SRK MAFIA XVII - ATTACK ON TITAN:End of Day 8 - The Grim Reminder (Civilians lose!)

[The_Co-Jones]

So ideally, we want to lynch a dormant or a mafia…

It’s kinda hard to decide on who to vote for the lynch.

[Combo_Knight]

Lynch lord willian

You could at least spell my name right.

And use proper capitalization.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/JwedBez.png

Stay outta mafia games you jerk!

:mad:

[Blindknagg]

Sorry school started today so just came home.

Mafia seems to be on point with their role hunts this game and/or they’re better at readng the subtle hints than we are.

Would be nice if some of the more silent players cough @RECESSIONTIME‌ cough could give some input on what’s happened this far and thoughts on who they’re going to lynch the next time they drop by.

[Akhos]

Stay outta mafia games you jerk!

:mad:

I’ll be more than happy to once this one is finished.

[jasonC]

Why does Sweden give exams prior to school starting? What’s the point? Just curious…I’ve been watching “Welcome to Sweden” and think it’s hilarious.

[Blindknagg]

I were unable to take the exam the first time it was held so that was a re-exam which are held at the end of the summer/winter breaks. Otherwise they’re held during the school periods.

[RadicalFuzz]

I still don’t see why you’re expecting me to actually be able to do anything when I said well before we started that I can’t play these kind of games. Yet you insisted on me playing anyway.

Whatever. Might as well go for baseless accusations now.

Lynch Bious.

Have you read the thread? If yes, does anything stand out to you, no matter what it is?

Think of it like Clue. We know somebody (Mafia) murdered the victim (Forge) but we don’t know all the details. What was the weapon, what reason did they do it for, what does them killing her over Augustus mean? It’s okay if you only think you have one part of the “solution”. Extending the metaphor, maybe you saw Professor Plum glancing towards the room where the victim was found before that was public information. Ideally we have about sixteen people all getting different takes on the same information and drawing different conclusions from them. If you have sixteen people analyzing someone to see if they’re lying you’re going to get more accurate results than if you only have one.

[RadicalFuzz]

So ideally, we want to lynch a dormant or a mafia…

It’s kinda hard to decide on who to vote for the lynch.

Well gee, I was looking to lynch our other roles, I never thought of lynching Mafia.

Any original thought up there or are you just content with stating the obvious?

[Akhos]

Have you read the thread? If yes, does anything stand out to you, no matter what it is?

I’ve been following the thread, but nothing’s been standing out to me. I don’t get what’s supposed to be suspicious and what isn’t. I don’t know what one person is saying is supposed to reveal about them if anything.

None of this makes any sense to me.

Think of it like Clue.

Never played it.

[Cyntalan]

Think of it like Clue.

Never played it.

Home

[Hecatom]

ForgeDigger LG

LG’s have always been my least favorite part of mafia, but here goes.

From my observations, I want to say either PW or Synonym is mafia. I doubt they both are, but it could be possible. Both of them are acting really wonky, and imo Syn is giving far too much credit to the general masses for being able to read my RC that wasn’t legitimately an RC. I know it doesn’t seem like it, but it seriously just bugged me how wrong Hanji was spelled. Then the one person I knew would share my opinion goes and spells it inocorrectly. I wasn’t telegraphing on purpose, and even if I wasn’t Hanji I still would’ve posted my annoyance.

Another reason why those 2 are my main suspects is because of how well the mafia is doing. But if that’s the case you may as well throw Chief up there too.

I’d advocate lynching PW over Syn, just purely because of how bullshit his reactions are. Day 1 he tried getting on Fuzz’s good side immeadiately, night 1 he congratulates the mafia for their good read, day 2 he snaps at me for doing something to help the civilian cause (posting the timeline and missing a few votes because he and a few others improperly formatted their targets), and just after night 2 (when I died) he posts how he still would’ve lynched me. It’s extremely obvious that PW knew something was off about me. And his comment after I died assumes that he wasn’t feigning suspicion of me to protect me from a night kill.

There’s also Skizzz, who posted me as a suspect day 1 (at least enough to put in a vote for me that very clearly wasn’t going to gain traction). I’m not sure what to think about him really.

DG’s also been flying under the radar. I suspected him at one point, but the suspicion was drowned out but other things in the thread (namely OZ). I suspect either CK or DG snuck on the BK train at the last minute to sake someone. Look into those 2 (although they aren’t really giving you much to work with).

I think that at least one mafia is hidden among those who don’t show their votes in thread (refer to my/Skizzz’s vote timeline for the previous 2 days compared to the vote tally). Going off that logic, I implore someone to take up that job. It may not seem all that helpful, but any resource we can get our hands on could tip the scales in our favor.

I’m not extremely good at reading people, so that’s pretty much all I’ve got. I’ve had to resort to other things in an attempt to keep the civs on track.

CK is no longer off the table for lynches. (He was for me because I had originally thought he was the human lover, but now I see the situation has changed.)

