SRK Competitive Pokemon Battling Thread: Logoghoul and White Shadow Win! Bye Gen 6!

They banned Drizzle on Politoed and Drought on Ninetails in UU. They just did this a week ago.

odd that it was done so soon, i didn’t think UU had anything established

i guess the lack of bulky pokemon in UU makes a difference for weather

This reminds me… I’ve been meaning to use Scolipede. I may just throw it my current team which happens to have Bisharp on it for that extra synergy…aaaand Soul-stealing potential.

DukeC what is your IGN? I feel like my scolipede induced some rage lol. I didn’t know we had a UU yet?

IGN on Showdown? Castleford.

I don’t have a 3DS or PokeX/Y. I’m too broke to afford anything right now except for groceries.

@SaucyPinoy

We didn’t battle. I’ll still be online until about midnight CST.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-82061195

=/

i still dont know how freeze works btw

you have a 20% chance to thaw out each turn, but while frozen, you can’t do anything

yea, it’s pretty stupid when it happens

(I finally found an Ubers replay worth watching where one party doesn’t instantly bitch out and forfeit over something trivial: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-81900179.)

Geez, it’s like every time I ask something, I set one of you off. As much as I enjoy basking in the misery & enmity of others and playing the (better) contrarian, I’m running on like two hours of sleep and I have more important stuff to do still. So I’ll reply to this topic…tomorrow-ish. Maybe. Perhaps Wednesday night.

In the meantime, two thoughts that came off my realization a couple of hours ago that Ground is arguably even worse in the Special department than Rock (even though I just now remembered that Earth Power sees use):

  1. I wonder how much more the type-halving berries would see use if they triggered on all-damaging attacks of that type regardless of whether it’s super-effective on that particular Pokemon or not. Considering how much Earthquake, U-Turn and Volt Switch are flying around…

  2. I’ll probably replace Trace Mega Gardevoir with Calm Mind Sylveon on the Tyrantum team. As much as I like Trace, I really need a) a Dark resist and b) my most Specially Defensive pokemon to not be weak to Ghost. I’m tempted to use Hidden Power Ground as the fourth move just to tell Heatran to shut the fuck up and hit everything that resists Fairy and doesn’t fly super-effectively. Not sure though. Might run Heal Bell or something else. (Also tempted to run Cute Charm and go female with Moonblast just because.)

Indeed, the misclick is annoying thing, especially when it happens in situations where you click right as you realize you have a better option.

What I don’t understand, though, is why you didn’t just send in Sableye and Taunt his ass, especially since Moltres was above 50% HP. That would have saved you a bunch of time, thought at least the other guy/gal/person was nice about it.

Shots fired?

The Damned- Don’t sweat it… I get animated over this stuff, but only because I think its very silly to try and balance a game as random and wild as Pokémon with artificial rules and bans, and the Smogon zealotry has rubbed me raw far too often.

It also annoys me that no one can have a real discussion on any movesets or strategies without people trying to force everyone into a specific playstyle… LordWilliam1234 for example, came in here looking for advice on using Pidgeot, and got dick all of a response…
I myself apologize for not helping… I was too caught up in arguing about PokéAspergers
*
Now, regardless of your opinion on Pidgeot
(we all know its not that great)*, why did no one at least attempt to help the guy instead of going, “Lawlz Pidgeot sux, you shud use Scrubflame lik all the udder scrubs at Smogonz”…?

Post a set or two, tell the guy what it can/can’t do, and why something else would be better if necessary, and don’t be a dick about it. Why is that so hard?

This I definitely agree with. You don’t see people arguing why so and so player chooses to go Rose over Akuma in SF4, or why any player uses any character they like using; only Smogoners and its ilk seem to take such masturbatory pleasure in dictating what someone should use.

That isn’t to say Pidgeot is good, but I’m pretty sure anyone mentioning a mediocre Pokemon already knows the handicap and just want to maximize its limitations. Which is why when a certain player mentioned wanting to use Dragonair previously, I was eager to at least make a set for him… **CUZ USING WHAT YOU LIKE IS FUN. **

Hm… Mew2King…

You know its funny… Just looking at the numbers, Pidgeot and Talonflame are actually closer than you’d think.

