the tiers as it is are stagnant and it would be nice to see some form of new sources but I’ll rague this more when I have more time…my only song I can think of right now is this
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That’s how the song ends?! Jesus, I didn’t realize there was classical emo.
In any case, until proven otherwise, I’m going to contend that music doesn’t have any power in a vacuum. And Batman can easily create one, and owns a space suit.
…seriously.
So this is where it all comes from…
It lives through explosions, as a being invoked when you want everything to die horribly. It’s a metaphysical concept, like God, or Mentos. If you want to be pedantic, it has an infinitely propagated form in sheet music, text files, CDs, anything that has the song or the notes to said song.
It goes dormant at the end of the song, but does not die. Music of that power, as its continued existence in this world shows, can not die.
If the thing it is facing has a concept of sound or hearing, O Fortuna is so prolific that the slightest hint to its existence will trigger the song in the being’s head. Music is the universal tongue; if one is able to hear, one can and will hear it.
Well you can’t compare a theme of epic inspiration that resonates with a significant number of voting S.H.I.T. members who were alive during its cultural zenith in sports with a theme that signals utter despair for those who hear it. The NBA on NBC theme doesn’t put the listener in a state of fear and depression. It all hinges on if Batman is indifferent to the music being played in his presence. I think Bruce would get annoyed with O fortuna and create a vacuum to shut it up. But as a peak athlete and sports fan Bruce would not have any ill thoughts towards the NBA on NBC theme.
Imagine Bruce at home and hears the NBA on NBC theme on the TV in the other room.
Hears theme playing
"Alfred, make me some popcorn, it’s time for the NBA on NBC."
“Yes master Bruce.”
Now imagine him hearing O fortuna. The reaction wouldn’t be the same. It’s not like Batman needs to hear O fortuna to get hyped up to go out and fight crime, he already has his own theme music. And hearing O fortuna as someone is attacking him wouldn’t bother him in the least.
Ok then Muff, so how does NBA on NBC defeat Batman? Right now the best I can see it doing is maybe getting stuck in his head so he’s humming it for a few days? Come on, how does it defeat Batman? And by defeat, I mean kill or incapacitate.
…seriously.
You never really answered the question about Batman being indifferent to the given thing or what happens if Batman simply didn’t care to eliminate it. A fight between the two doesn’t need to happen and your statement about assuming a fight is happening was pretty vague, especially when you consider Batman versus Mentos.
It’s the same with Mentos, which according to Ender is on the tier list simply because the theme’s lyrics inspire MacBauer. Quote: “It basically inspires you to do whatever you need to do to come out on top in any situation. See the numerous commercials as evidence.” The NBA on NBC theme evokes the same feelings, minus the words. Appreciating the NBA on NBC theme for its epicness requires you to have a soul; to be a man; to appreciate the majestic display of mastery and talent embodied in Prime Michael Jordan.
Apply the same Batman battle to Mentos. Why would Batman fight Mentos? How would Mentos, which only encourages people to accomplish their goals, beat Batman? Encourage him to kill himself? That’s not encouragement. Has Mentos ever encouraged anyone to do anything that wasn’t geared towards their own self-interest? I don’t think so. Sure, Mentos made people do brazen acts, but it was only for the goal of getting them what they wanted. Mentos has never encouraged anyone to do anything that resulted in their death. So how does it beat Batman? It doesn’t need to fight Batman and Batman doesn’t need to fight it. Same applies to NBA on NBC theme.
The lyrics aren’t what cause the inspiration, they just describe Mentos’ powers and abilities. The candy is what allows normal people to tap into the power of Mentos. Abnormal people (like MacGuyver and Bauer) are permanently connected/can connect at will to The Essence.
As far as fighting goes, Batman couldn’t fight Mentos any more than Satan could fight the Holy Spirit. It’s not a being in the traditional sense, it’s an all-encompassing power.
The same way that the most powerful figure in the Star Wars universe isn’t Luke or Darth Vader, but the Force. You can’t fight the Force, but you can be cut off from it.
That’s how Batman loses to Mentos. He’d never be able to win a fight again unless Mentos granted him the ability to overcome.
And NBA on NBC is not a power, all-encompassing or otherwise. Unless you think Batman would be overcome by nostalgia (which is the most ridiculous thing I can imagine), I don’t see how it does anything but makes you want to watch basketball.
This is nonsense. The ability to overcome in a battle against a given villain? You’re saying that without access to the motivating force of Mentos, Batman is rendered powerless? Come on. Batman has been sprayed by Scarecrow’s Fear Gas and been paralyzed by fear to the point where he was hallucinating and afraid to move. He overcame the fear by sheer force of will and proceeded to kick ass. The elemental ability to overcome is already within Batman. Batman has his own internal Mentos Force as proven by him beating Fear Gas time and time again. Your argument about Mentos beating Batman is horrible.
