SRK Mafia X -- Dangan Ronpa: Fire At Will -- END -- Civilians Win

[Missing_Person]

I don’t think orochi is mafia. I just don’t see it now.

The way I see it we have someone with experience here.

The Chief
pietastic
WTF-AKUMA-HAX
Hecatom
Synonym
Augustus

You’re all smart enough to pull something like this off. You’re about to all get me on your ass hard now.

infrequent lurker, I’ll deal with you later.

[Missing_Person]

Mobius too. You’re playing no different than any other time. Don’t think I haven’t been paying attention to that.

[Missing_Person]

There is two mafia at least in that list of 7. I guarantee it.

PW, post count?

[DarkGeneral]

I advise you find something more concrete to narrow down the suspects than the list the valedictorian made that could have been made to specifically emphasize certain points.
'Tis not like you to be this jumpy as you scour for straws.

*I’m not being jumpy, I’m confident enough in this read to put my balls on the line. I can be wrong on both of you and I’ll look like a massive idiot. But I’m so confident in my read that I’ll take that chance. By the way Mobius, here is all the posts you’ve made in the game up to this point.

Spoiler

Okay, for real going to bed.

@Mobius has liked the OP, yet not said anything yet.

Just got here, MP. I was reading the thread as it was already 3 pages.
I’ll organize my thoughts together in the meanwhile.
It’s 1 A.M. here, yet I’ll probably stay for another hour or so.

Have you read the thread or did you just see him get DQd? If you’ve already read the thread, and assuming that ETierBison isn’t Oogami, what do you think of that plan? Syo kills Oogami tonight so Swimmer (Asahina) can get the Valedictorian’s name.

The flip side is the possibility of Asahina being recruited for the self-preservation of the Valedictorian is quite high, I surmise. After all, if someone is to choose roles for his team, why not deprive the civs of the role that would potentially lead to his demise, in this case,

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/lMleKm7.png

If the Valedictorian chose roles accordingly, I doubt he’ll leave us with an easy way to kill him.

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Edit

As annoying as this is, at least it’ll give us some information before going into the day 1 lynch. Especially if he’s Mafia, that’d be a really nice way to start the game. Mind telling us what your role is now so we have some extra time to consider it?

It would be too much to ask for him to be Val or Swimmer, wouldn’t it? :lol:

I understand it would benefit us if Bison was the Valedictorian and got DQ’d.
-On a side note, I know Bious replaced him immediately but that’s not my point.-
Why the Swimmer?
I’m quite curious,
Including her did not seem to match the context of the statement or jest.
If the swimmer is a civilian, we want her to stay alive at least until after Oogami dies so that her ability to learn the Valedictorian’s name activates.
If she gets DQ’d right away before Oogami dies, she won’t be able to know who the Valedictorian is.
Asking her to be DQ’d because of her mafia ability of being Vigilante immune is petty, I think.

That said, I do believe the chances of the Valedictorian recruiting the Swimmer is quite high as her ability will put the Valedictorian in danger if it activates so he recruited her to self-preserve himself to eliminate the risk of her ability going off.

Which roles would you guys recruit and why?

If I’m the Valedictorian, I might recruit the weak roles just because it will be amusing if the civs ignored them because of their abilities and lynched their power roles.
Jesting aside, here are my likely choices,

Otaku - the amount of shenanigans available from this role is quite something. Let’s say a mafia member got investigated by the Detective, throwing him under the bus to clear themselves becomes viable. And if the Detective investigates a civilian, they’ll remove them off the checklist on the possible detectives as the Detective is unlikely to investigate himself and kill someone else instead which would further narrow down the list of possible detectives.

Swimmer - self preservation.

The other two medic roles to mitigate the civilian’s ability to stop night kills.

That said, I do hope this is not a trap DarkGeneral, seeing as the scenario you presented us is “who would you recruit”, this would place us in the shoes of the Valedictorian and -perhaps- not list our own roles in who we’ll recruit. If you’re mafia, you’d be able to narrow down our possible roles through the lists.
Just a thought though~ 'Tis nothing too serious yet.

• Again, what are those 4 weakest roles (in your opinion)?

Your concern is valid, typical for this type of game. You can choose to trust me or not. I’m not asking for anyone’s trust, I just want people to contribute. Once the numbers thin out the Civ survivors can use what the deceased left behind to nail the mafia.*

The Average Joe, the Gamer, the Model and, to a lesser extent, the Coach.
The Gamer and the Model has a cost of sacrificing themselves to activate their ability, quite hefty, is it not?
The Coach’s effectiveness is dependent on player, one of which is a roulette as the Valedictorian can only chose roles not players. However, we can argue picking him takes away a cleared dead civilian from the civs. But still, it’s player dependent, in other words, it’s risky when you don’t know which player is the coach.
As for the Average Joe, well, he’s roleless.

Also like how PW never answered my suspicion of his soft claim.

There was nothing soft about it, it just wasn’t written in crayon on kindergarten paper. People who cared enough to read the thread would get it, people who don’t care enough to read won’t.

So by that, you’re insinuating that you’re Nekomaru, correct?

