SRK Tier Discussion OS XII

General Discussion
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I really don’t think it works like that. Please provide some evidence of him actually healing. The all-versions rule doesn’t really apply here like it does in Battle Poll. You have to actually show canon evidence of your character doing something before you can claim he does it. There is absolutely no evidence of him healing up by being told he is loved. And if there is, you haven’t presented it.

Also, I never said he couldn’t use his castle or mirror or ring. I said he couldn’t use his invisible servants. and your argument that

doesn’t even make sense. Who cares who the servants do battle with? They’re not allowed for the purposes of tiering. Gaston gets as many assist as he wants because he’s not being considered for tiering. You need to be able to take on a fucking army to be top tier. If Beast can’t take on a closet gay Frenchman and some pitchfork wielding townsfolk by his own damn self, then he doesn’t belong anywhere near top tier. The fact that he needs the invisible servants in order to not get killed by some hicks holding the advanced weaponry of ninteenth century farm tools is pathetic.

I will grant that Beast has better prep-time facilities than Batman. But that really doesn’t matter. It’s not the batcave that makes batman’s prep so great. It’s his mind. Batman can solve any problem given enought ime to prepare for it, because he can think up every possibility and account for it. beast has shown no such intelligence on any level, and therefore his prep, even with a bunch of magic shit, is pretty worthless in comparison.

Evidence or gtfo. Also, why are you doing RockBogart’s bitchwork for him?

…seriously.

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The 7-11 Big Gulp Cup…

So far it has the ability of time travel, teleportation, and the ability to quench thirst. Broken?

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And apparently has sentience…

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And the power of mind control…
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Top tier at best though…

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Quiche touched on everything I wanted to address, and did a bang-up job of it, too (just like he did on the greatest avatar ever created, see far left).

The thing I want to emphasize most is that Beast absolutely fails at antipussy.

Not only does he have to get the chick to love him, he has to love her, too? He can use whatever underhanded means he wants to get the girl to love him (although I still think he’s a hairy rapist), but the fact that he has to love her is what causes his hideous fail.

Also:

“Belle begins to feel guilty about breaking her promise to the Beast and uses the mirror to see him back at the castle. She is horrified to discover that the Beast is lying half-dead of heartbreak near the rose bushes her father had stolen from and she immediately uses the ring to return to Beast.”

No antipussy, just a regular pussy.

Sorry Muff, Beast is just a big, gay werewolf with talking clocks and candlesticks, a voyeur mirror, and a healing power that he can only use once (at which point he loses all his power and becomes a nonissue).

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Are you kidding me? I provided all this evidence and the screen caps to go along with it the year I won Battle Poll. Do I really need to link you to that post? Ask anyone who paid attention to Battle Poll that year. I’ve proven (with evidence) that all injuries to Cursed Beast were completely eliminated once the curse was lifted.

This entire paragraph makes no sense since Beast owned the shit out of Gaston in the 1991 movie. Gaston died, period. Beast got shot by an arrow, and stabbed with a large knife. And he still threw Gaston off the castle. This is what you said earlier, verbatim:

I am simply quoting your words back to you. Gaston lead a whole team of pitch-fork wielding villagers against Beast and lost horribly. So, where did you come up with that claim? Hint: It came straight out of your ass. Beast does not lose to Gaston since Gaston lost to Beast, a fact that directly put your claim in a coffin, with Gaston.

Complete and utter nonsense. See the episode of Batman TAS where he encountered the guy with the suit of invisibility. Batman ended up face down in some wet concrete, knocked the fuck out. Prep Time Batman assumes that Batman has prior knowledge about his opponent and can prepare accordingly. The criteria for top tier is battling Batman to a draw. Batman can never win against the Beast while Beast is in his castle, which he never leaves. Batman gets majorly fucked up by invisible characters regardless of Prep Time.

What isn’t mentioned is what happened to Batman during his first encounter with Mojo. He got his royal ass kicked.

Seriously, do I need to link to the virtual bible I wrote about Beast to prove this to you. I am more than willing to link you to it, but what I’m telling you was conclusively established years ago.

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See? You conveniently forget shit when it suits your argument. I will repeat this again: The Prince was cursed because he refused to let an old woman stay the night in his insanely lavish castle because all she offered him was a rose. The Prince is the definition of cold-blooded. Get it? The Prince was anti-old woman. That is a total lack of sympathy that transcends any level of anti-pussy that you can conjure up. You slamming the door on some hot chick who needs a place to stay is anti-pussy. Slamming the door on an old grandma is on another level entirely.

And again, you simply ignore what I said. I said Disney Beast + Fables Beast was top tier, meaning your statement about him being able to use his healing power once is totally false.

In the next post, if you reply again, I’ll link the evidence that was already presented in BP years ago.

