SRK Competitive Pokemon Battling Thread: Logoghoul and White Shadow Win! Bye Gen 6!

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Okay, so I’ve been trolling around Smogon…and they’ve just put up a ban Mega Khan thread.

40 people (in under 10 minutes mind you) liked a post that said “Khan is a fucking broken piece of shit”. LOLOLOL. Maybe I just suck or I wasn’t using him right (probably this, as I wasn’t running sucker punch, but fake-out instead)…but everytime I used him he eventually got revenge killed.

On the flip side, everytime I’ve faced him I easily predicted the switch and set up swords dance with life orb chomp followed with an EQ or predicted the switch, switched in Mega Lucario said, “Fuck this shit” and Close Combated the fuck out of her (which, not surprisingly happened to me 80% of the time when I ran Khan (on Pokemon Showdown by the way)).

1542

To be honest, I’d rather face Mega Khan than Mega Pinsir because I have no idea what the fuck to do against a Mega Pinsir that hits almost as hard as fucking Mega Lucario.

Mega Pinsir has too many fucking shenanigans IMO.

1543

That ban is probably going through. From what I’ve seen they hate it.

I feel like most Mega’s in general are probably going to get banned by them due to slippery slope. I’m surprised no one tried that for Pinsir, but I assume Stealth Rocks are their reasoning for now.

1544

Khan’s biggest enemy was mega gengar and blaziken. I really don’t think we need to go into discussion about Smogon’s policys again. We don’t even have blaze banned on this website so what is the point of talking about it here.

The place to argue the ban is on that website in that thread.

1545

lol I’ve said it before, MegaPinsir scares me more than any MegaBlaziken, Kanga, and Gengar. Once you see it appear (and if the opponent is smart) it will be killing something. The power boost from Aerialate on turn one is nothing to joke with, even if you resist Flying it feels like Pinsir has Tinted Lens or something.

Stealth Rock isn’t a even a real issue because from what I’ve seen it’s very easy for Pinsir (pre-transformation) to come in and commit its entire lifespan to slaughtering your team in Mega form. Plus, its respectable bulk ensures it will be surviving most neutral attacks anyways. If anyone Mega Evolves Pinsir early in the round and lets it soak damage they’re playing it wrong. PERIOD.

1546

Technically, with Aerilate, it does have a Tinted Lens-like boost, as all Normal attacks become Flying type and get a 33% power boost… If that Pinsir comes in late game and gets a Swords Dance/Moxie boost before going Mega, you better pray you have a Talonflame or a bulky ass Rock type in the back, because that thing is gonna kill you. and it can have Rock and Fighting type attacks on deck for those guys

Not unstoppable, but certainly a top tier threat for sure. Keep crying about the Kangaroo, Smogon, while Kuwagamon is ripping and tearing things apart… It will probably be on the chopping block next once they get through with their farcical kangaroo court on Mega Khan.

1547

if it runs a set of something like quick attack/fighting type move/rock type move/earthquake, it can hit pretty hard.

scarf rotom W seems like a pretty good check, resisting quick attack 40x1.33x1.5 = 80 / 2 is 40 overall. volt switch probably hits it hard, WoW hurts it too.

a lot of pokemon are great revenge killers, m pinsir is no exception. as with all non-fire-immune physical attackers, it can be WoW’d etc.

anyway http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oubeta-69152593 no idea what this guy was doing, had to look up assist. looked up random assist based teams. weird move. imposter ditto is scary ;_; i probably should have lost, but i think he forgot m gyara has mold breaker dohoho

1548

please tell me something that stops megakanga outside of sableye and cofagrigus, it’s come down to running either of those pokemon, rocky helmet on almost everything, and revenge killing it

it’s so freaking easy to use, you can probably roll your face on your DS and probably win, bulldancer has a special set going that 2HKOs almost everything

it has 105/100/100 bulk, that’s more than celebi and jirachi naturally, it also only has one weakness, good luck getting a 2HKO on any non-fighting move

mega gengar got OHKO’d by crunch, that was barely a thing to stop it, blaziken could also only revenge kill it and if it didn’t have protect (which was missing from a good number of sets), it got raped, but these are completely different beasts all together and i won’t go into any more detail about these

he’s seriously dumb, way too easy to sweep people with, and has freaking awesome coverage in just 3 moves

megapinsir can’t hold a candle to this stupid fucking kangaroo mother, he can’t break through subs, focus sash, and sturdy like mega kanga, he doesn’t have the coverage like mega kanga does

mega kanga is overcentralizing like a mother fucker right now, running super gimmicky sets and rocky helmet on everything just to deal with it, it’s way too easy to sweep people with

i’ve never found mega pinsir that bad, i find talonflame to be way worse, but i deal with both in similar ways (send in something that resists flying, scare it with SE attack), but my team could just handle these pokemon very well also

seriously, mega kanga is really fucking good, it even has no problems with 252/252+ Lugia (at +2 it’s an easy 2HKO, while lugia can’t OHKO back) and we all know how fucking bulky lugia is

seriously, this thing should be gone forever, never to come back

1549

run imposter ditto :smiley:

1550

ditto doesn’t work if mega kanga is at full life

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 280-330 (95.8 - 113%) – 75% chance to OHKO
that’s mega kanga against a ditto, as ditto only deals this
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 280-330 (79.7 - 94%) – guaranteed 2HKO

both are OHKO’d by return at +2 anyways so it’s a guessing game, if mega kanga doesn’t PuP before ditto comes in, it wins 100% of the time as PuP to sucker punch is a KO

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 141-168 (56.7 - 67.7%) – 100% chance to 2HKO

ditto is a pretty bad revenge killer on mega kanga

it’s also really dumb that special kanga is entirely viable

1551

Here’s a battle of me dealing with a mega khan. I’m scrub tier so if I can do this…

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-69222959

1552

you mean you revenge killed it, as that’s the only option, he’s also using fake out, which is a bad move on mega kanga (slows momentum)

that proves nothing

1553

I asked this in the X&Y thread, but it might be better suited here.