^This is the original quote that MP RC’d Nekomaru that appears on page 7^

Really?
I was quite certain that it was MP asking Pimp Willy if he was Nekomaru, not MP role-claiming Nekomaru.

Oh, by the way…
If I was a Mafia Idol, would I try to mess up an investigation or forge a Mafia member?

With the mafia knowing about the existence of your ability and not selecting you as their teammate, it would be a viable move for them to feign framing one of their own.
This way, after you used your ability, they’ll be able to mitigate the amount civilians your ability could potentially clear whilst pseudo-clearing one of their own.

However, if they planned no such thing, then whoever the forger targeted might be a civilian.

Oh, by the way…
If I was a Mafia Idol, would I try to mess up an investigation or forge a Mafia member?

With the mafia knowing about the existence of your ability and not selecting you as their teammate, it would be a viable move for them to feign framing one of their own.
This way, after you used your ability, they’ll be able to mitigate the amount civilians your ability could potentially clear whilst pseudo-clearing one of their own.

However, if they planned no such thing, then whoever the forger targeted might be a civilian.

Friends in high places is the passive one.

http://i.imgur.com/4qtT1x1.png

I do not follow.

But I am going to go out on a limb and say that your brain should have “danged” instead of “donged”. No homo.

You know how in cartoons when a character gets an idea and a bulb appears over his head and the “ding” sound effect goes off and their face…

Anyway what I was asking is if any of the new people who joined SRK to participate in Mafia games played that one as well?

The RE game was my first game.
Aside from me, it’s Synonym, Augustus and Sumazndude.

…so it could be safe for anyone of those 2 to come out and still we wouldnt have to deal with the triple kill, unless of course the Val can use it on a walking dead like Bious and or with their own?

About this, i think that it could be useful if @GodotsRevenge could tell us if the Val can use the triple kill on Bious that is already dead in a way, or if he can use one of the mafia to make the sacrifice (the later is more than not possible imo, but it will be good to know)

I would assume that there’s no restrictions on who the Mafia targets with the triple kill ability. Thinking on it, that would also trigger Komaeda’s win condition, since he was killed by the Mafia at night. Interesting.

If that is possible, then there is the possibility of him role-claiming to fulfill the 3/3 requirements of the mafia when have 2 present role claimants to worry about.

…so it could be safe for anyone of those 2 to come out and still we wouldnt have to deal with the triple kill, unless of course the Val can use it on a walking dead like Bious and or with their own?

About this, i think that it could be useful if @GodotsRevenge could tell us if the Val can use the triple kill on Bious that is already dead in a way, or if he can use one of the mafia to make the sacrifice (the later is more than not possible imo, but it will be good to know)

I would assume that there’s no restrictions on who the Mafia targets with the triple kill ability. Thinking on it, that would also trigger Komaeda’s win condition, since he was killed by the Mafia at night. Interesting.

If that is possible, then there is the possibility of him role-claiming to fulfill the 3/3 requirements of the mafia when have 2 present role claimants to worry about.

Of course it could be a sneaky civilian who’s trying to get the Mafia to waste their triple kill ability, which would result in nothing happening.

Umm… it would have been better, if the mafia isn’t made aware about that possibility.
Well, that’s assuming that they didn’t not consider it already.

…so it could be safe for anyone of those 2 to come out and still we wouldnt have to deal with the triple kill, unless of course the Val can use it on a walking dead like Bious and or with their own?

About this, i think that it could be useful if @GodotsRevenge could tell us if the Val can use the triple kill on Bious that is already dead in a way, or if he can use one of the mafia to make the sacrifice (the later is more than not possible imo, but it will be good to know)

I would assume that there’s no restrictions on who the Mafia targets with the triple kill ability. Thinking on it, that would also trigger Komaeda’s win condition, since he was killed by the Mafia at night. Interesting.

If that is possible, then there is the possibility of him role-claiming to fulfill the 3/3 requirements of the mafia when have 2 present role claimants to worry about.

Of course it could be a sneaky civilian who’s trying to get the Mafia to waste their triple kill ability, which would result in nothing happening.

Umm… it would have been better, if the mafia isn’t made aware about that possibility.
Well, that’s assuming that they didn’t not consider it already.

*did not
That double negative.

The RE game was my first game.
Aside from me, it’s Synonym, Augustus and Sumazndude.

Interesting.

Synonym is/has doubted the validity of Bious claim that he is Yasuhiro which is understandable. This is a game of deception after all. Plus Touko’s ability allows her to do a false roll claim. My question is why would mafia sacrifice her so early? Wouldn’t it be better to use this skill later in the game? Especially if the the score was something like 7C-3M. Hell look at all of the confusion it’s causing at the moment. Sacrificing her after one day seems rash. What point would it serve? To take some heat off of Pimp Willy? I’m sure he could do that on his own. Plus if the real Yasuhiro is killed then all of his credibility would go out of the window. That is unless…Yasu was recruited by the mafia as well. Still with this development happening after the first night I more inclined to think that Bious is who he says he is.

If BTier hadn’t been replaced would things be playing out the way they are now? Would the mafia have chosen a different target?

