SRK Mafia X -- Dangan Ronpa: Fire At Will -- END -- Civilians Win

WTF-AKUMA-HAX · October 7, 2013, 4:42am

Has two major things to answer for.

What made him really change from being calm cool & collected on page 38-39 about Chief from the voting results writeups.
What was his deal on Doof’s last gasp about the Medic.

He had no answer for that, even to the contrary of that idea, and even liked the post.

This can help them if you think I’m running interference but they need to be questioned for such things since they weaseled away from answering at all. While doing The Chief, thing to tag that post and never talk about it.

I knew I was going to regret playing in a game with a bunch of wallflower quiet people
that I have no idea how they play and they never care they line up with letting mafia blend in

making a list of who became a wallflower in this game may not even be too useful due to

everyone having a role. And that dynamic changing on even more self preservation than usual.

Missing_Person · October 7, 2013, 4:46am

Okay, now I suddenly see what Fuzz is doing.

This is quasi reminiscent of the UMVC3 game to me.

I’m sorry for not seeing it sooner, but I’m waking up slower today, as I was being terrorized by a mosquito midway through last night.

RadicalFuzz · October 7, 2013, 4:49am

I mean, you can go ahead and post it, but I’m getting lynched today so it wouldn’t really change anything

RadicalFuzz · October 7, 2013, 4:54am

If we were to assign SHSL talents to the players, I’d probably be the “Super High School Level Martyr”, seems like my deaths are twice as helpful as my contributions. However, this time I get to survive my lynching. It’s kinda nice, actually.

Missing_Person · October 7, 2013, 4:55am

Well, Fuzz, if you are who you say you are, then you know who I’ve pointed fingers at, it’s up to you whether to agree or disagree, but if you’re gonna use your ability, GET A MAFIA with it before joining me on the confirmed civ side.

Pimp_Willy · October 7, 2013, 5:04am

@hax I have no problem with you coming up with theories on how the mafia is tricking us, but I want ones that are actually possible and can be backed up.

Azure knew the paparazzi targeted me. He called out his night 2 kill in advance, and it was correct. The real Vigi could easily kill him if they wanted to, and he was lying. I just don’t see it.

I have no doubts I will die protecting Azure tonight, unless they enforce me and bypass my protection or something which is always possible. That doesn’t mean I can magically create more time in the day to analyze the game. we have until 7pm tomorrow, that gives me an entire work day to actually dissect the game, plenty of time. Especially since todays action is already set on RF, and we don’t need to make another meaningful group decision for 48 hours after that (which I plan to be watching from the sideline, of course).

2 things I think we need to keep a mind on

The mafia did not take either of the medic roles… so let’s get a list of all the roles we currently have unknown, and try to figure out just what the fuck mafia was doing chosing roles – is there any chance they went the random route?
Let’s assume for one minute, that RF and Chief are clean. Look at a list of all the remaining players:

Augustus
Cyntalan
DarkGeneral
ForgeDigger
infrequent lurker
Mobius
pietastic
Synonym
WTF-AKUMA-HAX

Somebody on this list is making these awesome reads on who the medic was, if not more than 1. Who do you think it is?

We have at least 2 mafia in this list people, that’s just the reality of the situation.

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:11am

Cyntalan:

Combo_Knight:

Cyntalan:

Combo_Knight:

Cyntalan:

I’d really like to know where you get oz being civ, Willy. Not that I don’t trust your allegiance, just can’t comprehend your judgement sometimes. Any not-so-direct way you could help me determine the same conclusion you have? I haven’t put in my vote yet, but was just about to and then read your statement…

I REALLY don’t think oz is civ. I’m not sure he’s mafia either, though.

CK definitely climbed up on my books as of late, so I’d be willing to move over my vote to him if you think oz can be iced by the vigi tonight.

Cynth is mafia. Obviously because he lived this long.

Oh, did I rattle a cage?

More like a sarcophagus, how are you still alive in this game anyway?

Though my participation has been rather lax, at least I have purpose while I’m alive as I’m still a warm body keeping our civ ratio high. I’m having my doubts you can claim the same.

So your defense against someone suspecting you of being mafia due to you always voting civ and/or majority is…that your a civ because you said so?..Does this make sense to anyone?

And how would someone claiming to be syo know this as fact? This post you made looks suspicious in retrospect after WAH and you going after each other. I really thought you were confirmed civ early on but now more and more it seems you and WAH are pulling the “2 mafia go at it to look like paranoid mistrusting civs to everyone else”. I’m not accusing you of being mafia only that it’s become a possibility I didn’t bother thinking of before, so my faith in you is a little shaky. Also as long as I’m quoting you earlier in this game you said either hecatom is “pulling us all on” or I’m dirty…so now that I’m confirmed clean what do you have to say about hecatom? Better yet why have you not mentioned hecatom at all since PW confirmed my identity? If you really believed your own post wouldn’t it be logical for you to bring up hecatom instead of me or anyone else?

