It’d probably be worse, most of the pokemon that get banned have higher win rates the higher in the rankings you go. People who suck don’t know how to build synergistic teams, don’t know how to hold things till their counters are gone etc… You probably won’t see 6-0 sweeps, but you probably see them killing at LEAST 2 things per game, or killing one and injuring another, or punching very important holes(MGar).
the gen obviously has problems, it’s the same as last gen just without weather
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!! STUNFISK IS TOTALLY LEGIT!!!
Runs out of thread crying and flailing arms
Seriously though, I love how this two-month old metagame is already considered shitty by some… Gamefreak came in like Stone Cold Steve Austin, dropped a Stone Cold Stunner on everything Smogon holds dear, and then popped up the double middle finger and rode their pickup truck right out of the arena.
Now the Smogonites are all losing their shit over having “their metagame” shitted all over…
EDIT: I’d rather face Talonflame/Mega Kangaskhan/Mega Pinsir/Mega Blaziken/Mega Gengar/Mega Mewtwo Y all at once than see another Politoed/Kingdra/Ferrothorn/Rotom-W/Scizor/Latios team ever again…
“NOW GIMME A HELL YEAH!”***
no no no, this gen is not as stupid as last gen, thankfully
po, you’re not providing any evidence as to why these things have been banned outside of “oh, i have no trouble with it, therefore it can’t be broken”
I’m probably cutting Sign-Ups for this tournament off next Tuesday FYI. If you’re on the fence about playing come and join!
Talonflame and MegaPinsir have different roles and aren’t comparable other than the fact that they can kill stuff. Talonflame is a revenge killer/ glass cannon meant to punch holes in teams then die, while MegaPinsir is a relatively bulky sweeper that can actually 6-0 an unprepared team and even take 2 or more Pokemon out on a decent team.
And why do you assume Po Pimpus is dumb enough to leave Stunfisk out on anything that kill it, especially Grass types that wall it? Stunfisk is obviously not high on the Pokemon totem pole, but it doesn’t mean if used correctly it still can’t do its job.
weather wars were cool.
especially because rain always won.
stunfisk is terrible and is more likely a liability on your team, use it if you want, it probably won’t do much to help unless the person you play is bad
how are megapinsir and talonflame not comparable?
really good priority flying attacks? check
takes 50% from SR? check
shitty defensive typings? check
can use swords dance to bolster attack? check
seriously, the do almost identical things, and talonflame also has a recovery move, something pinsir lacks
they can be dealt with in almost identical ways, can play almost identical roles, and run pretty much identical sets, seriously
For someone showing up on a Fighting Game forum, you show a shocking lack of understanding of the fact that even a slight and subtle difference between two characters can change things completely.
pokemon is not fighting games
No, however Pokemon is just as sensitive to subtle changes as Fighting Games are.
when they’re handled in almost the same way? you can literally play them in the same way and talonflame has more options to run
This right here is why Smogon can’t deal with anything that upsets the delicate balance of that entry hazard ridden, switch-fest they call a metagame…
Everything that doesn’t have 150 in both offenses and 120 base speed is terrible and if you use it you are terrible and the people you play are terrible because you don’t use the “metagame in a can” Smogon standard sets and mons.
Clearly I am a fool for employing Stunfisk and Avalugg instead of Tyranitar and Ferrothorn, and anyone I beat with them is clearly a scrub.
I apologize for wasting the time of the thread with my postulations on an infantile metagame that has barely had time to develop…
You ask for evidence as to why I believe these mons are not broken, but the only evidence I have is my own personal experiences and encounters, which, of course, will be written off by Smogoners as “not scientific enough,” while they run around playing theory craft with their precious numbers and calculations*(because God forbid someone create their own personal EV spreads and movesets)*.
This game has gotten quite tiresome. You believe Smogon’s word to be law, and I say thee nay. I am not slave to numbers and theory. You see an impenetrable wall, something that needs to go, I see an obstacle to overcome and grow from.
You trust the Smogon OU Tiering Council(that’s the actual name, lol) to be trustworthy keepers of the sanctity of Pokemon competition, while I know them to be a bunch of scrubs with a superiority complex who can’t handle change and dismiss alternative ideas as beneath them, then go out of their way to belittle and discredit any who dare be so foolish as to oppose them.
So please, continue to wax and wane over how broken Mega Whatever is, and take solace in the fact that the rest of your colony’s hive mind will robotically nod their heads along with you and ban whatever threatens them and silence any who speak out otherwise.
I, however, will continue to play the actual fucking game and plot, plan, think creatively, and dance to the beat of my own drum. I will see a Mega Whatever, and if I can’t punch it in the face before the Fusion Dance, you can be damn sure that I will wear it down and overcome it… and if I can’t, I won’t cry, “broken”… I will simply say, “good game” and keep it moving.