Great points, I lean towards Bious being a civilian and Yasuhiro.
However, I won’t claim that I’m 99.99% certain, it’s 67% percent at best.
The only way I’ll be 100% certain is if there are no counterclaims and if Touka role claims.
These would remove the possibility of Bious being Touka who is role-claiming Yasuhiro.
And if we lynch the person who role-claimed Touka and she comes up as Touka, then we would have nothing to worry about false death role reveals on future phases.

Bious was revealed as a civilian on his death, so him being Yasuhiro/Mafia is not possible, while him being Touka/Mafia is still possible.

But since that confirmation needs at the very least 1 role and 2 roles at most to role-claim, I’ll rather seek a different approach.

So in the end, until none of the confirmations I’ve mentioned happens, I’ll be tackling this game with Bious being Yasuhiro/Civilian in my mindset.

My question is why would mafia sacrifice her so early? Wouldn’t it be better to use this skill later in the game? Especially if the the score was something like 7C-3M.

And now that I think about it, Bious claims that Togami’s kill switch was not activated last night. Though I’m inclined to believe him as I mentioned beforehand, the possibility that it had been activated and the switch led to the mafia killing of their own is there, which may mean that Touka was not necessarily sacrificed but instead killed by Syo.

Likewise, this confirmation needs a role-claim so I’ll rather seek an approach that doesn’t involve it. And frankly, our Vigilante hitting a Mafia on night 1 seems statistically unlikely. Although shooting Bulldancer, a role claimant, made sense.
Likewise, the mafia killing a role claimant that isn’t affected by the triple kill makes sense as well.

What point would it serve? To take some heat off of Pimp Willy? I’m sure he could do that on his own.

I agree, Pimp Willy is cunning enough to deflect suspicions away from himself, so the mafia killing off one of their own member to exonerate him is quite an overkill. If Pimp Willy is mafia, then I’m quite certain he could think of a better use for Touka’s ability.
On the other hand, if Bious is Touka/Mafia, then he might have just exonerated Pimp Willy by confirming the people he had protected. This may be a subtle hint that the two are in cahoots or the mafia may simply have preempted this possibility and is incriminating Pimp Willy.
And in another perspective, Touka/Mafia was simply bluffing on his own when he confirmed the two protection targets and Pimp Willy had nothing to do with such conspiracies.

Taking Bious’ report into account,
For convenience’s sake, this would be the current roster of roles,
Correct me if I’m wrong,

Civilians:
Detective
Fortune Teller
Fighter
Average Joe
Coach
Nurse
Dark Lord

Unconfirmed:
Luckster
Supermodel
Gambler
All Star
Programmer
Otaku
Swimmer
Gang Leader
Bookworm
Heir
Gamer
Photographer
Princess
Hall Monitor(Likely mafia, if he was on our side, sitting out on his ability-Protecting the School Environment- to protect anyone is damning the town, so we might as well assume he’s mafia)

Mafia:
Idol

Third Party:
Luckster #2

I mean you’re actually encouraging keeping thoughts to ourselves and discouraging people from discussing all of the possibilities. Seriously, that’s fucking stupid and I’m seriously mad now. If the possibility of you being Civ wasn’t so high, I’d be leading the bandwagon on you for trying to prevent the flow of information. Fuck.

Not exactly, no. the fact that you chimed in on something that had already been said (by me, no less), and added it to the conversation like it was new, is what gets me. Your thoughts weren’t new, all they did was start up the echo chamber of “Willy is dirty” so that if it’s said more times, people will start to think on it more. which is fine, nobody should trust me 100%. But fuck, I was basically the only person even trying to think through a scenario other than kill you, and your response was “Hey maybe he’s mafia”

So I’m not gonna stand in the way anymore, everyone is right to suspect you. Historically, the forging is done on mafia. We have no real reason to suspect Bious is mafia, other than my paranoia, and you’re not helping your case as far as I can see. So might as well get this over with.

I’m sorry if I missed the ‘hay guise, don’t forget i might be mafia’ conversation that you had. I must’ve missed it along with all the other people that had their own little conversations in their head rather than thinking out loud. Get used to it, because the fear of posting valuable information’s going to lead to a lot more wallflowers trying not to incriminate themselves, especially with everyone having a role.

The fact that you were defending me made me believe that you understood, but clearly not. Go have a look at the conversation Fluff and I had a couple of pages back and it might just click. I’m 90% sure it clicked with at least one other person. I was going to try and stay alive for your benefit, but if you’re trying to prevent the flow of information, one more piece of information shouldn’t hurt. I’m going to bed before I have an aneurysm.

Why would they pick you to forge? you’re so inconsequential for a random choice.

This sums up the main argument for lynching Alpha. There’s only one way the Mafia could confirm a player’s role before Night 1. Sonia Nevermind.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/vjLfA9t.png

If the Mafia recruited Sonia, then there’s a small possibility that they expected big plays to be happening tonight, ESP to see everything, several investigative roles, etc. Forging the Vigi, if witnessed by ESP or investigated by UC, would likely cause us to lynch the player using the above logic. It’s a big if and more to look at all available scenarios, but I figured it’s worth posting.