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Officially challenging this as well, since the amalgamation of Macgyver and Jack Bauer, which combines to create the god tier “MacBauer” is not just an example of the all-versions rule from BP, but a completely new category in which two distinctly separate characters are combined into one. How can you combine two separate characters into one and then claim that the all-versions rule of a single character from Battle Poll doesn’t apply to S.H.I.T tiers? I am poking mad holes in your logic here and presenting many inconsistencies in how you reach your conclusions. If MacBauer can exist, Disney + Fables Beast can exist too.

Rebuttal?

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The tripple dog dare for god tier

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Let’s do this.

IIRC that encounter led with the beast getting pretty fucked up too. This isn’t a game of street fighter. Winning with 1 pixel of health is not the same as winning with a full bar. Beast got so fucked up by Gaston that the only thing that could save him was pussy. Whether or not Gaston got fucked up too is irrelevant. The S.H.I.T. doesn’t care if the black dude totally fucks up the bucket of fried chicken. It’s still a weakness.

TAS Batman is NOT the same as Prep-Time Batman. Not even close. I think this is where you’re not understanding how tiering works. I’m not the one who coined the term, but I’ll try my best to lay out for you exactly what Prep-Time Batman means.

Prep-Time Batman is an amalgamation of comic-book batman and Adam West batman, given infinite time to set up preparations before the fight begins. Essentially, given unlimited time to think about it, Batman account for all contingencies, and therefore is almost undefeatable. This is largely due to the way Batman’s mind works and the fact that he can extrapolate all possibilities and make sure that his position is the best. It is further supplemented by the fact that he has unlimited storage capacity in his utility belt and Bat-Anti-Sprays for just about everything in there.

Additionally, I don’t think the Beast can be top tier if he has to stay in his castle all day for it to work. Top tier means top tier everywhere in the universe, not just in your apartment.

That part wasn’t addressed to you, Muff. It was to Valaris. Go look again.

So he has antipussy for ugly old grannies? So does Bill Clinton. Let me know when beast refuses someone even remotely attractive.

The thing is, even if we accepted your healing powers and anti-pussy (which I don’t), that still puts Beast around Wolverine-tier. He’s not that smart, he doesn’t have any powers besides healing/strength. His fighting ability is roughly comparable to that of a bear. His invisible servants can’t help him because that’s an assist, and he has a magic teleport ring that’s only good for taking girls back to his place, a mirror that’s pretty much just magic skype, and a bunch of furniture that he can talk to. How the fuck is he going to defeat Prep-time Batman?

…seriously.

EDIT: I’m not even going to delve into explain MacBauer because the concept is so amazingly powerful that my mind has a hard time containing it, but just know that you are treading on absolutely sacred ground.

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Goddamn it, Quiche, if you keep saying everything before I can reply, I’m going home :arazz:

I think you’re ignoring shit to fit your argument, dude. Cold-blooded is not the same as antipussy. Turning down dry old lady pussy doesn’t take any effort at all.

If she had offered him some head instead of just a rose, we might be reading a very different fairy tale. He would have had that old woman take her teeth out and put her on the first train to Sucktown.

Even if he didn’t, the fact remains that she was a crusty old lady, and that barely qualifies as pussy. I doubt he’d be slamming the door on a hot young piece of ass.

Having never read or heard about Fables, I assumed you were talking about the original fairy tales that inspired the story.

I looked around a bit, and on DC’s wiki, he’s listed as having the powers of transformation and immortality. While impressive, I don’t see how that makes him top tier.

Even if he could regenerate any wound PT Bats inflicted on him, that wouldn’t prevent Batman from locking him in a chained safe and dropping him to the bottom of the Pacific. He can spend the rest of his immortal life “unda da sea” with Sebastian and Flounder, or Nemo, or whatever.

But if you have the evidence why Fables Beast pushes him into the top tier, I’d love to hear it.

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I agree with those points. Being cold-blooded doesn’t always mean bad ass, more like just being a jackass. There are also other versions of the tale that will push him down the tier lists even further. Apparently… he was cursed… by a FAIRY. Not some witch, but a fucking FAIRY. Quote from the literature of Jeanne-Marie LePrince de Beaumont:

“You see him at your feet, said the prince. A wicked fairy had condemned me to remain under that shape until a beautiful virgin should consent to marry me. The fairy likewise enjoined me to conceal my understanding. There was only you in the world generous enough to be won by the goodness of my temper, and in offering you my crown I can’t discharge the obligations I have to you.”

So yes he fails… to this: [media=youtube]M1B7dGlmres[/media]

So apparently loses to fairies that have their way with him, throwing whatever curse they want and needs to get his powers and “rage” controlled by virgins. How is that top tier again?

Also I am fine with calling Allstate Mayhem Guy as simply “Mayhem”. He prefers to be called that anyways.