I’m not accusing you…yet I’m simply asking questions.

You say you want to go after wallflowers just like Azure, but then later on in the game you seem to be especially critical of him, now whether you have credible evidence against azure or not if his targets line up with your own why bother convincing any of us to suspect him? Wouldn’t it be in your best interest to let him do your work for you?

WTF-AKUMA-HAX:

Doofenshmirtz:

Um ok SAD actually seems like a random target tbh and **I bet MP’s change from me to OZ today will raise more question about me “slipping through the cracks”. Personally I dont believe i’ve said anything to implicate myself as a mafia member **but I guess I havent said nearly enough to get in everyones good books. Well im sure as long as Togami stays alive and PW too, the truth is gonna come out (hopefully sooner rather than later but my guess is probably by the next night phase)
Speaking of, Hecatom im assuming you’ll be keeping all the roles you learn to yourself for the time being, right? Since that seems like the only good thing right now. Maybe just naming the role but not the player? Or is that stupid… I actually think that might be stupid since we aren’t getting their alignment, are we? Gah so many question and they just lead to more questions, im going to bed now… (after i read the comments that were posted while I wrote this hahaha)

Those are like auto responses to get some heat off of you if you are a Mafia.

As well I hate to note this, but some people are not noticing the urgency now that a Civilian with a Medic role has died. Its not business as usual. There are now less protections. Someone just asked for Pimp to name both protection targets after Mikan Nurse death here, Synonym.

Casually throwing in such a bad idea, several people have done this in regards to roles in this game and wanting claims, but not even thinking that halfway through. Very fishy timing going into a Night phase soon.

We both know PW is a dead man sooner rather than later unfortunately, so no the truth according to your logic about you will not come out

Mobius:

Now that our Nurse is dead and the possibility of the Hall Monitor being a mafia is through the roof, the obvious assumption would be that the mafia will go after one of our confirmed roles, Pimp Willy or Azure, tonight.
Even if Pimp Willy protects Azure this night phase, it would guarantee his death as he would die if one of his targets is targeted by the mafia.

http://i.imgur.com/WjbZmcz.png

And that is if we assume that the Mafia will not specifically target him instead of Azure.

That said, if C_K is truly the Gamer/Civilian, his ability would be a veil to protect Pimp Willy and Azure this Night Phase from potential night kills. This will buy our confirmed civs another phase to work together.

http://i.imgur.com/BNG3Kd5.png

But if he is the Gamer/Mafia, then he would be a threat if we left him live through the night even if we come to the consensus to lynch him the day after, as he would just sacrifice himself to take out another civilian in addition to the night kill.

I’ll take the gambit on C_K’s claim as it would serve as well if he is able to prove himself and save Azure and Pimp Willy.

That said, I’ll be sending in my vote on Doofenshmirtz.

Pimp_Willy:

orochizoolander:

Pimp_Willy:

Its already been telegraphed but oz Is otaku and he contacted me. He’s clean and off limits. I only wanted mafia to think I wanted him dead… and was hoping azure would pick up my intentions

WOW…when azure thought I was Togami I didn’t anticipate that, and although he’s wrong the fact that he thought I was that role showed he was reading my posts the way I hoped all civs would. Now your read on me has put the fate of the entire game on my shoulders thanks -_-".

There’s only 2 reasons why you would make this post. If I choose the correct reason and figure out why you posted what you did, then the civs are in a great position to get mafia kills and win, if I pick the wrong reason, then we’re both dead and mafia most likely wins. This is a really tough spot you put me in, the fate of the game is going to come down to a 50/50 mixup and to block correctly I need some info from you a tell if you will, but I understand if you’re unable to do that to accomplish your goal so I’ll ask you a question, no mind games, no bullshit, just answer honestly.

Earlier in this game cyntalan said he didn’t believe in secret messages or the point of posting in code to which I responded the civs when the BLU game due to the coded posts between WAH and I, so I ask you do you see value in coded game posts?

Of course I advocate talking in codes, like when I was trying to code to azure that you were clean but mask that with everyone else. I spend half my time talking in code.

I had to post, because you were already about to come public anyway and it made it more believable if it came from me first, I didn’t want you coming out and me be away from the thread and have it end up getting people voting against you

And at this point, we needed the UC to know that the otaku was on our side, since their results are not going to the mafia side. Because that could affect his investigations.

Just a few post before mine you were asking me for permission, sorry I didn’t wait for you but it’s no biggie.

We didn’t discuss you ousting my role in public, you could have at least given me a head up in PM first, but whatever I’m not salty I’m sure you have your reasons, I mean you’re the only one I trusted when we started PM’ing.

Missing_Person:

Synonym:

Missing_Person:

Right now, I think you, Chief, and Synonym are the most likely candidates as a mastermind. Cynt maybe as well.