Actually, there’s a big possibility that they expected a Phase 1 ESP.
Statistically, the number of players alive is highest on Phase 1, hence the possible number of abilities that can be activated is at its peak. Using ESP there and then would net the Fortune Teller the most fish. If he had chosen to wait on it, then there is that backlash that those with an active ability are already dead before he could detect it through his use of ESP.
Hence, playing defensively with forgery as the Mafia preempted the Phase 1 ESP is quite likely, in my opinion.
And if they did recruit Sonia, then wouldn’t killing off the Vigilante on Night 1 be better than incriminating him through forgery as they wait for us to lynch him?

Seeing as he is the most solid lead we have at the moment, I am inclined to vote for AlphaCommando.

In two hours.

Just so you two know the write up clearly listed me as civ.

Yes, I was quite aware.

Bious was revealed as a civilian on his death, so him being Yasuhiro/Mafia is not possible, while him being Touka/Mafia is still possible.

So in the end, until none of the confirmations I’ve mentioned happens, I’ll be tackling this game with Bious being Yasuhiro/Civilian in my mindset.

I think I’m just gonna vote DarkGeneral for today since there’s little to no risk of a tie (not sending it in until later just in case I’m required as a tiebreaker). I’m aware that Alpha’s most likely Mafia but I just can’t shake the feeling that this was a Mafia strategy.

I haven’t submitted my vote as well as I have this feeling that this could also have been offensive play by the mafia to incriminate a civilian whilst they preempted the Phase 1 ESP.
'Tis a WIFOM, I suppose.

For convenience’s sake, this would be the current roster of roles,
Correct me if I’m wrong,

List

The vigilante is also civilian.

@GodotsRevenge can Kirigiri be Genocider Syo, the Vigi?

I did not include him since the vigilante could be any role so I merely listed all the roles.

If Asahina is a civilian, Oogami still has to die for her ability to activate.
We can go through two routes,
The offensive one where we choose Asahina and let Oogami die to learn the Valedictorian’s name or the defensive one where we keep Oogami and continue to protect 3 people at night with that Pimp Willy tech.

Frankly, I’m lost.
Even if we keep Alpha alive for being Asahina, we still won’t be able to make use of his ability unless Pimp Willy dies. And if Pimp Willy dies, we lose that 3 people protect tech but gain the Valedictorian’s name.

And all of this is assuming that Alpha is a civilian.

I still haven’t even voted yet.

Seeing as he is the most solid lead we have at the moment, I am inclined to vote for AlphaCommando.

I went through with this.

I’m joyous~

NEW RULE! NEW RULE!

When the Valedictorian dies, the “Kill Three” ability cannot be used for 1 more night phase, instead of it not being able to be used at all.

What the hell Monobear?

He’s following canon.

Right now, the mafia roster in my mind are,
The Princess(Confirmed)
The Idol(Confirmed)
The Hall Monitor(Most likely)
The Bookworm(Most likely)
The Otaku(Most likely)

Azure is already killing off the wallflowers so the Mafia lending him a helping hand as they kill off Sumazndude(who I consider a wallflower like myself) leads me to believe that Sumazndude was involved in one of their abilities somehow.
The only mafia investigative/informative role available to them would be the Otaku as our Vigilante, Azure, is the Photographer. Hence, my reasoning on why I listed the Otaku as the final member in the roster of the mafia.

If that’s the case, what good do you think it would do us if the Otaku role claims, or, better yet, if the person who had been contacted by the Otaku verify his allegiance(someone being contacted would confirm that the Otaku used his civ ability, hence the Otaku has to be a civ)?

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Okay I JUST finished reading the rules in the other thread, trying to memorize the roles, AND read every post in this thread twice all the while forming random ideas as I went along took me like 3+ hours so fuck all of you lazy fucks who haven’t/won’t bother to put in the effort needed to win be you mafia or civ but especially civ.

@alphacommando why the fuck did you bother askign CK why he voting for me? I’m the most open minded of people (when you’re a nonstop, blunt chatter box who has a million different thoughts racing across your mind at any given moment being close minded isn’t an option lol) BUT it’s clear he’s just voting me because he’s still salty I exposed him as mafia last game =P. That being said him and @azure being suspicious of me because I’ve been quiet when every other game I’ve been super active and loud and obnoxious isn’t the most unreasonable thought, especially at this stage of the game where he have almost no solid intel.

I have so much to say I’m like mind fucked by all of you I have dozens of contradictory thoughts and suspicions about almost all of you, fuck all of you for making this game already require more work then the entirety of last game :lol:

I think some of you are focusing on the PW/MP shit a little too much, there are other nuggets to be mined from this thread, and more importantly alphacommando has the right idea, we should look at who the mafia leader or valedictorian what the fuck ever would be likely to recruit and go from there, that’s how we won last game.

I have no solid reads from anyone, but at the moment I’m leaning towards AC and @radicalfuzz being civ, although there’s always the “post a bunch of shit that on the surface looks insightful and useful but in reality is fluff” mafia angle they could be going for. As for my top strongest roles? I’ll have to think a bit more but will post before deadline.