When you guys EV train your Pokemon (assuming they have the beneficial nature for what you’re trying to do with said Pokemon), do you train the stats that are positively affected by the nature or do you tend to spread the EV’s out to the stats that have no help from a beneficial nature? Or is it just pretty situational?

For example, if I was trying to get my hands on an Adament Heracross, since his base Attack is already pretty decent, would you guys either EV train his Attack stat into oblivion or maybe put a lot into his speed since it’s at least halfway decent as well?

I’m asking because I’m starting to question my training methods. Instead of maxing out inherently good stats on a Poke, maybe I should spread out their training a little more often.

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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-69240449
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-69242527

Idk there is so much evidence that points to the contrary, even for guessing right you take auto 50% from seismic toss.

EDIT: It’s broken but nobody accounts for other sets they could run, they would usually be correct but…

1555

Oh I know that already, same thing with Pixilate and Refrigerate. The difference is Tinted Lens only works when and attack is resisted, and then the power is doubled, Aerialate’s 33% boost is always active. Other Skarm and a handful of other Pokes, MegaPinsir is pretty hard to wall.

1556

Speaking of, Talonflame is only on my team because I need a Kanghaskhan counter. He is literally up there for no other reason…

1557

Maybe the reason why I don’t have the problems everyone else seems to have is because of my team setups… I’ve had more trouble with Mega Pinsir than any other Mega to date, but I usually have a Talonflame, or an Azumarill, and really bulky dudes on deck…
For example, I have a Stunfisk who just lols and trolls while paralyzing and lowering accuracy who has given 0 fucks about anything that is thrown at it… Funny thing is, everyone is always running around talking about how “stall is dead,” yet my dudes are tanking a ton of shit and passively wearing teams down… and defensive play has never been my forté.

I’m not going to continue this discussion from here, because its playing out exactly like Saitsu said it would over at that other place, and all I can do is laugh and shake my head.

For all the numbers and hypothetical pondering they do, all the bans come down to is, "It makes me have to play differently than what I’m used to, and I don’t like it, so it needs to go."

1558

No disrespect intended or anything, but these replays just show bad players losing to Kangaskhan. PS should have a replays by rank option like SFIV.

I still don’t think she should be banned just yet, but I don’t really care that much.

1559

burn it then revenge with scarf ditto ! dohoho

1560

what mega kangaskhan player is going to let you burn it? and like i said, ditto loses if megakanga doesn’t use PuP before ditto comes in, also, if you burn a mega kanga, the ditto comes in with burned stats

also, mega pinsir is actually entirely outclassed by talonflame, the only difference is that earthquake is a better coverage move than flare blitz when combined with a flying move but still, talonflame outclasses megapinsir

talonflame is ridiculous and one of the only things that keeps the metagame in check, it really hides a lot of problems that are presented, priority brave bird is really freaking dumb (thank god he’s walled by a shit ton of pokemon)

stunfisk sucks dick, don’t even bring him up, he’s a liability on teams, if they don’t blast your stunfisk with a grass or water move, your opponent is an idiot

i run a bulky team, i have a replay on showdown that has me taking up like 50-60 turns, my team can take a hit, i refuse to run hyper offense cause my bulky team is way cooler, still doesn’t mean that mega kangaskhan is broken as shit

mega kangaskhan is only walled by sableye and cofagrigus, that’s it, nothing more, even fucking lugia can’t wall it, oh and to make it worse, when pokebank comes out, we also get heatran and what does heatran do? ruining those ghost motherfuckers to the ground so megakanga can bash our heads in with seismic toss which 2HKOs everything under 95 base HP (when accounting for leftovers), do i need to mention he’s a bitch to straight up OHKO to the point where even landorus-T can’t do it with superpower, yes, a pokemon with 145 base attack cannot OHKO mega kangaskhan with a 120 BP fighting move while he gets OHKO’d by a +1 return (and this is a premier physical wall in the game)

oh, you think rocky helmet saves you? wouldn’t it be a shame if he could have some sort of special attack that 2HKOs those pokemon…OH WAIT, he does. Fire blast and ice beam 2HKO garchomp, ferrothorn, and skarmory (the three most common rocky helmet pokemon) no problem, even if mega kanga runs adamant

forcing everyone to run some form of a rocky helmet pokemon, sableye/cofagrigus, and talonflame on a team is absurd, that’s half your team dedicated to dealing with megakanga cause if you don’t run all of that, mega kanga rapes you, straight up, all he needs is one PuP to do so and the combination of return, sucker punch, and his coverage move will take care of the rest

talonflame masks so many problems this gen it’s not even funny, it’s the best revenge killer to ever exist and there’s a reason why it’s number 1 in usage right now