SRK Competitive Pokemon Battling Thread: Logoghoul and White Shadow Win! Bye Gen 6!

General Discussion
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LOL @ doing calcs for unreleased Pokemon… Does anybody else see how silly that is?

LOL @ writing off other Megas because you’re waiting for someone else to be good with them so you can copy them and eventually call them broken and stupid too.

Mega Mewtwo Y has not so awesome defense. A Sucker Punch hurts it real bad. Mewtwo X would be more dangerous if it could learn a Fighting attack more powerful than Brick Break.

Besides, I’d argue that it wouldn’t be Mewtwo if it weren’t over-powered…

I’m with Saitsu-- either ban all Megas or don’t. Because that’s where all this shit was headed from the moment Mega Blaziken High Jump Kicked Mood4Food’s team into oblivion week one.

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Mega Pinsir has insane bulk, is pretty quick, has swords dance and an STAB quick attack that gets turned to a better typing.

I’ve been swept by one of those on plenty of occasions.

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My current opinions on the Mega Evos are that it gives previously mediocre pokemon (for some) some actual usage that would otherwise leave those pokemon in the dark.

Say, if Mega Kanga never got the mega evo, I would abolutely guarantee that no one not many people would use her. A pokemon gets something to compete with the top tiers, and now people are afraid that their precious top tier pokemon is getting shitted on by a previously low-tier pokemon…

Pokemon like Mega Gengar have even more options now, but that’s a GOOD THING because now people have to THINK.

But isn’t thinking bad???

It’s just people being lazy. None of the Mega Evos (so far) are too powerful to warrant a ban. There’s a reason they’re MEGA versions of themselves, they’re intended to be obvious power buffs to compensate for something that they’re lacking.

I’ll post individual thoughts on every Mega Evo available another time.

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@Mood4food MegaVenusaur can mitigate its lack of Lefties with a myriad of recovery options: Giga Drain, Leech Seed, Synthesis.

MegaPinsir can easily sweep entire teams and can take a hit. As for its typing, a good player pretty much only has to introduce it mid-late game once it’s safe.

I find it interesting that MegaPinsir has brought me closer to oblivion than MegaBlaziken, MegaKangaskhan and MegaGengar has, but you don’t see its devastating potential.

And I’m not even arguing whether or not the aforementioned Megas are broken, just that the underused
Megas have niches this infantile metagame is still blind to. I’ve watched this trend for 4 gens.

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Alot of the grass, dark, and steel types didn’t have a chance with Blaziken still legal. The reason I do want it banned is pretty arbitrary though imo: 1. Type variety is more encouraged 2. It slows down this hyper offensive metagame, making some of the defensive sets more usable.

Nobody was running Ferrothorn, Scizor, Genesect, Lucario, Metagross, Mega Mawile, Excadrill, Durant, Heatran or any others I forgot to mention with Blaziken still legal.

His existence negated an entire typing. Because if Blaziken switched into a steel type, you either switch out or risk the OHKO. If Blaziken predicted right it was “Swords Dance, +2, lol get bodied nigga!”

None of the steel types have an answer to Blaziken OR Mega Blaziken. At first I was with the “He’s not so broken side”, but I got to see his effects on the metagame with and without him. And so far its been more fun…

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megapinsir is awesome, it’s literally the bug/flying typing that holds it back, aerialate is an awesome ability (high powered quick attack and return fucking hurt), you’re just going to need a spinner

i was just seeing how stupid megalati@s would be, and seriously…they’re going to be fucking stupid, and i didn’t even change lati@s stats, just their abilities and typing for latias, they get some stupid shit, i was curious

not all megas are bad, just gengar’s and kangaskhan’s, the others are manageable, why ban megamawile?

megavenusaur really misses the lefties, i’ve used it, it’s pretty damn good but it really wants those lefties

i can’t even defend megakanga to stay, that thing is so god damn stupid, it’s usually taking 3 pokemon to just bring her down, it’s not that their getting shitted on by a low tier pokemon, it’s because we literally haven’t found anything to beat it when it’s to the point where you can roll your face over the buttons and win with that thing, no skill, just press attack and win, this thing should be the first to go (and someone pointed out that it’ll get dumber when pokebank comes as it gets both wish and seismic toss)

i’ve used them and played against them, nothing has stood out yet and i even tried megascizor and choice band scizor does his job better

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As far as Mega Gengar, get the fuck outta here, learn to play scrubs, and get on this pursuit action.

Gengar can be trapped.

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The only one I really don’t like is Mega Gengar. When he comes in on a poke he can beat it almost gurantees I am going to lose that pokemon then he just comes back later. There isn’t really counter play to that as much as Po keeps saying he doesn’t actually list a counter. It is not easy to 1hko either. The best answer is probably predicting the switch with excadril (which he will never switch into) or mega khan.