Also it wasn’t until AC that I realized kigrirtiiiririririr role is the only hard civ in this game wow how did that slip by me? So for information purposes I’ll ask: What do you guys think the kigiri role should do? PLEASE WHOEVER YOU ARE DON’T FUCKING ROLE CLAIM YET PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

ALSO PSYCHOPATH DONT KILL ANYONE YET DON’T FUCK THIS UP LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO!

This post was interesting to say the least.

On Day 1, Oz, I assumed that you were Togami/Civilian since you “seemed” to know who Genocider is,

ALSO PSYCHOPATH DONT KILL ANYONE YET DON’T FUCK THIS UP LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO!

However, Alpha was revealed to be Sonia/Mafia later on, someone who knows the identity of Genocider at the start of the game. This would also imply that the Mafia knows who Genocider is as well.
And to add to that, Hecatom has role claimed Togami/Civilian, so my theory on you being Togami/Civilian would be unlikely if he was who he claim he is.

That said, I’ll be assuming that you aren’t Togami/Civilian from this point on.
If you aren’t, then I find your familiarity with Genocider odd.

Okay, that was surprising.
Our detective did not investigate?

PS: It’s a rhetorical question, there’s no need for answers.

[pietastic]

I have a hunch I’m following, and I want to get us max info before PW and Azure die and can give us good LGs.

Lynch pietastic

Now it’s on everyone else.

Well, MP, given the current score, I’d humbly suggest that we can’t just lynch on hunches. You’re a confirmed civ and a good player. That combined with your last statement, “Now it’s on everyone else”, suggests to me that you know that, and your lynch vote is not locked Most likely, you want to me to pay attention, and want others to pay attention to me, press me and get more info.

So, bring it on. You know how I play: open, and with no pretense. Do you have questions? We spoke about assigning investigation targets… Right now, on my own, I’d do möbius and cyntalan. Anything else you’d like to hear from me?

[DarkGeneral]

*Part 2 of all of Mobiuses posts incoming shortly. I went over the limit of how many characters were in the first post.

[Missing_Person]

Also, I think Chihiro implicates two people:

orochizoolander
RadicalFuzz

orochi, I don’t think he’d do something so stupid.

RF, I don’t think he’d do it stupidly, but he may unwittingly have dug himself a grave earlier in the thread.

[Missing_Person]

I have a hunch I’m following, and I want to get us max info before PW and Azure die and can give us good LGs.

Lynch pietastic

Now it’s on everyone else.

Well, MP, given the current score, I’d humbly suggest that we can’t just lynch on hunches. You’re a confirmed civ and a good player. That combined with your last statement, “Now it’s on everyone else”, suggests to me that you know that, and your lynch vote is not locked Most likely, you want to me to pay attention, and want others to pay attention to me, press me and get more info.

So, bring it on. You know how I play: open, and with no pretense. Do you have questions? We spoke about assigning investigation targets… Right now, on my own, I’d do möbius and cyntalan. Anything else you’d like to hear from me?

Your death could give me info on HAX, and I think you’re capable of attempting to pin orochi and get away with it.

Plus, you’re generally so safe in lynches. You have managed to get off the table every phase, somehow, yet my eyes keep coming back to you.

And playing out the open doesn’t mean anything. I had a legion of civs eating out of my hands as mafia by playing out in the open. You’re insightful, but so are myself and PW, and we both have used that in our favor to keep from getting killed as mafia before.

[Missing_Person]

Really bad vibes right now.

[DarkGeneral]

*Part 2 of Mobius contributions:

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How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

You can’t say someone didn’t warn you. You at the end of the game and getting triple killed like that in an OHKO, one character perfect sweep. OCV. Ochibi works for this game too with these schoolgirls!

“Suspicion” without your own suspect, reasons and just jumping on a bandwagon is losertalk!

How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

You can’t say someone didn’t warn you. You at the end of the game and getting triple killed like that in an OHKO, one character perfect sweep. OCV. Ochibi works for this game too with these schoolgirls!

“Suspicion” without your own suspect, reasons and just jumping on a bandwagon is losertalk!

Is the Valedictorian a female?

As for the broken tech PW proposed, I stated my opinion on it earlier. I think its better to read players instead of forcing roles to come forward and building a if/then block.

We now know that the Valedictorian is a female, now don’t we?
Honestly, it would be a pretty weak argument, but it’s odd, really~ odd.
I’ll be keeping an eye on WAH from now on.

How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

You can’t say someone didn’t warn you. You at the end of the game and getting triple killed like that in an OHKO, one character perfect sweep. OCV. Ochibi works for this game too with these schoolgirls!

“Suspicion” without your own suspect, reasons and just jumping on a bandwagon is losertalk!

my gurl may have saved me.

Lolwut.
[1] So, me writing my assessment of who I’d take if I were Val, and you disagreeing with it, is your basis for suspicion on me?

[2] How about others who didn’t list the swimmer?

[1] How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

[2] You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

I gave him a question right back to his question. Then explained myself further on why I singled him out for the Swimmer and his ideas on her not being awesome.

**Swimmer is a girl. **I can’t believe I didn’t remember this. I answered his first question then line breaked to answer his second one about the Swimmer + Girl. He put doubt in our minds that Swimmer wasn’t a good pick after all the ideology on how she fits into Pimp Willy’s plan of attack/defense.