Investigations:

Spoiler

Oh yeah. Can you put this in there for me?
Night 1: TCJ is not dirty
Night 2: Alpha is not dirty

Keep in mind that just because they aren’t dirty doesn’t mean they arent dormant

Also, for whatever reason, I wasn’t able to change night actions once they were submitted. Which wouldn’t really seem strange to me, but I also got my investigation results immeadiately. After asking Hecatom, I’ve discovered mafia have the same restrictions. This means that whoever killed me at night must have been active later in the night phase as opposed to earlier.

Closing thoughts: the quiet players need to speak up. It’s become apparent that those “probable DQ” players are perfectly content with voting without participation. If any of you really are civilians, you’re making a difficult battle even more difficult in more ways that one. Don’t tie up the civs resources. Express your opinion, no matter how stupid it may sound. Stupid opinions>not speaking at all. I’m looking especially at you, D-nice, @RECESSIONTIME, @LordWilliam1234 (who’s also a viable candidate, btw; his voting record has flawless (I think) attendance, yet he doesn’t voice any suspicion in the thread?), @Icege also.

Most of all, good luck, civvys. Don’t make my death for nothing.

P.S. - thanks for granting my last wish, Hecatom. I can rest in peace knowing the name on my tombstone was spelled correctly.

[Akhos]

@LordWilliam1234 (who’s also a viable candidate, btw; his voting record has flawless (I think) attendance, yet he doesn’t voice any suspicion in the thread?)

I know he can’t respond to this, but I don’t voice any suspicions because I don’t have any. Like I said, I can’t read people. And I didn’t want to just throw around baseless accusations, so while my voting record is flawless, I voted no lynch both times.

…and before you go all OBJECTION on me, note that I’m using the past tense for throwing around baseless accusations.

[Cyntalan]

Have you read the thread? If yes, does anything stand out to you, no matter what it is?

I’ve been following the thread, but nothing’s been standing out to me. I don’t get what’s supposed to be suspicious and what isn’t. I don’t know what one person is saying is supposed to reveal about them if anything.

Basically, look at the voting patterns for people. More difficult now with only two votes, but still something to gleam off of.

From there, look at who called their vote when. Did they waffle? Did they bandwagon? Did they drive? Did they vote counter to their claim without reason? Did they just not claim?

Next, look at their suspicions before and after each lynch/kill. Did something change without reason? Did their posting frequency shift? Did they ever suspect a now confirmed mafia or continually suspect only now confirmed civs?

If anything here sets of a twinge of suspicion, go investigate by following their post history in more detail, see if you find anything contradictory or out of place. From there, it’s just a matter of using your own judgement. It’s hardly easy to do right out of the gate, but we do have a few retirees due to how well they start understanding shit (which has caused them to always be either a day 2 lynch or a night 1 kill out of fear).

[Akhos]

From there, look at who called their vote when. Did they waffle? Did they bandwagon? Did they drive? Did they vote counter to their claim without reason? Did they just not claim?

You act like I know what any of this means.

Next, look at their suspicions before and after each lynch/kill. Did something change without reason? Did their posting frequency shift? Did they ever suspect a now confirmed mafia or continually suspect only now confirmed civs?

What is this supposed to prove? It still doesn’t make any sense to me.

[Combo_Knight]

Well, as far as forges last gasp, I voted BK in a reasonable amount of time.

it’s all good.

[RadicalFuzz]

How the fuck is Coco clean?

No offense.

[Cyntalan]

From there, look at who called their vote when. Did they waffle? Did they bandwagon? Did they drive? Did they vote counter to their claim without reason? Did they just not claim?

You act like I know what any of this means.

To waffle would mean to bounce between several people in an indecisive manner. Jumping on a bandwagon would mean just going along with everyone else in the vote. Driving meaning being the one to START a bandwagon. Claiming a vote is what you see a lot of people in here doing, as your vote is done by PM. No one sees it until result time. The claims are done out of courtesy as well as “to keep you honest”.

Next, look at their suspicions before and after each lynch/kill. Did something change without reason? Did their posting frequency shift? Did they ever suspect a now confirmed mafia or continually suspect only now confirmed civs?

What is this supposed to prove? It still doesn’t make any sense to me.

Mafia will tend to try to blend in and go with the flow to avoid being lynched. The thing is, that very behavior in itself is a telltale sign, so they may try to shake things up. Similarly, mafia tend to rarely vote for mafia unless they are a) attempting to set themselves up for a “see! I always suspected him!” thing or a bandwagon on a doomed teammate. Keep in mind mafia can talk with one another via PM, so they will try to do some coordination to keep each other alive as well. Some people here will keep running spreadsheets of info they’ve gleamed to wait for some kind of slip up they can easily read, like watching everyone’s suspect list and see who commonly doesn’t suspect one another. A triangulation of sorts.

