you will know alot of players want to which to Yun or Yang if cammy doesn’t have low dive kick anymore.
Um, Yun/Yang don’t have a low dive kick whereas Rufus does… Thus you make no sense. Also, neither character has a “low c.strike” either so the comparison is even more non-existent.
I understand if you want to leave Cammy because Capcom took away some moves, but people are comparing Cammy to Yun/Yang, which doesn’t make sense.
crap… they comfirmed a blow to my testicles… gotta really hit the books when the revision hits now… dammit that sucks
and they made Cspike easier to punish… even on HIT?!? is that what they said?.. that’s ridiculous… most characetrs can just dash in and sweep after blocking a Cspike… god it just gets worse
but hey… i’m pretty happy about the buffs to her normals… especially the frame adv. added to cl.HP and her jabs… but still REALLY?!? just cuz sako rapes folks with no lube we get the shaft?.. not cool
I think T. Hawk has problems punishing cannon spike currently unless it’s done at minimum range. Same thing (matchup normalizing) happened to Boxer Headbutt/Blanka Ball/Ken LP SRK supposedly.
LOL???
jesus christ its already more than easy to punish a blocked Cspike, u can do EVERYTHING on block, wtf is this nerf for? just kill cammy and gg
honestly, the cspike nerf doesn’t mean anything to me. all it means is that characters like ken with slow walk speeds can punish as well as characters like akuma with good walk speed IE. with a full combo. they said nothing about increasing the number of recovery frames…
as for the strike change… it depends on where they have the height restriction, but they better add hit/block stun to it no matter how they slice it, or the better normals don’t mean shit.
This isn’t even a nerf; it’s an attempt to make a stupid game slightly less stupid. If you eat a combo after your blocked spike, you deserve it. No need to get angry over that.
You cant punish cannon spike on hit becuse its knockdown.
Its really great nerf, I am happy that its easier to punish on block. Now majority of cammy players may stop mashing DP everytime they are in a blockstring. Its a DP ffs! If you mash, and miss, you deserve a hard punish. Exemple right now, most people can only punish with a sweep, karauppercut(sagat), but in AE, its possible to to punish better, do more damage.
When it comes to nerf her TK motion on dive kick, I dont know. Its kinda cheap. Sure rufus can do low dive kicks but he have to do a frame link to complete his combo(otherwise its useless), but with cammy its not a 1 frame link, its rather easy.
Are they even changing the console versions any time soon? Or at all for that matter? I think they will want to cash in on the arcade version for some time before they even change the console version. We can play Cammy as is for some time.
You can dash up into a full combo or straight ultra blocked/whiffed DP’s. The change is completely pointless and the only thing it does is help people who don’t want to spend the time actually learning the Cammy matchup.
it’s a nerf. against few characters, they can’t punish you that hard. Sometime, it’s good risk to take to get people off you.
SSF4 is about risk and reward. if the reward is greater than the risk, i will take it.
Yeah, everyone can punish blocked Cannon Spike pretty easily. You just have to know how. Go to Training Mode and just practice blocking and Dashing in. Most of the time, people fail to punish it because they just aren’t ready to go after her. But once you are, she can die horrid deaths. I’ve had a T.Hawk player block it and DASH 720 ULTRA me. Made me so sad.
Of course, having it not bounce as far back, making it easier to punish, thinking about it a bit, I’m not sure if it’s a complete nerf or not. The thing about it is… if she bounces JSUT AS HIGH and floats JUST A LONG, than yeah… this is horrid. But if she bounces shorter and lower and quicker, but just lands closer, might not be HORRIBLE. I mean, right now, most DPs blocked can be punished by buff stuff, but usually doesn’t get you the “set up” you need. For example, blocking a Jab DP from Ryu gives us a Low Forward into Drill. Easy to punish, but that’s one of the best things we can do.
Against Cammy, however, after blocking a Drill, you can Dash up and really put the hurt on her. You get your close-ranged combo set up. Maybe… now everyone can easily hit her, but will have to settle for a quick sweep or something.
I dunno, I’m trying to make a positive out of a negative, here. 
the change is useless a blocked cannon spike, even a whiffed one leaves every cammy player screwed and it gets worse as the match goes on
if you follow this thread, you will know alot of players want to which to Yun or Yang if cammy doesn’t have low dive kick anymore. this is what i wrote.
alot of people already stated they will try or switch to Yun or Yang if Capcom make the change. I just go by what people think.
I don’t know what doesn’t make sense. People don’t like rufus that’s why they play Cammy. and Yun and Yang are new characters.
I don’t think people ever compare their dive kicks in this thread. maybe you read it other forums or other threads.
All im saying bro is don’t judge it till you’ve gotten your hands on it, if i recall properly, guile players went up in arms when the buff list for super came out, they were so pissed one of the tags for the guile super thread was “shades hide tears”. The game comes out and people are bitching that guile is too over powered. We are not 100 percent sure how exactly her tk strike got nerfed so we can’t come to any conclusion, negative or positive until at the very least we see some video footage of how the nerf plays out. Also remember that everyone is getting tweaks so maybe the old cammy would have actually been over powered in the arcade edition of super, I mean she was pretty much just out of top 5 range in super a few nerfs to any one above her and she would have been bordering on broken.
A lot of thought goes into these balance processes, and no offense but it is very rude of you to just come out and insult capcom(yes referring to them as square enix is very insulting) like that simply because you think your character might end up bottom tier, particularly since they put so much effort into listening and supporting their community. Sorry if I offend you in anyway with some parts of this post im just posting my thoughts and didn’t mean to offend you.
I’m just waiting for more information on the dive kicks… I don’t care if TKCS aren’t possible so long as low strikes are possible when done manually. Hopefully there really isn’t a “height restriction” and they were only referring to TKCS when they said, “regular version of Cammy’s Cannon Strike (Dive Kick) cannot be done as low to the ground as before.”
More frame advantage opens up more combos/frame trap set ups which is a good thing (though I do think her current set of normals are good enough for frame traps).
And to the people who are hoping to switch to Yun/Yang, I think it was already confirmed that neither of the twins can low dive kick like Rufus or [current] Cammy. They actually do have height restrictions. What they can do is control the angle by using different kick buttons. I don’t think I’ve seen a vid where either of those two characters used low dive kicks. Not even the vids of JWong playing Yang at the locktest (and I’m pretty sure you’d see them used often if Yang was being played by Wong, assuming they were possible). So if low dive kicks is what attracted players to Cammy, I doubt the Lee twins would be a viable alternate. The only real option is Rufus =\
For Capcom balancing is a hit or miss…
Yes, for Cammy, Super > Vanilla but OTOH, you have Gen as a perfect counter example of balancing gone wrong…
I hoping with enough discussions and debates, this will make Capcom be more thorough in balancing the characters including Cammy so botched balance tweaks like Gen’s does NOT repeat itself.
given the amount of changes to this version of the game, i dont think it will be released as a (free?) DLC…
fundamental gameplay designs are changing for cammy + new frame data + hit box fixes (will apply to all characters i assume) + new characters = new game altogether.
maybe they will release the AE first, then develop some more (adding more characters to make it worth $$$$$) and later have a definitive port to consoles.
yes, im in denial! :china:
It’s Capcom ($$$$$$$$) after all.
u already eat EVERYTHING possible by a blocked cannon spike, this nerf wasnt needed. now even every fuking noob with no clue about this game can punish u
u mean Crapcom?
and now everyone can punish a whiffed/blocked boxer headbutt, and now everyone can punished a blocked blanka ball, see the partern? Lets hope Honda doesn’t escape this.