I don’t have a huge problem with blaziken or khan since I have killed them both on multiple occasions. I don’t know what to do with Gengar when he is played PROPERLY.

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Because Gengar is a Mega from right when the match starts, right? Last time I checked, all these dudes need a turn to go Super Saiyan. Use that turn to punch faces, or set-up and then punch faces… and don’t give me that shit about how Gengar is this unpredictable god, either… If you’ve been playing long enough, you know damn well when its about to show its face. “Hmm, my opponent is likely to use a Fighting/Normal/Ground attack? Go go Gengar!”

Hell, I even called attention to the fact that people would be using Protect/Sub/Fake Out to buy a turn for Mega Evolving weeks before the game came out, but no one listened… Inner Focus/Roar/Whirlwind/Infiltrator/Feint**insert but its a shitty weak move/ability excuse here* *don’t exist, right?

As for Blaziken shitting on Steels… Wasn’t a major complaint of the last two gens that Steels+Dragon was too damn prevalent? For all the “overcentralizing” talk, people sure do love seeing Ferrothorn and Scizor on every team along with their BFFs Garchomp, the Lati@s duo, and that stupid Washing Machine Volt Switching and U-Turning everywhere… SMDH

They give you a dude who murks Steels for free, and you send him to the Shadow Realm so we get to do that shit all over again? FUCK. THAT. NOISE.

It’s also funny that Ferrothorn is one of the better switch-ins to Mega Kangaskhan and it loses to who? Oh yeah, that Big Chicken that everyone is so afraid of that also beats up the Kangaroo if it gets too uppity with a High Jump Kick that gets ignored by who? Oh, that Smiling Ghost who loves trapping and killing problems who gets trolled by who? That Haunted Sword who no sells his trap and priority snipes his ass that loses to who? Oh that’s right, Kanga and Roo who lose to… Insert recording of Circle of Life here

Dammit, you guys got me arguing this shit again… Curse you, Bious!

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Pretty much Po and others summed it up perfectly.

People getting too comfy with their cookie-cutter sets that let them derp their way to victory. Once something forces them out of their comfort zone, people panic and want it gone!

Screw that, I welcome the changes in open arms and will gladly like to play against powerful opponents. It allows me to THINK and plan for a strategy OUTSIDE THE BOX that will deal with the opponent.

People are just lazy.

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talonflame is like the one thing keeping a lot of these stupid mons in check…priority brave bird is stupid

he doesn’t just shit on steels, he sets up the other members of his team effortlessly, he doesn’t need to do the sweeping when something like garchomp or even azumarill can do it for him, this is what makes him problematic, he can sweep but he can let others do the sweeping for him

steels+dragons aren’t as prevalent as they were last gen, fairies really spiced things up, a lot of them suffer from 4MSS (especially dragonite), and the only steel types that i’m seeing often are scizor and aegislash, sometimes magnezone and megamawile, ferro is pretty rare now

they’re not as big of a deal as they were before, making blaziken’s job even easier

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it’s silly to get butt hurt over people condescending to you when you have been saying stuff like this all along and continue to.

I’m super tired of that argument, heck one of you pulled it on bull dancer earlier like a page after he threw up his Alomomola build.

Pretty much all the megas are powerful and interesting in their own ways. I vote yes to bannin mega khan, mega gengar, and blaziken, I doubt we’ll see anything else banned until pokebank where I hope Genesect goes away. I’m happy to play anyone who wants to use those pokemon, but I don’t think they make for a healthy tournament environment.

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We don’t even have the full roster yet, why the fuck are we trying to decide on bans already besides people getting tired of like the same 3 people endlessly banging on about them?

I’d go for keeping them simply because we are acting like the kids crying for Sentinel nerfs on day one in MVC3 before people figured out how to serve his ass.

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Blaziken was a god send to the Gen V metagame and smogon was foolish to get rid of him. Sad thing is, even Blaziken couldn’t clean up the Dragons that ran rampant so running steel with impunity was the smart move.

With dragons getting another weakness and megas existing, encouraging players to move something that was a higher level of thing than dragons and steel types, and with non-permanent rain which used to cut Blaziken’s flare blitz power, Blaziken was effectively buffed in this current meta-game.

With less players running dragons than ever before and megas existing, with Steel getting a hardcore nerf and becoming neutral to ghost and dark priority moves, Blaziken is no longer a necessary force in the current game.

If the only thing that can beat a pokemon is a speed boost Blaziken, then something must be obviously too strong about that Pokemon.

But enough about Blaziken, post your teams niggas, we need to start making new sets for all these Pokemon, alot of that Smogon mess is outdated. I’ll start posting sets I’ve created for previous OU pokemon.

