Forger’s role ability reverses the team association in this game, not make a dirty reveal clean like in most other games I’ve played. If he gets forged, then we’re pretty much back to square one as far as ID’ing him goes unless a genuine Vig kills him.
@Manx
Source: The OP.
What are you reading, man? Cmon son.
Just saying we can’t rely on an investigation to tell us anything right now. :tup:
Not completely done reading the last couple pages, but thought I’d touch on this. Hopefully you can see where my mind is at.
Like many of you have mentioned, I’ve role-claimed the vigi in the past. That’s going to obviously cast doubt on my current role-claim. There’s reason to believe that enforcer won’t actually use his role on me tonight in the first place. Hell half the niggas in here don’t believe me anyway. If I’m not enforced then I already have three people on my list as to who I’ll target tonight, and yes I’ll be targeting someone no matter what every time I have a stock to use. I’m not going to sit here on stocks when everybody knows who I am at this point.
Worst case scenario is I get enforced AND assassinated, and Nail fuses with ( protects ) me giving me a lover role while keeping a stock for the next night to use without being enforced.
Also all this can happen without anybody else RC’ing. At first I thought it was AC trying to hunt the Martyr, but the more I thought about it, I figured it would be safer for me to role-claim that way we can all have a chance to use our roles before we die…even if it is Night one when we use them. Better than not using them at all right?
Except what you’re saying is completely wrong.
The way you worded it, forger would actually turn a player into a Ginyu Force member.
Why the fuck would the “real vigi” target me ( assuming I’m not Piccolo ) knowing that nail is protecting me. The only thing that would happen there is that the Nail gets taken out by the person that he could have shared a role with. If Nail gets killed in any way other than mafia, his secondary role is void. I understood the way the roles worked before I came out, so all this to me is just “blahzeh blahzeh.” I’m not saying that Nail shouldn’t protect me tonight…I’m just pointing out how suspect it is asking “the real vigi” to target me tonight. It’s like you guys are REALLY hoping i’m lying and you’re trying to get a stock wasted while confusing the Martyr on what he should do.
Because of this and some stuff the @GodotsRevenge said, I’m going most likely change my vote for one of you two today and go after the other ( or same if you don’t get lynched ) at night.
Also @AlphaCommando I actually thought you were trying to track down the martyr at first, then I realized that Nail would never have to come out to use his role to the max. I read something else you said I while ago that I found kinda suspect, I’ll find it and post it in a sec. There’s some ghetto shit happening at the house right now.
I don’t like 3SL’s claim. Seeing as though you need as many civ roles as possible, even if it’s one that doesn’t seem that big, you still need them down the line. It’s funny how AC backed him up and then pretty much stated obvious reasons for keeping him around. If they were in cahoots together, my guess is they’d want a lesser known player to stick around until the end or as long as possible and a role claim with an excuse to protect him this early in the game seems like a good way to go. Why not call his bluff? Has 3SL ever been a player we need to keep around? There’s no Tupac role this game, so why not kill him now?
I didn’t have a chance to read page 7 of the thread yet, but want to respond to a few questions. Exodus., yes I still am blocked from SRK at work :bluu: However I can view the thread via google translate. I can’t post however. I was stupid tired last night and being lazy, I just skimmed through pages 4-5 and went to sleep. As pietastic said, we set up a google hangout being mafia, and I’m happy I’m not mafia this go round due to the headache I have to go through just to try and be fairly competent to my team. This go round I think it’s a fair assumption most of the mafia has their stuff organized and has a very strong team. I think most of them also posted between pages 1-2 before most of the other civs even had a chance to check in. Missing Person, you can read me fairly well, so I urge you to go ahead and do so. You’re probably the only person who’s openly said how readable I am 
If all else fails, I’m willing to take up the @orochizoolander bet - I’ll personally ask a mod to ban me if I’m mafia.
With that said, and I know it’s probably too late now, but what do you guys feel about ignoring the obvious dead weight people and potentially going for someone who’s playstyle has drastically changed? There’s quite a few of you holding your cards very tight to your chest right now, and there’s a few of you who owhen you’re civ, you let it show right off the bat. I’m referring to you pietastic and Bious. Manx went away and learned something obviously because he’s actually posting content this go round. Sovi3t is largely MIA (not uncommon early on for when he is mafia).
Just read page 7. Exodus. I completely agree on Sovi3t.
That’s what I’m talking about. If I were lying and the “real Piccolo” targets me while Nail protects me. Nail would just to die and not be able to have the lover ability with said “real Piccolo.” This whole thing was your idea, and now you’re trying to get me targeted? I’m going to look for something redeeming for you, but if I don’t find it…I’m either targeting you or godots tonight.
I’m trying to answer questions that I’m catching up to, so bear with me until I’m completely caught up.
Before I went to work today, I was actually trying to catch AC slipping about his suggestion to have the lover role available ASAP. In my mind he was hunting for a role-claim, but not from me. It seemed if anything he was hunting a claim from Nail. As I was getting ready to grill him, it occurred to me that a couple things could happen.
- somehow Goku, Nail, and myself could all RC ( which would have been suicidal btw ) and somehow try to form triforce of protection with the three of us…but enforcer totally kills that route.
- due to AC’s “misunderstanding” of the rules, Nail could RC and I would kill him immediately giving me a lover role that he claimed would be more useful than his protect ability. The problem with this of course is that Nail wouldn’t fuse with me if I killed him, so not only would I be doing Mafia’s job for them by taking out a protect role but I’d be wasting a stock in the process. This is why I was suspicious of him at first, but he said he was just trying to come up with tech blah blah and would retract his suggestion to get nail killed quickly. It seems like even though the rules clearly state that we can’t fuse he’s going back to this basic line of action again, so I’m really confused on what he’s trying to accomplish.