I am indeed saying that without access to Mentos, Batman would lose. Mentos is recognized as the driving force of victory in the MacBauer universe. It gives MacGuyver his power of invention, it gives Bauer his power (that rhymes) of chaos, and it gives Batman his power of preparation.
This “sheer force of will” you mention is what the effect of Mentos might appear to be to the uninitiated. But Mentos smiled upon Batman and granted him the ability to overcome fear gas.
Whether you accept it or not, I’ve made these arguments repeatedly, convinced the unbelievers, and got Mentos to its rightful place in God Tier.
i was an original S.H.I.T member when it was a rival faction to a group of posters with a hilariously humourless view on what constitutes top tier. how you quickly forget your british pal!
Sorry Mullah! Will update list. It’s been so long.
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Sure I answered it. I said “there isn’t an allowance” aka “it isn’t allowed”. Batman is forced to fight, whether he likes it or not, presumably for the entertainment of MacBauer.
…seriously.
EDIT: To further clarify, the top tier list is a list of “who could beat preptime Batman in a fight”. These fights don’t. actually happen, or else Batman would be dead.
You can’t say that NBA on NBC belongs on the list of entities “that can beat preprime Batman in a fight” because Batman wouldn’t fight it. That doesn’t make a lick of sense. We’re not discussing motivation, we’re discussing capability.
About NBA on NBC: Does that make John Tesh top tier for having created it, or does his answering machine become the the holy grail of power like the infinite gaunlet for holding the essense of the melody?
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I remember Droopy being nominated a while ago for similar reasons to Mr. Magoo, so I am not sure how Mr. Magoo would get in if Droopy can’t, either.
I guess Prep-Time Batman can only hurt the NBA on NBC theme song by traveling back in time to kill John Tesh before he created it. He can’t attack the song itself and the theme cannot attack Batman. It’s a draw unless Batman travels back in time to kill John Tesh, who isn’t really his opponent.
The key thing is whether the Universe only helps Magoo defensively, or offensively as well. If it’s only defensive than the best Magoo can ever do is a stalemate, as he’s never attacking his opponent.
The other thing is whether Batman can prep himself against Magoo’s Universe-warping powers.
No, it’s not a draw, because the song still has no way of doing anything. It’s not alive, it has no offense, and it’s defeated by a vacuum, earplugs, or even an ipod.
…seriously.
EDIT: And the universe does [media=youtube]RdEP29QIv2M[/media]. (Check out when he makes an acrobat fall [to his assumed death], smashes a giant fucking lion in the goddamn face, rapes a doctor’s eardrums and then proceeds to shoot the shit out of the whole office, and finishes off with detonating a grenade. Then some asshole who is chasing him gets the fuck accident-see-sawed out of him and winds up with a concussion lying in a vat of cement.)
Also, the reason that Droopy was ultimately disqualified is that he has only appeared in cartoons (which lose to Dip) and CGI (which loses to CTRL + ALT + DEL)
…seriously.
None of the above, because it’s just a song, he’s just a composer, and neither of them belong on the list.
Can we squash this NBA on NBC thing yet? It doesn’t make any sense.
Droopy was a great nomination, and would have been accepted if not for his weakness to Dip. Mr. Magoo has a live-action version, and no weakness to Dip.
EDIT: GODDAMN IT, QUICHE.
The universe can help Mr. Magoo unless the Geico commercial guy decides it is otherwise. [media=youtube]jrMfDaLlNkA[/media]
Really, with his powers all he has to say is “Can Geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance? Does the universe want to Kill Mr. Magoo once in a while.” And bam, Mr. Magoo is over with.
The way I see it, Magoo is the universal opposite of prep-time. In fact, I believe that Magoo is the most perfect form of the Bauer side of MacBauer that is possible. Possibly moreso than Jack Bauer himself.
See, while Bauer is able to run into any plan and destroy any prep that has been made using nothing more than his bare hands and a lot of yelling, Magoo is able to run into any plan and evade any prep while dishing out massive damage without even being aware of it. This is important. While Bauer might still do some on the spot prepping (such as seeing a fist coming his way and then ducking), Magoo is so anti-prep that he does not do a single thing in preparation of what is going on. This complete ignorance makes him utterly invincible, as he relies on his universe-warping field to manipulate the situation for him. Thus, while Bauer operates with some foreknowledge of what is likely to happen in the next few seconds, Magoo operates in sheer blindness, with no preparation for anything. The pure embodiment of Bauerness/Chaosity.
…seriously.
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Hardly. Geico insurance guy, at best, is good at making accurate observations, but he only states things that were true before he said them, which means that he is not controlling them at all. Elmer Fudd had problems with the letter R before Geico man, Charlie Daniels played a mean fiddle before Geico man, and besides, it’s getting to the point where after the “Mayhem, like me” debate is ended, we should really forbid any more commercial mascots the same way we forbid any more comics/anime character. The tiers are starting to get full of them (The King, Rollback Guy, Nutri-Grain Bar Guy)