Why didn’t anyone tell me that Choice Band Scizor w/ Bullet Punch hits like a fucking tank!? http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-69324336
I’m the guy running Mandibuzz and Excadrill because why not (Excadrill is there in case I can no longer defog I can still at least rapid spin)?
Which is why you wouldn’t run them the same way just like you wouldn’t play Ken the same way as Ryu.
Of the four things you mentioned, really the only thing that actually holds merit for true similarity is the fact that they both have strong STAB Priority Flying Moves. Being uber weak to SR? Okay, it’s not such an uncommon trait these days. Can use Swords Dance? Okay?
Their stats are completely different for one. Talonflame is an uber speed demon/glass cannon who needs those high powered moves to truly make a dent but also has the actual ability to use a hold item (or to not use one if running Acrobatics). MegaPinsir is already incredibly strong in attack and has a lot better coverage and also has the benefit of increased bulk.
You certainly CAN run them the same if you wish, but that would be disingenuous and stupid. You certainly don’t run Gliscor and Landorus the same way. You don’t run Infernape and Blaziken the same way. If a Poke have similar abilities to one another you take advantage of…well, their advantages over the other pokes.
MegaPinsir is meant for sweeping. Come in at the right time, wreck entire teams and just simply end matches but you want to keep him out there thus a Spinner/Defogger helps to keep his vitality high. Talonflame is one of the best wallbreakers and potential Revenge Killers in the game. Stealth Rock hurts him less because he only needs to come in once or twice and kill something off or make it hurt. Talonflame doesn’t need to live that long unless you’re saving him for a certain counter. Could Talonflame sweep? Sure, if the opponent is low on checks or counters on it. Could MegaPinsir Wallbreak? Of course, it hits hard enough and 105 Base Speed can certainly get the job done if need be. But you’d be lessening what they’re best at.
please show me something that stops mega kangaskhan, show me, cause i’m having a hard time finding something that reliable stops mega kanga that isn’t sableye (which coincidentally, my teams fucks up), something cause i’m running out of option
blaziken was only stopped by azumarill and talonflame, seriously, it did it’s job too fucking well and basically gave you the game if you made a mistake
mega gengar had no counters, you best hope was to guess what moves it had and hope you guessed right, this wouldn’t be so bad if it didn’t have 30 viable moves, on top of that, it could allow something else to sweep way too easily
mega kangaskhan 2HKOs multiscale lugia with return, MULTISCALE LUGIA, the msot physically defensive pokemon in existence, not even arceus can claim such a thing
oh you wanna bring quagsire into the mix, well too bad cause there’s a chance to OHKO him with return, no boosts or anything
she can run a special set better that starmie can, this is a physical sweeping doing the special sweeping better than a special sweeper
she gets seismic toss and wish after pokebank, so after pokebank, it’ll be able to 2HKO 90% of all pokemon, that’s balanced, sure
i’m am not going to discredit you as a battler, we have no idea how good the other is, other people do, but we do not, so i am not going to discredit you nor your creativity you show in your team building (as it’s pretty damn good)
but while you can claim these things to be balanced because you have found some strategy that no one seems to have found out, please share so i can change my mind and see how it works, i don’t want all of these things to be broken but its’ no fun when there’s only a select few pokemon who can handle them and most of them are liabilities that usually require team support (except for azu and talonflame who like i said, mask a lot of the problems)
i’m tempted to run lando-I/thund-I/blaziken/mega kanga/genesect/talonflame in a tournament if i can get the legendaries legit as i don’t see anything that can really stop that team as you probably need half a team to stop each one, it’s dumb, gay, whatever you name it but god damn, i could probably roll my face over the buttons and win cause of how god damn stupid each of those pokes run
but seriously, please show me your methods (i really need to make my showdown team on my cartridge cause it’s real solid), i don’t want everything to be banned but some shit does need to go to make the game better
i’m not trying to be a dick, i actually want to see your strategies
What was the reasoning Smogon community decided to ban mega kangaskhan?
Where were you the past 2 gens?
Or Gen 5? Really, Banded Scizor has been doing this for a while.
Uninterested in Pokemon in general. I dropped in every now and again to see how the metagame shaped up (as in, I dabbled for about a week then quit) and then I’d go back to playing my 360 24/7.
I don’t have a console anymore so it’s pretty much this, yugioh, and novels taking up the majority of my time.
Edit: Here is some more of my scrubbery. Heres my Mega Pinsir taking on an entire team by himself because of my earlier missplays (I even missplayed him at first because I forgot to quick attack to get the moxie boost, then megaevolve afterwards).