[Akhos]

Mafia will tend to try to blend in and go with the flow to avoid being lynched. The thing is, that very behavior in itself is a telltale sign, so they may try to shake things up. Similarly, mafia tend to rarely vote for mafia unless they are a) attempting to set themselves up for a “see! I always suspected him!” thing or a bandwagon on a doomed teammate. Keep in mind mafia can talk with one another via PM, so they will try to do some coordination to keep each other alive as well. Some people here will keep running spreadsheets of info they’ve gleamed to wait for some kind of slip up they can easily read, like watching everyone’s suspect list and see who commonly doesn’t suspect one another. A triangulation of sorts.

But how are you supposed to tell? How can you tell if one is just shaking things up or is actually acting suspicious? What if they just slipped up and aren’t actually Mafia? What if someone is just changing their vote due to a changing of suspicion and there’s nothing there to actually read?

There’s too many variables to consider, too many possibilities, too much uncertainty. I can’t work with this.

[AlphaCommando]

Night 2 Info Dump

Dormant Lover Hunt

orochizoolander Post Collection
[REDACTED, DEEMED UNNECESSARY.]

List of Suspects

Spoiler

02. Blindknagg - Voted orochizoolander.
03. Augustus - Role confirmed.
04. Pimp Willy - Voted orochizoolander.
05. DarkGeneral - Voted orochizoolander.
06. Skizzz - Voted orochizoolander.
07. Combo_Knight
08. Exodus.
10. D’Nyc3 - Voted orochizoolander.
12. jasonC
13. AlphaCommando - Initiator of bandwagon, potentially responsible for lynch.
14. DukeC
16. GodotsRevenge
17. LordWilliam1234
18. Cyntalan
19. RECESSIONTIME
20. Sumazndude
21. The Co-Jones - Voted orochizoolander.
22. Icege
23. Synonym
24. Bious
25. The Chief - Voted orochizoolander.

Voters of orochizoolander eliminated due to likelihood of orochizoolander revealing them in retaliation.

[FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF SUSPECTS HALTED]

Evidence of Sumazndude being Dormant

Spoiler

I guess without a power role this time, I still have to do something because people be watching

Does not specify ‘without a role’, specifies ‘without a power role’.

Off the top of my head, i’d go for DukeC because he sort of threw me under the bus about power roles and he could want me off to assure himself what role I had

Second mention of ‘power roles’. ‘What role I had’ rather than ‘if I had a role’.

I logged in and I saw 93 notifications and i’m sure you know from experience, the phone doesn’t show ALL 93 NOTIFICATIONS. So I assumed 93 new posts

Notifications from PM explains discrepancy with particular scenario.

Something very fishy is going on and I actually want to find out what it is. Lots of defense and retaliation from others

Most solid evidence in collection. Uses word ‘fishy’, similar to orochizoolander’s ‘code’.

Bious FYI I did explain my vote with a little chat with Skizzz. I voted DukeC off of a hunch because I thought he wanted me off because he assumed I had a power role. He could be role hunting?

Further use of ‘power role’, rather than ‘role’.

YOU FUCKING FOOLS

Upon catching up, I kinda suspected OZ was a lover because he started making such a huge fuss about PW and I being lovers and whatnot with counter claims… Did anyone else see that?
What disappoints me is that OZ kinda walked himself into it

More upset on learning of OZ lynch than anyone else in thread.

[quote="orochizoolander;9856301"whoever the dormant lover is be it me or my partner he/I definitely do not want to join the mafia

Why would I/he ? This game seems at face value anyways easier for civilians to win than mafia.[/quote]

Consistent with personal profile of Sumazndude.

-Unable to defend OZ during football match.
-No votes or suspicion put on OZ from SAD.
-Vice versa.

Lynch: Sumazndude

Not locked in.

Will wait for thread consensus on conclusion.

So, these two facts:

-Mafia was online, possibly without posting, at end of night
-Mafia knew Forge’s tendencies, at least with regards to codes

This puts Syn & Alpha higher on my list in particular.

Illogical assumption. Post was made at 4:18am AEST/2:18pm EDT. Anyone active throughout the period 2:18pm-11:00pm EDT had same access to information.

[Cyntalan]

Mafia will tend to try to blend in and go with the flow to avoid being lynched. The thing is, that very behavior in itself is a telltale sign, so they may try to shake things up. Similarly, mafia tend to rarely vote for mafia unless they are a) attempting to set themselves up for a “see! I always suspected him!” thing or a bandwagon on a doomed teammate. Keep in mind mafia can talk with one another via PM, so they will try to do some coordination to keep each other alive as well. Some people here will keep running spreadsheets of info they’ve gleamed to wait for some kind of slip up they can easily read, like watching everyone’s suspect list and see who commonly doesn’t suspect one another. A triangulation of sorts.

But how are you supposed to tell? How can you tell if one is just shaking things up or is actually acting suspicious? What if they just slipped up and aren’t actually Mafia? What if someone is just changing their vote due to a changing of suspicion and there’s nothing there to actually read?

There’s too many variables to consider, too many possibilities, too much uncertainty. I can’t work with this.

That’s where you kinda just throw it out there for everyone else to chew on.