If I had to choose to find the mastermind, I’d lynch in that order, exactly.

How do I keep getting named as a mastermind? I’ve played exactly two games before and never once had a leadership role. I did well in the RE game because I answered only to myself and was able to navigate the game without having to worry about implicating my teammates. I was also a new player so I tried to approach that game as I would all my future games as a civilian. I attempt to remain impartial for the most part, only really committing to a lynch or a defence when I’m convinced of there being a reason to do so.

For example, your lynch day 1 was easily the best outcome we could get. Hence why I agreed to lynch you. Letting people off because they’ve been trustworthy in the past is so against my playstyle it isn’t funny. Acknowledge their abilities as a poster but seriously no-one should get a free pass in this game.

This just came to me as I was writing this, but has anyone paid serious attention to Augustus? I haven’t seen a shred of evidence that he’s guilty but we all seem to be ignoring him because PW has called him insightful and useful.

Your ability to fly under the radar is exactly why I think you’re a potential mastermind.

But that alone doesn’t seal it. It’s that you’re a smart, analytical person that makes some very smart posts in these games. That kind of capability makes for a good opportunity as mafia to set up mindgames. I also don’t think you’d make the indecisive mistakes you made in your first game anymore, you saw how that ruined you then.

The_Chief:

The thread has been helter skelter ever since the programmer ended that phase so abruptly.

My silence is my attempt to keep the thread on track and clear of bias. I’ve learned that being helpful doesn’t mean having the most posts. It means paying attention. Whenever my name has been called I have responded. Ive played this way since day 1. If you notice I didn’t even make a check in post.

If you look at the wallflowers, if you call their name they come in and have to “catch-up”. I set my sights on them since day 1 because since everyone has a role, the wallflowers can hurt us even more by sitting there with key roles or roles we assumed were used and we would never know. So I was all for clearing the playing field to help make our reads more precise.

However, the fact is, we’re being mislead with false information and guidance. I believe MP, PW and Azure are confirmed civs but I don’t blindly trust their advice or course of action.

For example: I’ll oblige with not lynching OZ as PW requested, but a conspiracy theory that’s being overlooked is what happens if you replace OZ with another player that’s been MIA such as Infrequent Lurker or ForgeDigger? Do the facts that apply to OZ work for them too?

PW talks in code alot but ever since the All Star game, I’ve never taken anything he’s posted at face value. Nothing against him personally. This is SRK and those kind of mind games are encouraged, however in these mafia games, they’re only beneficial to mafia.

Another example: The Programmers action; in my opinion it was an attempt to help us but without clear instruction or discussion it makes it difficult to execute something like that without collateral damage. Then again, if the programmer was mafia, why would they let AC get lynched? Why not end day phase immediately upon realization of their Val’s pending death?

The people are being misled. I’m aware that my post is coming out of nowhere but would people have been gung-ho to believe my logic and theories if I had been verbal in the thread since day 1? No. Because a general rule of thumb in this game is trust no one.

Now is the time to present our findings and make our cases. If we operate on the assumption that there are 4 mafia left, that means we have about 3 chances to be wrong.

Less if Azure kills wrong.

We can’t rely on guesses and hunches (or role claims) anymore.

I still believe that there’s at least 1-2 mafia hiding in the wallflower section of this game and 1-2 outspoken mafia. With all the speculation about roles the actual players activities are being ignored.

Azures plan is to have me lynched or killed so I’m going to say we have 2-3 wrong guesses remaining and 4 mafia to find.

The people I would like to here from are. Infrequent Lurker and ForgeDigger. They’re probably trying to catch up and will have a response later hopefully I’m alive to be able to utilize it.

Until then, just know that the only reason mafia hasn’t killed me is because they feared I was being protected by PW who was believed to be protected by the medic. Now with both medics gone, both of us are guaranteed dead.

When we come up dead I’d advise pressuring RadicalFuzz. He has been off this game and even though his insight is welcome it can’t be blindly trusted.

WTF-AKUMA-HAX:

a Header style introduction Preface:

I tried really hard on this one, please read it. If not now, at least when it becomes a bit more important or you learn more about who I am and can trust what I say. There are no jokes in it, nothing else particularly crazy with formatting besides one code raw text box and 2 line breaks with the multiple dash line break format to seperate big groups of text and different thoughts.

I can’t wait for another distraction response by Azure to sidetrack me and get this read even less. That exchange picking up again won’t be important to anybody as it just fights only me, which is pretty useless to gain the info we need instead on many more important things. I will answer all actual questions to help the team and not be the same type of someone I’m wary of, those that throw accusations without questions to maybe just only play to the crowd and snowball a much bigger problem that can’t be reversed by either party and has the worst result possible. In that same way, however, this was written out to start as a response to him, with things he said during his case against me, the concepts he provided can be still used with any group of players, not just us 2:

What’s wrong with talking about the extreme, theoretical plan of worst case scenario with vets working together at their strongest on a possible mafia team?

you said the same, when you were including me in a “group of 3-4” that “things line up now with mafia having veterans.”