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Ninetales (F) @ Heat Rock
Trait: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)

  • Fire Blast
  • Solar Beam
  • Hypnosis
  • Will-O-Wisp

Just to give you an idea of how good this works against water types, he’s not only unburnable by Rotom W, but he is 3HKO’d by Rotom’s Hydro pump. He’s also unburnable, and I literally spam hypnosis when a Rotom is switched on me and solar beam him to death. Stealth rock weakness hurts sometimes, but he’s short lived anyway. Sets up 7 turns of weather and can cripple slower physical attackers like Tyranitar with Will-O-Wisp. Premier weather starter, and does his job well for Mega Houndoom.

Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

  • Draco Meteor
  • Thunderbolt
  • Hidden Power [Fire]
  • Ice Beam

The Lati-bros haven’t gotten too much of a nerf, and inflicts super effective damage upon everything. Watch in amazement as your opponent thinks that you are going to choice meteor him, just to smack him with a super effective ice beam or HP fire. Scizor is 100% by a HP fire. A special defense oriented Scizor is OHKO’d in the sun, but beware, other than that, it might end as a 2HKO.

Scizor (F) @ Assault Vest
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

  • U-turn
  • Superpower
  • Bullet Punch
  • Pursuit

This is a slightly modified version of Scizors standard Choice Band set, U-Turning is his main thing, but this is a utility counter to things such as Chansey, Blissey or Tyranitar. Is also used to revenge kill a Latios or Latias at 100% health and used to pursuit kill a Gengar running rampant while taking minimum amounts of damage. Kills things like Terrakion and Manoswine also.

Kangaskhan (F) @ Kangaskhanite
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

  • Power-Up Punch
  • Earthquake
  • Fire Punch
  • Sucker Punch

While Kanga is still legal, this is the set to use. If his Sucker Punch is resisted and won’t fully KO a threat, the extra HP allows him to take an extra hit and counter with a move that will. Earthquake is an Aegislash counter and fire punch is for foes/steel types that would otherwise wall this set. Sleep inducers are the reason for early bird over Scrappy.

Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)

  • Cosmic Power
  • Stored Power
  • Magic Coat
  • Wish

This cute little threat gains temporary magic bounce with Magic Coat and due to its defensive typing, can accumulate boosts on things such as a Lucario. If it boosts, not knowing that Clefable has unaware, it can runaway sweep with Stored Power if your opponent isn’t running a dark pokemon, or you killed him. Wish gives Clefable functionality beyond sweeping, allowing one to safely switch in a pokemon.

Azelf @ Focus Sash
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

  • Stealth Rock
  • Explosion
  • U-turn
  • Thunder Wave

Kills so good and sets up stealth rock and inflicts status like a champ. Explosion fucking hurts and kills things that doesn’t resist it. Iirc, if Rotom-W stays in against this thing, its an OHKO. Suicide lead taken to a new extreme.

U-Turn is useful if you want to save your Explosion/Waves for later while scouting.

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I’m stealing that Scizor set… I might throw Thief on it to stop it from getting walled by Aegislash, since it gets a Technician boost now.

I had a similar set in mind for Ninetails, but I was waiting to get a shiny one.

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I used to have almost the exact same Azelf set in Gen IV.

I had it hasty instead and ran 2 Attacks + Explosion Wave

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Alright, I gotta test this one though, but I’ve been tryna think of a viable Mega Banette set.

Banette (M) @ Banettite
Trait: Insomnia
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)

  • Thunder Wave
  • Taunt
  • Destiny Bond
  • Pain Split

I kept on thinking “Man Banette is some ass, he only has pain split as a recovery move and priority bond isn’t even good unless your opponent can’t use anything but attacks”

And then it hit me, taunt prevents the opponent from using anything but attacks. Only beef I’m having in my mind right now, is that I’m wondering does Mega Banette have enough physical bulk to mega evolve and get a taunt off? Thunder Wave is for dudes that don’t want to lose a pokemon/accept that D-Bond will take something of theirs out. It allows you to paralysis cripple something before you die.

I’d have to test, if not, I’ll have to take advantage of the special defense stats which are ever so slighly higher.

It’s a pokemon capable of taking out anything you deem most threatening to your team depending on which set you make(Whether it is special defense or physical).

He can only operate as a suicide pokemon, despite his high attack, he can’t OHKO anything even with maximum invested stats except for the most limpwristed of psychic or ghost pokemon.

EDIT: IT WORKS?! hmmm

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Anything that is faster than you beats you with taunt cold. At the least drop one utility for shadow sneak. Destiny bond I’d drop but that’s just me

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M-Bannette has Prankster.