Fuck both you scrubs. Your reading comprehension failed this time.

Me, the crazy man, actually did no wrong and the onus is on you for reading that very wrong, so wrong you made up your own idea after the fact, adding onto Alpha’s death, looking for only what you wanted to see. Ignoring any other possibility.

I see, thank you for the clarification. My apologies.

About the stay on OZ’s execution, I suppose 'tis fine as long as we leave Azure to handle it.
We both thought that OZ was Togami/Civilian on Day 1 because of his exuded familiarity with Genocider.

After Hecatom role claimed Togami on Night 2, my theory on OZ is most likely disproved.

If OZ is not mafia, then the chances of him being Luckster #2(Komaeda) is quite high.
This assumption would fit his stance on this game, in my opinion.

Having the Vigilante constantly point a gun on his head instead of the Mafia(his win condition) would illicit quite the reaction from him, I presume.
If he isn’t Komaeda, then I’ll need more information to have a guess on who he is.

What do you guys think of our detective not conducting a investigation on Night 1?
For a moment, put aside the thought that Bious intentionally hid the person our detective investigated to protect that person on the off chance that the mafia did not recruit the Otaku, and thus, have no idea on who had been investigated by our detective.

And we may need to bring back the list of people, and assign jobs

for instance

Mobius
Cyntalan
Pietastic

each person investigates the person below them and delivers a full report

Can’t take care of right this moment, but in a couple hours before I go to bed, I’ll scour for pietastic heavily.

It was just an example list. The real list will be bigger

Just please for the love of God don’t give me WAH.

That would be a herculean task worthy of your cunning, Augustus.

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[Missing_Person]

And pietastic being like lurch going, “You rang?” every time I mention him (without even tagging him) feels off.

[Missing_Person]

AND this is with 15 players left.

right now we have either 3 or 4 mafia left, depending on Co-Jones’s alignment.

that means we are either 10-4-1 or 11-3-1 (Unless the victim counts as civ, then 11-4 and 12-3)

“With the current score lynching off a hunch is a bad idea,” is a terrible conjecture. Normally not something I’d expect pietastic to respond with.

Smells desperate, like first-time-mafia jitters and trying to stay alive.

If anybody confirmed trusted has any reason to not lynch pietastic now, speak now.

[Synonym]

Your death could give me info on HAX, and I think you’re capable of attempting to pin orochi and get away with it.

Plus, you’re generally so safe in lynches. You have managed to get off the table every phase, somehow, yet my eyes keep coming back to you.

And playing out the open doesn’t mean anything. I had a legion of civs eating out of my hands as mafia by playing out in the open. You’re insightful, but so are myself and PW, and we both have used that in our favor to keep from getting killed as mafia before.

Did I miss an alliance between Pie and WAH? To be honest, I can’t tell what WAH has been talking about for the last like two pages.

Also Mobius, feel free to keep an eye on me. I’m happy for everyone to scrutanize me. as long as they look back at my posts and judge me based on that. If I get lynched based on an uninformed bandwagon that’ll make me really sad. Seriously, there’s nothing worse than putting in 40 pages of effort (Seriously guys, what the hell) only to have all your hard work repaid with a lynch vote.

[Missing_Person]

HAX’s day 1 vote was pietastic. Right now, I feel like one or the other is mafia.

[pietastic]

MP: All fair points. Which is why I asked you for your take on my next move to contribute to the cause and ease suspicions that you may have.

On getting summoned, I am indeed reading a lot. There are 40 pages after all, meaning new posts arrive at a pretty quick clip. I also guess that you and I have similar windows of opportunity to post.

Am I wriggling out of lynches? On that, I do again suggest that maybe I’m just not the best target at a given time, given the abundance of wallflowers and people doing downright dumb things (“I want points, bro!”). Since you mentioned HAX, he’s on top of my list right now, actually, for doing the latter. It all seems like a smokescreen, and he’s hoping that posting even more nonsense will get us to say, “Oh, that guy, that;s just HAX being HAX, shucks!” and focus somewhere else. Past that, I’d go for wallflowers, and then I actually do agree with DarkGeneral that some mix of he, Chief, and Mobius are mafia. But I need to do some more research, and there’s plenty of time in this day phase.

I think you’re correct that the mafia likely needed a mastermind to have pulled off their night kill reads, but they also could have just gotten lucky. The more we target the noise and wallflowers, the more contributors and info we have going into the next few days, even if some of those contributions are from mafia. But we can read through those contributions and make an informed judgment, as opposed to keeping wallflowers around and basically guessing when our backs are against the wall. The later in the game it is, the more research becomes powerful, and therefore we maximize our chances to win.

Why do you think lynching me will give info on HAX? And do you think lynching HAX would give you info on me?

[Missing_Person]

Right now, I think you, Chief, and Synonym are the most likely candidates as a mastermind. Cynt maybe as well.

If I had to choose to find the mastermind, I’d lynch in that order, exactly.

[pietastic]

HAX’s day 1 vote was pietastic. Right now, I feel like one or the other is mafia.

So you want to lynch the normal person first, instead of the town drunk?

