Victini’s attacks have strong base power but it’s killed easily, and while it sounds powerful in theory, it’s damage output is worse than expected even when banded.
Genesect is fucking broken. No arguments there.
Avalugg gets wrecked by a Stiff Special Breeze unless it has an Assault Vest.
(For some reason, despite not finding most cutesy actually cute, I kinda like Dedenne admittedly. It doesn’t mean it would be the first thing I would use, but it at least has some redeeming battle qualities unlike Luvdisc, who got even worse with Drizzle being necessarily nerfed)
With all due respect, I have to ask @phantasy this: Who the hell uses mixed Talonflame? The “weirdest” Talonflames I’ve seen, including the one that White Shadow just posted that had Will-o-wisp, have still been entirely physically. One had Bulk Up and the other had, of all things, Steel Wing.
Besides, Avalugg has a) Sturdy and b) access to Mirror Coat and Recover, meaning it can potentially annihilate any non-Dark type that tries to hit it on the special side if it gets in without losing health. It’s actually pretty damn good surprisingly, especially for something that’s pure Ice.
Doesn’t mean that Mega Ultra Chicken doesn’t utterly destroy pretty much everything else that isn’t Arceus and His angels.
Also, speaking of memetic molestors, Manaphy is just because of Tail Glow even outside of Rain and Victini, despite the stupid power of V-Create, isn’t.
I actually use Overheat on one of my Talonflame builds, lol…
Super Foghorn Leghorn isn’t THAT ridiculous. It’s damned powerful, yes, but it can be stopped by most of the crap people already have on their teams…
Thinks of Goddamn Washing Machine as he types this up as well as T-Flame and several other OU and lesser-used mons…
blaziken is broken, too easy to sweep with or set up a sweep with, you must carry azumarill or talonflame to even have hopes of stopping it
rotom-w isn’t stopping blaziken, it gets raped by HJK
talonflame dies to HJK if SR is out
everything else cannot stop the BP, azumarill is the only thing that straight up counters blaziken in OU
overheat isn’t a terrible option on talonflame, it gets past ferrothorn without taking a fuckton of recoil, it just has so many other options it can use like roost, tailwind, swords dance, u-turn, and bulk up that overheat is just low on the list of usable moves
yes you can “hit him in the mouth” but you can do that for every pokemon. just because you can hit ho-oh hard doesn’t make it any less stupid
also, just banning speed boost on blaziken opens up to allow restrictions on other pokemon like (why can’t we used < level 100 kyogres, etc), better to ban the whole pokemon
my talonflame set is brave bird/overheat/filler/filler, u turn if i’m not using life orb and will o wisp if i am usually, and in my life orb set the 4th slot was like HP ground which 2hko’s heatran. i don’t run it for surviving, i run it to threaten potential sweepers with a brave bird and/or surprise with a special move on physical walls.
honestly, i don’t find life orb to be that good on talonflame, too much recoil forcing you to use roost, especially when it is often used to get rid of ferrothorn, i also don’t think you net that many more KOs that you would need
i don’t run overheat as flare blitz does OHKO ferrothorn anyways and deals more damage to other steel types as well without the need to lower one of my defenses (fire/flying is still a good defensive typing)
might go flying gem/acrobatics eventually, i don’t really care for the game enough and i’m not at the high enough ranks to run optimal things. gimmicks are funny and somewhat viable at where i’m at atm. [i would argue that they’re always viable but w/e]
idk if flying gem will ever get released but i have a feeling flying gem might be a little overpowered on talonflame, they were ridiculous last gen in doubles from what i hear
i mean my original set was expert belt brave bird/overheat/uturn/will o wisp to fake choice and then overheat randomly, but everyone ran rotom W to switch into talonflame so i’d just will o wisp every time.
then i got real tired of rotom W so i ran [mega] gyarados dd/earthquake/waterfall/ice fang to bait rotom W switch ins and then mega evolve and mold breaker EQ it.
rotom-w checks 90% of all pokemon on top of everything that is stupid
volt switch helps a lot too
Heliolisk is great fun. I’ve been using the Dry Skin ability with an Air Balloon to be immune to Ghost, Water, and Ground.
Hey guys, battling veteran here. Almost 9 years of Smogon metagame experience (mainly OU), and VGC format beginner.
Anything special going on or are you guys just talking.
As a first message from me in this thread: anyone of you playing with Smogon’s Singles OU tiering might wanna get ready for Lucarionite’s banning soon. (already adjusted my team to account for the inevitable ban)
TFlame’s Attack stat does show its weakness at times. Not like you needed to live it though.
We run our own tournaments(there’s one going on now, actually), do some theory crafting, and we argue(a lot 
) here. We also don’t use Smogon’s tiering for our tournaments. If something seems too powerful, we have our own discussions to decide what needs to be done. For the most part, the rules and clauses are the same as Smogon’s, though.
Welcome, btw.
>New guy appears
>claims experience from Smogon
>Plays Marvel 3
>Has to point out he’s a Fillipino Player
Yeah…prepare your anus…nah I kid, You’ll learn here that we run things a wee bit different. Just make sure you don’t come off like an autistic douche and you’ll manage.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-84214317
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-84219616
I made this team up in about 5 min so just experimenting with things.
Ehh, Flying Gem Talonflame was everywhere in OU beta, but it’s not even obtainable in game and the power boost was nerfed from 1.5x to 1.3x. SD Gem Acrobatics was lulzy, though. You could just bully through Rotom, TTar, and Heatran if they took a little prior damage.
I still need to try that Natural Gift set out…
god damnit inferno, if you ran toxic on gliscor, talonflame would’ve died so much earler and you could’ve nabbed azumarill on a switch in possible
poison jab is terrible on just about everything, haxorus uses it for lack of any option against fairies (and lack of ground stab), pangoro can use it because both his stabs are resisted by fairy
you’re using toxic stall gliscor without toxic and it’s really showing up to why it’s weak, hell, you did 24% to talonflame with poison jab, something with 78/78 physical defense, which is pathetic (he played it entirely wrong too, he could’ve set up again, and then roosted)
i also would’ve switched gliscor into garchomp after heatran to get away from the EQ, clefable could’ve lived, but whatever, in the end you won (albeit a stupid player)
You’re new, so I will refrain from my typical rant about that place, and say welcome to the thread, and don’t take anything Mood4food says seriously.
As long as you’re not the typical Smogoner, trying to push that site’s agenda everywhere, you’ll have no quarrel with me.