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As much as I’d like to see Allstate Mayhem Guy take his rightful (and hilarious) place among Rollback Guy and Nutri-Grain Bar Guy, I guess it is kinda overkill.

I do think he should go on the list as “Allstate Mayhem” for clarification purposes.

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Ender and Quiche: both of you are stupid because you persist in trying to conjure up reasons for why lack of sympathy for the elderly is somehow less than a demonstrated fortitude geared towards anti-pussy. Let’s get one thing straight: Our country erects nursing homes to house and shelter the elderly in our society. The only structures we have dedicated to the exclusive use and worship of pussy are whore houses in Nevada. The Beast, according to cannon, would not even extend such a gratuity to a hottie in disguise. Furthermore, there is no prison that can hold Disney Beast as demonstrated by his ability to simply walk through space in Kingdom Hearts. If susceptibility to spells and magic disqualifies a character from the top tier then 98% of every entry loses to Dr. Strange. Note the lack of Dr. Strange on the tier list. The answer is simple: Dr. Strange beats Batman easily and negates your own silly rule about battling Bats to a draw.

I killed your Dip rule. Then you say Beast loses to Gaston. I shut that down conclusively. Then you say Beast loses to pussy, which I shut down by proving that Beat totally subverts the childish anti-pussy clause of the tiers criteria. Then you say that Beast is weak to magic, which I killed by saying that Beast’s power derives from his magical curse, and further, that not even Prep Time Bats can overcome magic, hence why Dr. Strange is strangely missing from the tier list.

Your arguments are shit, mine are solid. I submit my pick of Disney + Fables Beast to the S.H.I.T. council for top tier consideration regardless of what you assholes have to say.

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I ain’t doing his bitchwork, we were talking about it and I got to posting before him.
I’ll try to post some evidence later this week, I need go through season 1 again to drum it up.
All I remember off the top of my head is:
Is the most lethal assassin in the world
Meditates harder and longer than tibetan monks
has bitches falling for him
once ran through a mine field to get away from an enemy army

More later.

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Old ladies and sex are different things. The fact that you keep insisting that turning down Mother Theresa somehow means that he can resist “pussy” makes me want to keep you away from my grandmother.

I guess while I’m explaining the rules to you, I can also explain the concept of anti-pussy. The reason that anti-pussy is a requirement is not some childish macho thing. It’s because if the character is easily manipulated by sex, or even worse, in love (which we all know and you’ve said countless times that the Beast is,) then they are very easy to compromise by attacking their lover. In the same way that loving Mary Jane makes Spiderman’s life worse, because he also has to protect the bitch, Belle is a major weakness for Beast. If Batman kidnaps Belle, which really isn’t that hard to do since she likes to go horseriding through dark forests alone at night, you think that Beast is going to stay holed up in his castle with all his traps and wait for Batman? Hardly. Bats can lure him into any trap he chooses to set up. This is a major weakness.

No you didn’t. You found a loophole in it which has been used many times before. The rule still stands.

No you didn’t. You showed that beast killed Gaston, but since Gaston killed him too, that’s pretty much a draw.

No. You showed that you don’t understand what anti-pussy is, confused it with Non-give-a-shittance (which is also a criteria for top tier, but an entirely different one, and tried to convince us that turning down helping one of the Golden Girls to cross the street is the same as turning down a roll in the hay with a Disney Princess (P.S.: not only does he tap that, but I’m pretty sure he dies a weepy death of loneliness if she ever leaves him.)

I don’t recall saying Beast was weak to magic. Also, Prep-Time Batman has a can of Bat-Anti-Magic-Spray in his utility belt.

Fine. I say we take a vote. I’ve counted 5 S.H.I.T. members in this thread so far.

Let me look at the evidence

PROS:
Decent non-give-a-shittance. Attitude toward the elderly is admirable.
Immortality

CONS
In love with Belle, which can be exploited
Was seriously fucked up by a group of french people with sharp sticks.
Was owned by a Fairy, which isn’t bad because of the “magic” aspect, but because that’s just kinda gay.
Whether or not the curse gives him his power, he spends most of his time being mopey and emo about it until he is saved by the power of love.
No real offensive power. In a fight, he’s basically a bear. I don’t see this being much of a threat. Even if he can survive Batman’s attacks, I don’t see any way he could actually beat PT Bats.
French

I vote NO on Beast, and urge the other S.H.I.T. members to do the same.

…seriously.

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Beast is garbage tier unless you are talking Hank Mcoy. That nigga will literally die from being love sick, no way he can go toe to toe with Batman.

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if the panel even hesitates on REJECTING (lol) such a f4ggoty character as Disney Beast into the top tier then it undermines the legitimacy of the established rankings.