And yes, I do think lynching off of hunches is a bad idea. It is not a terrible conjecture at all. This lynch is critical. We need to assume that the score is 10-4-1. If we screw up today and Azure screws up tonight, it’s likely 7-4-1 tomorrow. At that point, we are extremely suspectible to the mafia swinging that vote, and putting us in a losing position that we can’t recover from. Is that really such a bad conjecture?

Again, I think you knew that. You’re trying to get me to slip, but guess what? I have nothing to hide. Keep it coming.

[Synonym]

HAX’s day 1 vote was pietastic. Right now, I feel like one or the other is mafia.

Not to try and defend Pietastic, but what makes you suspect him over WAH’s onslaught of posts? Looking at Pie’s contributions at least I’ve understood them on my first read through.

Speaking of, @DarkGeneral will you be offering us an analysis of the posts you’re quoting? You’ve shown great insight previously and I’d love to see your take on Mobius. To be honest, he hasn’t struck me as being suspicious at all. Then again, I said the same last game and it really bit us in the ass.

Also @Missing_Person, what’s made you ease your suspicions on RF?

[Mobius]

Mobius too. You’re playing no different than any other time. Don’t think I haven’t been paying attention to that.

I’ve been quite the same as I was in my previous games, that I can attest to.
If there is no considerable change that could be observed, then I suppose that in itself is note worthy.

*Part 2 of Mobius contributions:

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How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

You can’t say someone didn’t warn you. You at the end of the game and getting triple killed like that in an OHKO, one character perfect sweep. OCV. Ochibi works for this game too with these schoolgirls!

“Suspicion” without your own suspect, reasons and just jumping on a bandwagon is losertalk!

How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

You can’t say someone didn’t warn you. You at the end of the game and getting triple killed like that in an OHKO, one character perfect sweep. OCV. Ochibi works for this game too with these schoolgirls!

“Suspicion” without your own suspect, reasons and just jumping on a bandwagon is losertalk!

Is the Valedictorian a female?

As for the broken tech PW proposed, I stated my opinion on it earlier. I think its better to read players instead of forcing roles to come forward and building a if/then block.

We now know that the Valedictorian is a female, now don’t we?
Honestly, it would be a pretty weak argument, but it’s odd, really~ odd.
I’ll be keeping an eye on WAH from now on.

How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

You can’t say someone didn’t warn you. You at the end of the game and getting triple killed like that in an OHKO, one character perfect sweep. OCV. Ochibi works for this game too with these schoolgirls!

“Suspicion” without your own suspect, reasons and just jumping on a bandwagon is losertalk!

my gurl may have saved me.

Lolwut.
[1] So, me writing my assessment of who I’d take if I were Val, and you disagreeing with it, is your basis for suspicion on me?

[2] How about others who didn’t list the swimmer?

[1] How about learning about that Valedictorian?
(that was my 2nd post you quoted instead for some reason too)

[2] You did more than anyone else did if they just didn’t list her or talk about it at all.

I gave him a question right back to his question. Then explained myself further on why I singled him out for the Swimmer and his ideas on her not being awesome.

**Swimmer is a girl. **I can’t believe I didn’t remember this. I answered his first question then line breaked to answer his second one about the Swimmer + Girl. He put doubt in our minds that Swimmer wasn’t a good pick after all the ideology on how she fits into Pimp Willy’s plan of attack/defense.

Fuck both you scrubs. Your reading comprehension failed this time.

Me, the crazy man, actually did no wrong and the onus is on you for reading that very wrong, so wrong you made up your own idea after the fact, adding onto Alpha’s death, looking for only what you wanted to see. Ignoring any other possibility.

I see, thank you for the clarification. My apologies.

About the stay on OZ’s execution, I suppose 'tis fine as long as we leave Azure to handle it.
We both thought that OZ was Togami/Civilian on Day 1 because of his exuded familiarity with Genocider.

After Hecatom role claimed Togami on Night 2, my theory on OZ is most likely disproved.

If OZ is not mafia, then the chances of him being Luckster #2(Komaeda) is quite high.
This assumption would fit his stance on this game, in my opinion.

Having the Vigilante constantly point a gun on his head instead of the Mafia(his win condition) would illicit quite the reaction from him, I presume.
If he isn’t Komaeda, then I’ll need more information to have a guess on who he is.

What do you guys think of our detective not conducting a investigation on Night 1?
For a moment, put aside the thought that Bious intentionally hid the person our detective investigated to protect that person on the off chance that the mafia did not recruit the Otaku, and thus, have no idea on who had been investigated by our detective.

And we may need to bring back the list of people, and assign jobs

for instance

Mobius
Cyntalan
Pietastic

each person investigates the person below them and delivers a full report

Can’t take care of right this moment, but in a couple hours before I go to bed, I’ll scour for pietastic heavily.

It was just an example list. The real list will be bigger

Just please for the love of God don’t give me WAH.

That would be a herculean task worthy of your cunning, Augustus.

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Make the most of it, DarkGeneral.
However, you missed some of my posts though, so I doubt this is the complete set.

Last phase, the way Pietastic chimed in from time to time was note worthy.