Even if its unlikely, Pimp Willy still talked out the whole Kill Switch and Death + even Sacrifice angle. That’s what I’m saying about all of this, I know its unlikely which is why the last time this was detailed, it was done very quickly and not with every possibility, but I believe the evidence is there. Lets look at it, in a better, easier way all laid out:
Mafia knew Syo
Mafia can claim Vigi (Mafia + 1 Civ knows syo) and Paparazzi (nobody knows her)
Mafia can claim Togami (nobody knows him, or if he's civ)
No, there wasn’t a 2nd Syo roleclaim. why would there be one after everyone was fully ready to believe the first one?

Again its just the alternate theory of events, not having a 2nd Syo roleclaim is still no final proof of anything on the real Syo.

Syo really doesn’t want to come out with a roleclaim when few protections are left. That would be Very Dangerous as the 2nd Role claim of Syo will just be taken out.
Why would they put the target on their own back, for both the target of the Mafia kill and even a Lynch instead when Mafia doesn’t have to show their hand in killing the 2nd Vigilante roleclaim that could very well be real. They can leave that to the Vigilante.

Real Syo has that option too, taking out a role claim by a fake syo, one of the checks that prevents a 2nd role claim in the way that gets lots of trust.

Very few roles have checks to find out the 100% truth. Investigator can only, unluckily find a Mafia and is even disadvantaged with Forger still Alive out there on there Team in case you forgot.

In this alternate theory of the events: Real Vigi Syo can’t target Azure this whole time he’s protected. He can’t check him. He can’t dispute his claims of kill targets. That is also dangerous and ends up being a role claim.

Talking that obvious part out to no end and repeating myself a little is going to be spoiler boxed for space

Why would Mafia roleclaim vigilante?

If they can get away with it, when its a calculated risk with a big upside worthy of taking that risk.

If they have helpful roles that combine for such a plan, like Togami which the Civilians cannot dispute, or it would be risky to claim to be the real Togami in regards to how he works with Vigilante. Doing it first was a real chess move. Getting protection from being killed by Medics/Fighter from the actual Vigilante and end up having everyone find out the truth was important. Unluckily, the civilian team gave up protection targets (for their own reasons & plans) early in order to help that plan work very well and be covered on many angles. Hecatom may not have been covered a lot, is the only part of this I’m seeing, even after his role claim since Vigi remains pretty important to the Civs and Hecatom’s role he claimed was not as important at the time, with only like 1 night phase since his claim.

Azure has tied up the Protection role at least twice, Mafia can really use the facts that he is protected, where a different possible real Syo can’t kill him to learn the truth. It doesn’t only have to be Mafia wasting their kill on Azure’s Vigilante Roleclaim. They would go for a better target than someone that is protected afterall, the mixup put in place so they won’t waste their Night Kill action.

but if Azure:Vigilante is instead not civilian Vigi (who is always Civ),
but instead a non-Vigilante Mafia? (with the fake claim brokenly tying up the real Vigilante for many phases)

Everyone has fucked up then with the trust placed in the wrong players and their role claims. Thinking of how this Mafia game can be “broken” was not looked at and a lot of this lines up for “Broken Offense,” vs Pimp Willy’s now taken down-“Broken Defense” through almost no fault of his own.

Mafia are going to want Hecatom and Azure around as long as possible. They’re not going to kill them and give the town real information. We are definitely not going to lynch them after the trust they have earned, even with a passive unproven ability, the action for Togami, that wasn’t shown on Bious’ ESP radar. Of course Paparazzi was shown, but Bious also didn’t know if Vigi was a role on their own to begin with and didn’t look out for that. Mafia may have benefited from that too. Who can counter that paparazzi claim?

An easy, good and ready way to check for these ends is some more solid evidence. We need more evidence anyway without the reasons I want it:

What was Azure’s Night 2 Target to follow?
What was Hecatom’s other learned Roles during night phase?

I do agree, as it already said before me, that it will be bad for real Togami to die for his claim, but having any info to cross examine is really important to show people are exactly who they say they are. Mafia can kill Togami and Vigilante soon. I think the urgency is already here to know these things to really help the civilian team turn this around.

All of this won’t be 100% right in every way, of course, but there are some new possibilities in this post that can be working out there that have not been thoroughly looked at with how the role dynamics work together. I don’t think it to be wise to leave these “stones unturned.” Especially the side of supporting the Alpha Commando Valedictorian with strong roles, after seeing if you also notice like I did, the last person to bring this up, was Doof, right before he died, maybe even for saying it again.