Weak to magic
Defeated by mere men
Required an assist from PUSSY to survive
Free for preptime batman with dip
If you’re looking to dodge the dip rule by using the tv series version then he’s shit tier and can’t do even the meagre achievements of the disney cartoon version

Beast is a joke.

=D

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Hahahahaah I randomly decide to check on SRK general discussion and I see a new tier thread. How awesome is that.

As the lead campaigner for KAM way back in the day im glad to see that he at least gets an honorable mention in the first post with the tier list. We fought hard for the Kool Aid Man. but Batman was too fucking much. I think at that point it was decided that Bats was pretty much the litmus test on deciding who gets to be top tier.

Its good to see that popeye and NBG are still on there as well. I remember being a big supporter of givequicheachance and rocking a popeye avatar for a while. Man good times. So many laughs, and epic battles.

Much <3 to all the fellow members of S.H.I.T. I know you guys will keep these threads in check.

…later

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Yeah, I remember nominating a bunch of stupid shit to the tier leagues like Ultimate Rogue which at one point was able to yield almost every Marvel mutant power at one point. Then got shot down because of her weakness for wanting love and psychic attacks. FML.

But yeah… Beast might get away in Battle poll with whatever shenanigans can happen there but SRK Tier listing is a… puts on sunglasses[media=youtube]6YMPAH67f4o[/media]

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Try to read the words quiche. Beast has anti-pussy and a total lack of empathy for the elderly at the same time. The old woman revealed herself to be a hot enchantress. For you to suggest that the Prince would have let her in had she not appeared as an old woman is speculation which you can’t prove, just like you all assume that Batman can prepare for anything.

Again, you are not reading the words. The Beast’s curse completely destroys the category of anti-pussy. You say that having a lover compromises the character because Batman will simply attack or kidnap the vagina/loved one, however, since you ignored what I said before I’ll repeat it: Beast’s curse gave him many items, including the magic mirror (quasi-Omnipresence), and a ring that allows for instant teleportation:

Get it? Batman cannot kidnap Belle. Belle can teleport back to the castle with three twists of a damn magic ring. Being able to kidnap a loved one/vagina might be a weakness when applied to most women, but not Belle. The idea of kidnapping someone who can teleport to a specific location at will is absurd. Further, Batman can’t even get close to Belle, because the Beast can see everything she does. The mirror gives him a power that Batman has to rely on cameras for: the ability so see anywhere at any time.

There are two versions of Prep Time Batman: Prep Time Batman on defense in which he has time to perfectly prepare for an incoming attack, and Prep Time Batman on offense in which he has time to prepare for a perfect assault. Since Beast is a rich recluse, this puts Prep Time Batman on offense against an opponent who lives in an impregnable fortress, can see everything around it, has invisible servants guarding it, and has a woman who can teleport. Batman can’t win that battle.

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Stop being stupid quiche. One DIED, the other lived happily ever after. How is that a “draw”?

http://shoryuken.com/f3/srk-battle-poll-round-2-day-2-day-night-no-rest-into-danger-zone-139498/#post4329044
http://shoryuken.com/f3/srk-battle-poll-round-2-day-2-day-night-no-rest-into-danger-zone-139498/#post4329048
http://shoryuken.com/f3/srk-battle-poll-round-2-day-2-day-night-no-rest-into-danger-zone-139498/#post4329076

Please see the 2nd link to understand how I already proved that Beast owns Gaston for free. See the 2nd pic of the first post where Beats holds Gaston over the edge of his castle by his neck, with one arm.

You specialize in being wrong. I said that lack of empathy for the elderly (which is included in the category of Non-give-a-shittance) completely Transcends anti-pussy. I didn’t confuse it, I said that one made the other irrelevant. How you geniuses even divided Non-give-a-shittance and anti-pussy into two distinct categories in the first place doesn’t even make sense.

See the 2nd link I posted above. Nothing beats Disney magic. Nothing. There is no anti-Disney magic Spray that Batman can create to stop Cursed Beast from turning back into the Prince when the curse is lifted. See how those injuries disappeared? That is the law of Disney magic at work. The enchantress is obligated to leave the Prince in the physical form in which she found him prior to cursing him, meaning that whatever shape Cursed Beast was in prior to the curse being lifted, he goes back to the way he was the day he was cursed, aka, perfectly healthy. Not even Batman can subvert this.

All your cons are flawed and have been nullified by solid evidence though. Disney + Fables Beast (DF Beast) is top tier at minimum.

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I really like Viscant’s nomination of Mr. Magoo. That’s a broken ability if I ever heard it. He doesn’t even need to be immune to DIP because the universe would always prevent him from getting hit with it.

ALTHOUGH there are situations where Magoo runs into things…but those only result in minor injury. The universe ALWAYS prevents him from being seriously injured.