Pidgeot- 83/80/75/70/70/101

Talonflame- 78/81/71/74/69/126

Barring Speed, they are nearly identical statwise… Of course, Abilities and Movesets play into it, but I just found it interesting just how close their stats were…

EDIT: Most Smogoners remind me of M2K with the way they can robotically rattle off numbers and statistics, but crumble whenever something deviates from “the plan” and are apt to rage quit whenever they catch an unlucky crit or get their strategy countered.

Using what you like is fun, but at the very least what you use should have a niche over something else, preferably beyond aesthetics (though it’s admittedly the big reason anyone plays the series anymore). This is something that rings true a lot harder in Pokemon than it does in FGs because of how things are done.

As long as Pidgeot actually serves a niche, then go crazy. But make sure it at least does that much.

Welp. I would have gave him a response, but my ambivalence towards flying types would not make me a reliable source to be giving advice (generally because they shit all over my favorite type, which is fighting).

As far as Pideot goes…my unmaginative set would run something like

252Atk/252Spd/4Def
Jolly Nature
Life Orb/ChoiceBand

U-Turn
Brave Bird (Stab)
Roost (If Life Orb)/Tailwind (If Banded)
Double Edge (Stab)

The only thing wrong with this is that Hawlucha and Braviary hit harder AND have more bulk than Pidgeot. Staraptor is better than both because it hits that coveted 100 base speed and hits like a monster truck.

As one of the few flying types to get Hurricane it can also run a Special Set (even I can tell this looks bad and I shud feel bad for suggesting it)
252SpAtk/252Spd/4Def
Hurricane (if Rain Support)/ Hidden Power ground
Air Slash
Heat Wave
U-Turn

You’d be better off running Tornadus.

Oh I must have missed pidgeot. @lordwilliam1234

Choice Band
Jolly
Tangled feet
252 atk and spe, 4 hp
Brave bird
return
u-turn
pursuit / quick attack

You could probably use a hurricane build since it learns that lets see
I would probably only do hurricane in rain

Choice specs
Timid
Tangled feet
252 spA 252 spe
Air slash/ hurricane
Uproar
Heat Wave
HP fighting or ground

(Is one of you noodlemasta on PokeSD? That name seems weirdly familiar…)

So the change from Gardevoir to Sylveon seems to be helping a bit. Still get murdered by Mega Lucario should Hippodown die, but that’s kinda to expected given how damn hard that thing hits. It’s also problematic in the fact it gives no fucks about my poor Magnazone’s Chople Berry between “sharply raising” stats and bloody Adaptability. I didn’t get a replay of that match, but I did remember to get a replay of one that made me realize that I still really need to look at the stats of all the newer Pokemon I haven’t touched or even glanced at yet.

Noivern is damn fast: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-82097541.

Also caught someone else’s match where a Sableye something accomplished I find hilarious: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-82099045. [/more proof not all Megas were created equal, much less all eventually ban-worthy]

I don’t think I can say “no” to this question anyway without having it come off as “yes” given the subject matter, so…“no”.

P.S. Pidgeot’s mediocrity isn’t helped by the glut of Normal/Flying types either. I think that’s literally the most bloated dual type there is…which leads me to realize that Gen VI is the first generation to only give us one new one. Hunh.

Pidgeot builds? Sure why not? Using this bird means you must know what you’re doing…or just want a challenge!

Yeah call me nuts but:

Pidgeot @ Choice Specs/Life Orb
Ability: Tangled feet
EVs: 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature

  • Heat Wave
  • Hurricane/Air Slash
  • Ominous Wind/ Tailwind
  • Roost/U Turn

this is the best it can do if I used it. If I run Specs Tailwind over Ominous Wind to provide some form of team support and U-Turn to scout. Life orb I would use roost and Ominous wind and MAYBE (lol) get off a boost of all stats. Hurricane to hit as hard as you can or air slash if you fear missing and dying…a turn sooner. Fun note you can KO swag Key with this set (switching in on the swagger for trolling purposes of course)

Its stab flying moves will hit harder then ominous wind on any ghost.

maybe but I’m just adding on what possible (lol) options the bird has…

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-82129201

more tweaking to an older set.