never cried about her weaknesses or nerfs. He bodied mago aswell, something arturo would never do. Thumbs up to luffy, shame the rest of the rose using community ain’t got anything better to do but cry.
I hear the media machine that is gooteks is quitting rose too, this is awesome. The U2 wake up scrub club is departing and rose is being left for the real rose players, thats what I call a result. So many dickheads playing rose, everyone please go play yun or something and take your tears with you.
Damnnnn people going hella in.
If Arturo decides to drop Rose, that’s completely his respected decision. You don’t need to bash him, and the rest of the Rose community outside Luffy. He has definitely shown the potential of her, and how viable of a character she is/was in Super. Sure there were arguments over her U2 nerf, but that’s pretty much long and gone now. Please don’t bring this up again. I don’t see why you are bashing everyone else who is using Rose, because there’s going to be people here that will still use her in AE. The ignorance has to stop.
i heard her ST was buffed in range, does this make it more viable in matchups or wakeup options? and is it more viable to gain meter with it by wiffing it full screen?
also what done is done reguarding the nerfs on rose, if u drop her its understandable and if u r not more power to u lets prove ppl wrong and show that rose has a future in ae