So, I did some research on C_K’s posts to figure out how suspicious he is. Turns out, pretty damn suspicious. I apologize if I reiterate some of PW’s points (and points from others)… I’m providing my own interpretation of his most critical points to date. To wit:

C_K has chosen to RC the gamer, and state that he’s civ. This is either the truth or a moderately effective smokescreen, since it’s unlikely mafia would have selected the gamer. However, there is some stuff in his posting history that is inconsistent with how a civ with the gaming role would act, and some other suspicious behavior in his posts.

Below begins a subtle RC, but the whole asking for protection is nonsense. Asking for protection is folly anyway, and if you’re a civ gamer… are you really that important that you need to survive? Later on even he acknowledges that role is not super important, so this request and statement are inconsistent. It could be that he’s mafia and trying to divert the medic so they can make a kill on a more important player.

Spoiler

I’m asking for a protect tonight please.

I guarentee, you’ll won’t regret having me as an extra man in this game.

Below, we have some sniping between him and Azure, culminating with CK threatening to change Azure’s kill. However, the civ gamer can’t steer the vigi kill. Only the mafia one. Again, inconsistency.

Spoiler

I am stacked better than the Swimmer.

The hell you are. For comparison, Asahina:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/lMleKm7.png

And here’s Koizumi, the Paparazzi:

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http://i.imgur.com/0Qg36yK.png

If I can change my kill for tonight, I’ll change it to you.

So you’ve already locked? Is that what you are leading us to believe?

And since you are being so honest, Mind telling us who you targeted?

I am allowed to recalibrate my sites, up until 7 a.m. per Godots, via PM.

I will state my lock on when I stop vacillating.

Nervous much?

Because if you Made the wrong decision you are going to force my hand.

Other random stuff that stuck out to me:

Spoiler

Lynch oz

Gonna be hilarious if this plays out like I think.

I FUCKING KNEW IT!

LYNCH. OZ, LYNCH DARK GENERAL

LYNCH AZURE.

Lynch me?

Why?

Because you were one of the people that jumped to an AC defense.

Where?

Read comprehension.

Learn it, use it. :tup:

Did you not gang up against me with Dark General right after I said something about AC or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken.

So very mistaken.

I know who Togami is.

I am sure of it.

He needs to come out.

Rechecked you did get at me a bit after dark general.

You are being Marked #3 in this mob. I hope dps comes through and just crits your whole shit up along with Dark General.

More weird, suspicious sniping with Azure.

Welp, if I’m dead tonight you’ll understand why. Can I get a protect for my troubles?

More medic protection requests…

just providing a reply to a suspicion and you now know that i’m here… and i’m not trying to cry “I’M MAFIA”

NO you are crying civilian, like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Going really hard after SAD here.

OK, I actually found some interesting OZ stuff with some research. Nothing really resembling a role claim, save for one post I provide below. A LOT of bitching about how long the thread is, how he’s overwhelmed right now but will eventually contribute, etc. It’s pretty suspicious to me, but I agree that it’s also so off-the-wall that it could be pain meds. But right now I’m thinking it’s suspicious, because as PW always says, this is a game of DECEPTION.

Suspicious stuff:

Spoiler

@radicalfuzz GTFO, “didn’t see it” just because I asked a question? man I just told you I spent 3+ hours on this thread I wanted to know you you and others wanted him not why I should vote for him myself. And I thought you were joking guess not but my answer to your question is darkgeneral would get dat vote with the quickness.

@azure Interesting.

Looks like MP is dead, okay I’m voting Pimp Willy…it will spark some interesting debate between us next round, and on the off chance he is mafia and gets more votes n dies then woot. Also who the fuck decided to make 5 players mafia instead of 4? that’s over 25% as someone said before these powers really skew things in ways we can’t comprehend until we progress but numbers alone HEAVILY favor mafia.

Oh we have to PM vote to GR…hmm interesting well I’ll hold off until 9:30 just to see what PW has to say for himself =).

Also if MP dies and is confirmed ghost civ, and assuming only 1 medic is mafia then maybe the UC should roleclaim THEN and we can protect him with a combo of powers as suggested earlier? just a thought to throw out there ** UC DO NOT EXPOSE YOURSELF THIS IS A BRAIN FART PLEASE DON’T BE DUMB…ESPECIALLY YOU PSYCHOPATH DON’T USE YOUR POWER TILL UR SURE!**

there really needs to be direction given to those helpful to civs.

Everyone lynching alphacommando? If he is mafia we’re fucked :lol:

Potential RC stuff (not that I know what it means):

Spoiler

Soooooo I have to choose between a game full of otaku fags or DnD fags…hmmmm I choose the dark souls mafia game option. JK =P Don’t lynch me!

Everyone voted for MP I mean I’ll just be hopping on the band wagon at this point, I’d like to look to the future before vote results come in. If MP is civ is PW lynched next just to cover bases? is he exonerated? I’m trying to play this game out long term not just see what’s immediately ahead.

This was a pattern I observed on how he played.
Is this a play style you’re trying to develop, Pietastic?
It seems effective, C_K was lynched last phase.

[Missing_Person]

My predicament is that I can’t lock a lynch vote at all, being dead and the like, so i have to hope that I can convince fellow civs that I may be onto something.