Civilian Skills that find roles seem to have been all taken away from our team. Such as the confirmed major one in Sayaka who is a “Forger” instead. Knowing the vigi for the Civilian version of the Togami role, doesn’t mean knowing the second role the Vigi also started with. While that is being claimed, the real Vigi and a possible real role of Paparazzi can very well turn into wallflowers that damn well will not role claim who they are so they don’t get run out of the game for going against the fully established trust and info we all mutually believed going forward without a second thought, opinion, or look to be completely sure.

I’m not completely sure about Azure.

Way worse than me being a Mafia on the old tired angle of “I can’t understand him” placed upon me every now and again.

As an aside: Nowadays that is just for quickly breaking-the-ice jokes since it has been said plenty enough so far in every successive game and isn’t new and exciting with your own personal spin on it or real honest thoughts thinking that through and noticing I helped a ton in TF2:Blue

I would be very scared of a Mafia Azure in line with a Mafia Pimp Willy who was seen in other games, the example talked about again in this very game thread based on his PHX Wright game and the deception of real “wool pulled over everyone’s eyes” taking full advantage of the Sovi3t bow out. That was an entire plan laid out that people could not find any problem or poke a hole in. That was a solid Mafia gameplay move.

You guys have to at least respect me telling you exactly what I’m thinking, no matter if its a big text wall. I do play and speak honestly and completely failed to mention that in this game among everything else I believe makes up my playing style. The style of game with so many roles in it has not helped me think this all out very well. I’m sure I’m not the only one even if you don’t want to openly share that sentiment and be called weak for it, when it is very reasonable to think this way. Luckily for the group, I don’t hold up an entire jury here by being the dissident outlaw voter. So there’s no reason like the whole vote is deadlocked if I don’t agree and I’m holding this all up for selfish reasons, by not just agreeing with the group.

Having any doubt in your mind will come back to haunt you as a big regret by not acting on it when you still had the chance.

pietastic:

Cyntalan going in on people: he’s gone in on CK and OZ, and not just as a complete bandwagoner. He simply went with the flow on MP. His initial suspicion day 1 was CK, when CK did hardcore sketchy stuff in the beginning. Evidence below.

Cyntalan:

Well, I think it’s time to see how truthful you’re being, CK.

Lynch Combo_Knight.

I, for one still see a use in you if you are mafia (trade 1 mafia for an extra kill that night is incredible if you know that mafia is gonna get lynched the next day). Best to nip that in the bud if true. Especially at this phase when you are already up for the death. If you survive this day phase, you know your time is almost up and would have no reason to not just do it at night and get the extra kill.

Cyntalan:

Oh, I forgot to count Hecatom as confirmed, but now that I think about it, I’m not 100% sold on him being what he says he is. I don’t recall seeing any confirmation on him, but prolly 90, 95% confirmed in my book though.

Cyntalan:

I’d really like to know where you get oz being civ, Willy. Not that I don’t trust your allegiance, just can’t comprehend your judgement sometimes. Any not-so-direct way you could help me determine the same conclusion you have? I haven’t put in my vote yet, but was just about to and then read your statement…

I REALLY don’t think oz is civ. I’m not sure he’s mafia either, though.

CK definitely climbed up on my books as of late, so I’d be willing to move over my vote to him if you think oz can be iced by the vigi tonight.

Cyntalan:

I’mma say lynch zoo, unless someone starts droppin knives as well.

Cyntalan:

Yeah, I’ll go with AC for now.

@orochizoolander, you better not fuggin’ be mafia after I stuck my neck out for you. Last thing I need is for you to drag me down with you. Depending on what he says next, I think he’s our prime lynch target for tomorrow. I gave him the benefit of the doubt before, but every time he opened his yap since then, it’s felt like knives have been fallin’ out of his pockets like Uncle Mugsy in Family Jewels.

Cyntalan:

I guess then I’ll go with the flow for now. We’ll see where we go from here.

Lynch Missing Person

Cyntalan:

Cyntalan:

Two hours, two pages. What is this, GD Lounge?

Least no one’s brought up no lynch yet…

Bious:

I hate to do this, but I’m getting busy and I don’t feel okay with anyone being voted for as of now.

I’m no-lynching.

:bluu: :mad: :arazz:

So, the thread’s totally blown up before the end of the day, we’ve had someone edit, BullDancer has sorta role claimed, PWilly has announced a “winning strat” and argues for it, Pistol Shrimp has been lynched, and someone no-lynch. Is that all for a day 1 checklist? Did I miss anything?

Unless someone can convince me on MP or PWilly, though, I’m gonna throw down for Combo_Knight.

RadicalFuzz:

Missing_Person:

I haven’t, just something in me says he’s not calling the shots if he’s mafia, and he’s a lower priority if he is.

Plus I did concede at the very least that he lines up with my 2/1/1 lists after Doof’s last gasp. I think there’s something that may need to be looked into on Fuzz.

What say you, PW? @Hecatom? @Azure.

