SRK Competitive Pokemon Battling Thread: Logoghoul and White Shadow Win! Bye Gen 6!

General Discussion
581

Reuniclus has so much health that Blaziken would off himself with two flare blitzes and hi jump kick isn’t solid coverage against him, and Reuniclus is a solid revenge killer.

My idea went something like this:

Turn 1: Blaziken kills something
Turn 2: Reuniclus switches in
Turn 3: Blaziken +2 flare blitzes(worst case scenario)
Turn 4: Reuniclus uses Trick Room
Turn 5: Reuniclus kills with psychic or Blaziken switches out

If Reuniclus switches in when Blaziken uses protect, he can set up trick room, and even if Blaziken sword dances, Reuniclus is faster than him for 5 whole turns.

Solid, solid, solid counter imo

582

Even Quagsire can give Blaziken the hands and use curse right in front of him, Blaziken isn’t that great, face it!

583

252 Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 192 HP / 64 Def Reuniclus: 282-333 (68.94 - 81.41%) – guaranteed 2HKO

So Trick Room Reuniclus can’t switch in. How about Bold Calm Mind Reuniclus?

252 Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 208-247 (49.05 - 58.25%) – 64.45% chance to 2HKO

That’s a Jolly Blaziken. Adamant?

252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 230-270 (54.24 - 63.67%) – guaranteed 2HKO

If it’s Mega, Reuniclus always gets 2HKO’d. At +2, Reuniclus is straight up obliterated unless it has a Sash, so there is no contest there. You can’t switch it in, so that means you’re sending something in to die so you can take Blaziken out later, which means two things can happen:

A: It can backfire on you if it goes for Swords Dance as you send in your death fodder.

B: You keep sending in Pokemon to die just so Reuniclus gets a safe switch to check it.

Reuniclus can force him out if he’s not at +2, yes, along with a multitude of other Pokemon. But it’s not a solid counter.

584

I actually read on Smogon to see how silly Blaziken was:

Lel.

585

That really only applies to last gen Smogon Ubers if that’s where you read that from.

586

Let’s stop talking about Blaziken and talk about the real, true threat-- Huge Power Bunnelby…

quakes with fear

587

If he swords dances instead of Protect, you’ll have to eat a Flare Blitz to set up a Trick Room.

After you kill Blaziken, you can use recovery to heal off any damage or if it has Regenerator you can switch it out, leaving you with a fresh pokemon.

I wasn’t talking about switching a Reuniclus in on an attack, it’s quite obvious that he gets 2OHKO’d. I was talking about setting up trick room in the face of a +2 Blaziken and KOing him.

The only focus of this was using Reuniclus as a revenge killer after Blaziken has a swords dance and is tryna sweep.

588

Yes Reuniclus can come in on a Protect or SD, but I think any Blaze user would switch and try to take it out from there (and god help Ren if Aegis is switched in.) If it comes in on a Flare Blitz it’s in trouble. Not a straight up counter, but something Blaze will have to be wary of.

589

252 Atk Life Orb Jolly Blaziken High Jump Kick vs 248 / 252 Unaware Quagsire: 52.92% - 62.84%
a 99.61% chance to 2HKO

yea, quagsire is really going to switch into a blaziken and live

590

I think I may try Curse Body Jellicent as a Blaze counter. I’d need to run some numbers to see if it would work though.

591

+2 flare blitz is a 2HKO on almost any jellicent set, you can force it out, just pray to god that it’s not carrying baton pass

+2 Jolly 252 Blaziken Flare Blitz vs 248 / 252 Bold Jellicent: 53.59% - 63.27%, guaranteed 2HKO

it won’t work as a counter, it can work as a check but like i said before, just hope it’s not carrying baton pass as you’re clearly not outspeeding it

592

Huh. It’ll work then. Jellicent can OHKO with Surf when it protects/SD’s on the switch, and if that doesn’t get it then the recoil from Flare Blitz will.

593

jellicent does 79.47 - 94.03% with surf

not entirely reliable, but as i said before, pray to go he doesn’t have baton pass cause him sending something like +2 / +2 or even +2 / +1 to anything else and your team is fucked

if it doesn’t have BP, then your team should be okay as long as you have something else to deal with him on top of jelli

594

You can’t get Jellicent until December since Frillish can’t be found anywhere in the wild in X and Y.

595

I would think 3OHKO if Quagsire has leftovers lol, plus recover. Blaziken would be dead from life orb damage before killing Quagsire I would think(I wish somebody would run an in battle test)

596

Put it on the first page, just for reference until other calculators appear later on or whatever.

597

it includes leftovers and that’s using HJK, which doesn’t have recoil

598

Baton Pass is the big issue. Even if you try to revenge kill with TR Reuniclus or something, Blaziken could just BP the SD boost to a priority user like Aegislash, Scizor, or Talonflame. Heck, Aegislash and Scizor will set up even further on Reuniclus.

Quagsire unaware with Haze might be able to slow Blaziken down, but it’d just be delaying the inevitable. And as mentioned before, quagsire isn’t taking HJK with hazards up.

599

When doing these calculations, are you guys taking into account that Wi-Fi battles are Lv.50 Standard, not Lv.100? I was watching shofu’s stream yesterday and that point came up… Apparently, the stats scale differently from Lv.50 to Lv.100.

600

i’m doing this at level 100, there shouldn’t be that much of a difference, the only big difference should be speed

yea, changed both blaziken and quagsire to level 50 and HJK now becomes a guaranteed 2HKO, no SR too

the difference is like 1%, so doing them at level 50 or level 100 doesn’t seem to make much of a difference
also, you can do level 100 wifi battles, just not “ranked” level 100 battles, i’m pretty sure of it