- as I thought more about it, I gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he really did find the lover role more valuable than the protect and I thought of a way to at least try to ensure that we could all get a chance to use our roles before we’re picked off. The only way I could see that happening without putting a protect role in harm’s way would be to claim myself. I’ve already role-claimed vigi before as we all know, so Mafia is already going to be confused on what to do. And Maifa knowing who I am are obliviously going to target me tonight. Nail doesn’t have to RC in order to protect me, and in the process he’ll be able to fuse if I’m assassinated. Basically if Alpha was really trying to help, this was the only way to accomplish what vague hint of a plan he claimed to have. But again, he trying to get me killed already and I’m thinking I may have jumped the gun…sorry if that’s the case lol.
If you are lying and the real Piccolo and Nail target you, Nail doesn’t die. Only you do. I expect a full retraction and an apology.
Oh yeah, I already hinted at RC’ing earlier in the game just in case no one noticed. I’ll proving quotes if needed, I just didn’t plan on doing so quickly during the game. I changed my mind pretty much based on stocks. I’m going to spend it if I got it. That’s just the type of guys I am. That’s the ONLY way to kill a mafia aside from voting, and I don’t plan on sitting on it. Voting is the other reason, I got voted off the second day last game, and I didn’t really want to wait till I got threatened with a lynch to come out and say " oh by the way don’t vote for me cause i’m piccolo"
As far fetched as it was for me to do it this way, I believe it would have been less believable to do it in the face of a possible lynch. Although the more I’m reading through the tread the more trouble I think I’m in.
Catching up on thread now. Don’t worry not long posts 
Apologize for what exactly? This whole thing about nail fusing so early was your idea in the first place fool. The only way to have that happen would be for me to put myself out there. If there was a better way, please share your plan with us on how we were supposed to accomplish that. I’m not the only one who has asked you to do so by the way.
Also, I’ll engage everyone claiming that I’m lying for a moment. Let’s just assume right now that I’m not really Piccolo.
One suggested I might be Nail trying to get killed, MP already pretty much explained why that would be impossible, so no one should even talk about it anymore.
Most are suggested that the real piccolo target me tonight. You gotta ask yourself why they would want that so bad. One reason could be that they really think I’m mafia and want to get a kill tonight. But what kind of Mafia team would really let me do some shit like this DAY ONE knowing that there is a real piccolo out there that might take notice. AC mentioned something like a counter claim, but would a mafia really take a stupid chance like that? maybe, I don’t know. The other reason ( the reason that I’m attributing to the people suggesting it ) is that they know I can’t possibly be mafia and they’re just praying that I’m empty RC’ing again as a civ. If that’s the case, the best thing that they could hope for is this “real Piccolo” waste his stock on me thereby killing two birds with one stone if you will.
I was originally gauging the responses from everyone about the protection vs. the PM communication. Majority said that the protection was more important, so I dropped my plan. If the majority deemed the PM communication as more important, I was going to claim Goku and sacrifice myself in order to get Piccolo and Nail safely in communication while protecting the identities of all the roles. Thank you for making the decision to override the majority of the thread though.
As for why you’re panicking about the ‘real Piccolo’ so much, you shouldn’t have anything to worry about, provided you are the real Piccolo (which I believe you are). Regardless of whether Nail believes you or not, he’ll be protecting you to get into the PM with Piccolo, so don’t worry about anyone else calling bullshit on you.
How am I causing unneeded confusing, by telling you who I am. If anything it gives the other civ roles a pretty clear path to take in their decisions tonight. It’s better than just naming some random and not getting you’re ability off, or worse yet protecting a mafia from a vigi kill or something stupid like that. It would seem that an empty RC would cause more confusion than anything. If I were role-less or Nail or even mafia, that would mean certain death for all three.
Also why is ANYONE even talking about the medic in trying to decide what to do? We have a fucking martyr! He literally only has to target me tonight. Worst case scenario is mafia actually attempts to kill me and I have a lover. The only way Nail’s ability is blocked is if enforcer makes a blind guess and guesses right as to who Nail is. In that case I’m going to take out a Mafia tonight anyway, enforcer can’t block both roles right?
Okay, okay, so, I follow 3SL’s logic. There’s no reason for him to claim as mafia unless we’re dealing with a sacrifice in order to draw out RCs, which, you know, will be unsuccessful, as we don’t need to reveal any roles to dispose of him. It’s very possible for him to be Van Piccolo, because when he did this the last time, he was acting very differently, like he knew he would get killed, whereas this go around, he’s acting like he wants to make sure that he can use the role that he’s claiming to its fullest potential.
How would claiming Goku allow you to safely get Mafia to kill the martyr? Are you claiming Goku now? If you’re Goku, what’s that have to do with Nail getting killed unless you were going to ask him to protect you? Are you RCing Nail? That would be the only way to “sacrifice yourself” but you wouldn’t be protecting anybody so you would just outright die. As much as I’m regretting telling you guys who I am, this shit right here REALLY doesn’t make any sense. Please for the sake of your survival tell us how this plan of your’s was supposed to work, and are you indeed trying to Role-Claim right now?
Responding to what you called “panicking” now seams a bit petty in light of what you just tried to drop on us now but here goes. I wouldn’t call addressing people’s disbelief of my RC “panicking” as much responding to people questions about said RC.
You wouldn’t be trying to get me to change my vote would you? lol, but naw it goes without saying that there some much better choices now…it would’ve been an awesome day one “read” from a one word post tho if you do turn out to be mafia
If you have limited stocks, you should save them until we have a really good idea of who’s mafia. You’ve played enough to see situations where we’d really like to make more than one kill at a time when we have strong reads. Use your power then. Day 1 reads are unreliable for the most part.
I have no idea why people with roles feel the need to use them right away.