Thanks, I guess, for not thinking I’m important Mafia. Regardless, near the bottom of this post I explain how I can prove my innocence. Also, on your pietastic suspicions, I’m not sure. It does look like a case of tunnel vision similar to what I had with DG earlier (but now that I think about it, his post that prompted Alpha to make a mistake in posting the most in-depth review of the roles he’d pick didn’t come up until after Alpha’s lynch) but I like the fact that you’re doing shit, going after people after death. I’ll try to get a more in-depth analysis later, really distracted right now.

@ Chief regarding your post about why would the Mafia Programmer let AC get lynched. I believe it was because there was the damning piece of evidence against him, not just one person pushing for his lynch. Also Alpha didn’t have a continuous role aside from the Valedictorian triple kill, and they didn’t know 3 roles at the time, so keeping him alive for another day phase wouldn’t have helped much IMO.

Attention: I’m gonna role claim. So Chief you can go ahead and facepalm or roll your eyes or whatever you do when you get annoyed. This is going to increase the number of confirmed civs from 3 to 4 so I think it’s statistically a good move. Assuming 10/4/1 we will have taken 4 targets off the table for lynching because they’ve been proven civilian, resulting in a total of 11 lynch candidates from among 6/4/1. That’s just under a 40% chance to kill Mafia, not even basing that on in-thread actions.
On that note, Lynch RadicalFuzz.

To everyone that hasn’t figured it out, I’m Mondo Oooooooooooooowada, the Super Duper High School Level Gang Leader. I’m civilian, so anybody that’s played with a role like this will know what I’m going to do. Everyone should vote to lynch me today. If I actually am civilian Oowada then I’ll change the vote to someone else. However, if someone else is Oowada then under no circumstances should they change the lynch vote. That is very important. If I’m claiming a role that someone else in the game has right now, then I am Mafia and should be killed. I was trying to do this yesterday, but halfway through the day it looked that Combo was going to be lynched. I took a risk that I would survive Night Phase and it paid off, so to speak. This is like an option select of sorts, barring the Enforcer’s interference. If nothing happens (or I’m Enforced :sad:) then I will be killed and will be Mafia or an unlucky civilian. If someone gets lynched via Crazy Diamond, Oowada’s civ ability, then I’m cleared. Obviously this relies on the real Oowada, if he’s not me, to not use his ability today.

@Doofenshmirtz I will avenge you bro! I’ll find and kill every Culprit responsible for your death and end this! This is a promise of the highest caliber, a man’s promise, and I will fulfill it!

Pimp_Willy · October 7, 2013, 5:13am

Collection of last gasp lists

Funny, everyone agrees on RF. Hax is the other one people agree on. Otherwise, a lot of the names are pretty much out there.

as an aside, DG I have been feeling might be an alt account of another vet, so… he’s scary if my gut is right. And my gut has been wrong all game lol

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:13am

WTF I SAVED MY DRAFT A MILLION TIMES GAYASS FUCKIN FAGGOT SRK VANILLA SERVER ATE MOST OF MY POST RESPONDING TO THE SHIT I QUOTED TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO THINK N TYPE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

:mad:

DarkGeneral · October 7, 2013, 5:16am

1: I have never been wrong about Chiefs allegiance when I was lurking the mafia threads. When he was Civ, I was right, and when he was mafia I was right. Due to my interactions with him and seeing him post around SRK I feel I have a good bead on him when he’s acting out of character. When he was mafia he was uncharacteristically pensive and quiet, he also tried to play up some type of angle to avoid being looked at seriously or questioned. When he was Civ he played much looser and was laid back. He’s usually a pretty laid back guy who isn’t so closely guarded.

When I said I suspected him the response I got back from him just screamed he was mafia and continues to scream he’s mafia. As soon as I laid out an accusation on him he was quick to deflect all attention away from himself and onto me, based on my intuition of him that was the exact type of response I was expecting of him if he was mafia. So I dared him to try and lead a lynch on me. As soon as he lead the lynch and I would come up civ all eyes would be on him. He backed down so quick from that post that’s hilarious. Why on gods green earth would THE CHIEF be afraid of leading a lynch on me unless he wanted to stay well below the radar.

According to my own notes the only reason he would stay below the radar is because he’s the UC. The likelyhood of him being the UC and playing under the radar like this is almost nil to me. There’s another good reason why I don’t believe he’s UC but I don’t want to say too much more about the UC.

2: I posted like or insightful on every last gasp to date, that much isn’t out of the ordinary. But outside of that fact I agreed that me and RF should be pressed. It’s a logical conclusion to reach. As a matter of fact, up until this point I have had interaction with every single night target just before they have died. Bious/Btier, Sumazndude and Doof. And you know what? There’s absolutely nothing I can say to defend myself on that it’s damning, incriminating, all but the smoking gun. It’s completely logical because the only scenario is that I’ve been a target of Mafias ire or that I’ve been a mafia member collecting reads for whoever is the leader of the mafia.

That’s a straight up 50/50 scenario that I’ve noticed right after Doof was the mafia kill. There’s no way I can defend myself, literally the only thing that can help me this day phase is if Hecatom by chance found out which role I’am. *

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:16am

I guess I’ll quote and respond to posts individually…FUCK I hope I rememebr what I just spend the last hour typing.

Pimp_Willy · October 7, 2013, 5:19am

@orochizoolander that sucks. But also, Azure is claiming both Syo and Paparazzi. Syo is an ability tacked on to an existing civ, just like the valedictorian was for mafia. just as a heads up

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:21am

First you spend half the thread saying how fishy WAH is and then you say he makes sense and then on the same page and since you go back to suspecting him, which then triggers him to start suggesting you’re mafia role claiming as syo to fly under the radar. Forgetting everything else, just looking objectively at the exchanges between you two it plays out like the classic “2 mafia members posing as paranoid mistrusting civs that suspect each other of being mafia”. I’m not accusing you or him, just pointing out the obvious.

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:24am

Mobius:

Now that our Nurse is dead and the possibility of the Hall Monitor being a mafia is through the roof, the obvious assumption would be that the mafia will go after one of our confirmed roles, Pimp Willy or Azure, tonight.
Even if Pimp Willy protects Azure this night phase, it would guarantee his death as he would die if one of his targets is targeted by the mafia.

http://i.imgur.com/WjbZmcz.png

And that is if we assume that the Mafia will not specifically target him instead of Azure.

That said, if C_K is truly the Gamer/Civilian, his ability would be a veil to protect Pimp Willy and Azure this Night Phase from potential night kills. This will buy our confirmed civs another phase to work together.

http://i.imgur.com/BNG3Kd5.png

But if he is the Gamer/Mafia, then he would be a threat if we left him live through the night even if we come to the consensus to lynch him the day after, as he would just sacrifice himself to take out another civilian in addition to the night kill.

I’ll take the gambit on C_K’s claim as it would serve as well if he is able to prove himself and save Azure and Pimp Willy.

That said, I’ll be sending in my vote on Doofenshmirtz.

All civs in this game have fucked up hence why we only got 1 mafia kill so far. That being said you went after 3 civs in a row who are now confirmed in death, and the third one doof you publicly voted for without giving any reasoning as to why, that in itself should make everyone else put you on their suspect list, unless of course you can convince us how going after 3 civs in a row without saying why is not suspicious.

Pimp_Willy · October 7, 2013, 5:26am

I think I may have deduced the gambler from old posts :tup: still not sure if they’re mafia or civ, though, it’s a powerful ability either way

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:27am

Okay so please explain how pulling a CK benefits civs assuming you are one? Unlike CK who was logically suspicious from the jump and only made himself more of a lynch target by committing suicide you were not on everyone’s radar, only a few were looking ta you sideways and that was at the beginning of the game so what prompted you to put yourself on the sacrificial alter? Also I find it equally baffling that soon after everyone ignores your offer to take a bullet AKA pull a Bull_Dancer you go back to postulating guesses and play the game as a civ…so what made you change your mind and want to live?

Pimp_Willy · October 7, 2013, 5:29am

orochizoolander:

Mobius:

Now that our Nurse is dead and the possibility of the Hall Monitor being a mafia is through the roof, the obvious assumption would be that the mafia will go after one of our confirmed roles, Pimp Willy or Azure, tonight.
Even if Pimp Willy protects Azure this night phase, it would guarantee his death as he would die if one of his targets is targeted by the mafia.

http://i.imgur.com/WjbZmcz.png

And that is if we assume that the Mafia will not specifically target him instead of Azure.

That said, if C_K is truly the Gamer/Civilian, his ability would be a veil to protect Pimp Willy and Azure this Night Phase from potential night kills. This will buy our confirmed civs another phase to work together.

http://i.imgur.com/BNG3Kd5.png

But if he is the Gamer/Mafia, then he would be a threat if we left him live through the night even if we come to the consensus to lynch him the day after, as he would just sacrifice himself to take out another civilian in addition to the night kill.

I’ll take the gambit on C_K’s claim as it would serve as well if he is able to prove himself and save Azure and Pimp Willy.

That said, I’ll be sending in my vote on Doofenshmirtz.

All civs in this game have fucked up hence why we only got 1 mafia kill so far. That being said you went after 3 civs in a row who are now confirmed in death, and the third one doof you publicly voted for without giving any reasoning as to why, that in itself should make everyone else put you on their suspect list, unless of course you can convince us how going after 3 civs in a row without saying why is not suspicious.

I (and others) are also of the belief that CJ was mafia, his role lets him die as a civilian if he was mafia

RadicalFuzz · October 7, 2013, 5:32am

Here are the unknown roles:
Luckster
Supermodel
Gambler
All-Star
Swimmer

Here are the known Mafia roles:
Princess
Programmer (counting it since the night kill still happened)
Idol
Bookworm (counting it via Principle of Charity)

Here are the alive and known Civilian roles:
Heir
Gang Leader
Coach
Bodyguard
Detective
Otaku
Photographer
Animal Breeder (the evil “Dark Lord” guy with the hamsters)

We know that Alpha was the Diplomat so they got Azure’s identity at the start of the game. We know that he didn’t know the Vigi’s identity while recruiting, since Syo was assigned after alignments were sent out, so we can remove that factor. Alpha did know that he would get the Vigi’s name after it was assigned.

Something interesting I noticed, Co-Jones’s Last Gasp lists 2 civilians, OZ & I, and WAH. Isn’t it SOP for Mafia to list at least one Mafia as a suspect in their Last Gasp or an equivalent “last big post”? I refuse to believe that CJ died just because he didn’t check the thread, he’s smarter than that, so that only leaves the possibility of him being Mafia dying as civ Fukawa.

orochizoolander · October 7, 2013, 5:32am

Pimp_Willy:

orochizoolander:

Pimp_Willy:

Its already been telegraphed but oz Is otaku and he contacted me. He’s clean and off limits. I only wanted mafia to think I wanted him dead… and was hoping azure would pick up my intentions

WOW…when azure thought I was Togami I didn’t anticipate that, and although he’s wrong the fact that he thought I was that role showed he was reading my posts the way I hoped all civs would. Now your read on me has put the fate of the entire game on my shoulders thanks -_-".

There’s only 2 reasons why you would make this post. If I choose the correct reason and figure out why you posted what you did, then the civs are in a great position to get mafia kills and win, if I pick the wrong reason, then we’re both dead and mafia most likely wins. This is a really tough spot you put me in, the fate of the game is going to come down to a 50/50 mixup and to block correctly I need some info from you a tell if you will, but I understand if you’re unable to do that to accomplish your goal so I’ll ask you a question, no mind games, no bullshit, just answer honestly.

Earlier in this game cyntalan said he didn’t believe in secret messages or the point of posting in code to which I responded the civs when the BLU game due to the coded posts between WAH and I, so I ask you do you see value in coded game posts?

Of course I advocate talking in codes, like when I was trying to code to azure that you were clean but mask that with everyone else. I spend half my time talking in code.

I had to post, because you were already about to come public anyway and it made it more believable if it came from me first, I didn’t want you coming out and me be away from the thread and have it end up getting people voting against you

And at this point, we needed the UC to know that the otaku was on our side, since their results are not going to the mafia side. Because that could affect his investigations.

Just a few post before mine you were asking me for permission, sorry I didn’t wait for you but it’s no biggie.

I really wished you would have given me a heads up before telling everyone my role but whatever, I understand why you did it and I appreciate the support I’m glad I trusted the right person to PM, if you didn’t claim oogami I really don’t know who I would have PM’ed. Anyways, so after some thought it’s actually a brilliant play to oust me as otaku because now, mafia now who I am so they will be forced to night kill both of us which gives the UC more time to find mafia and/or confirm civs. Which reminds me:

UC DON’T BE A FUCKING IDIOT AND FUCK THIS UP FOR US, PW ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICED HIMSELF AND ME SO YOU CAN CONTINUE INVESTIGATING PLEASE DON’T ROLE CLAIM OR EVEN THINK ABOTU GIVING UP ANY INFO ON WHO YOU ARE JUST KEEP DOING YOU! I’LL FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND PUSH YOU DOWN AN ESCALATOR GOING UP IF YOU GIVE YOURSELF AWAY!

DarkGeneral · October 7, 2013, 5:33am

This is also a tack on to my last post (before I get into why Mobius is one of my leading suspects for what feels like the umpteenth time), I think Mobius could be a mafia that has tried to get me lynched/suspected all game long. He’s the first person to openly doubt me and he has been praying on RadicalFuzzs tunnel vision of me. AlphaCommando was the other person who tried playing Fuzz like a fiddle throughout the game because of Fuzzs suspicions of me. With the information we have now and if Fuzz is clean, Mobius is starting to look even more like the serpent wispering into Fuzz ear what he wanted to hear.

Chief, I believe could absolutely make the reads that Doof and Sumazndude was medics. Missing Person said he called Pimp Willy and Kaz being the lovers on day 1 of the south park game if my memory serves me right. Missing Person can correct me if I’m wrong since he was the GM. If I’m right, then my case looks stronger for the Chief being the alpha of the mafia right now. Who hear could have made those reads based on the information we know. Augustus is a possibility since he was the first to point out the Sumazndude thing but he’s been generally helpful. Most of the vets are looking like confirmed civvies or have a strong hint towards being civ. Chief? Not so much. *