i don’t think it’ll be the same with mega lucario gone, it’ll be way more balanced, the fact that manaphy is tame compared to mega luc means something
you know the unstatusable, instant healing, fucking tail glow douche is tame compared to mega lucario
they’re going to suspect thunderus-I, landorus-I, deoxys-D, and manaphy next and then probably let it settle down until we get the next game, unless someone finds something incredibly stupid or if kyurem-b becomes an absolute monster since SR is easier to take down
these guys are the lesser of evils, all are very stupid but compared to who they’re testing now, they’re tame, right now mega lucario has 80% of the mega usage (that’s some variation right there), deoxys-S is only stopped by prankster taunts, and i don’t think i need to go into detail about the douchiest of all douches
There’s a reason all this stuff isn’t getting banned at the same time… They’re not a problem until something else gets banned. It’s not like these Pokemon are getting new moves or abilities as time goes on. Everything they have at the moment they’re banned, are things they’ve had since the beginning that were overshadowed by other stuff. You honestly don’t see what’s happening here?
Mega Lucario has 80% of the Mega usage because they keep banning all the other good Megas. Are you serious?
now that i look at it yes, it is a domino effect, but in a game in which there are roughly 400+ pokemon you could possibly use in OU to some extent, shit like this is bound to happen, almost impossible to keep everything balanced
and for the most part, the pokemon were broken beforehand, but some things are more broken than others, which is evident in this case
To clarify my aegislash comment i was talking about Bious’s no Megas tourney. Taunt does nothing against standard mixed aegis which is the one to be feared because burn doesn’t stop it either. I just believe aegis is the best non mega OU poke. Not really a relevant discussion though.
Again with luc it seems like mood is the only one that wants it banned in the SRK meta so therefore it will probably get the pass so I don’t see the reason to really argue it here much more.
Exactly. And that’s why banning things people deem “broken” doesn’t help the situation at all.
Actually, let’s discuss the term “broken,” which has devolved from being used to describe things that literally broke the game to describing things that are really good. To be considered broken, something has to affect the game in a way that makes it unable to be played the way it was intended. Mega Lucario does not fit this description. For argument’s sake, let’s call it “overpowered” instead.
Now, why is it overpowered? (Here’s where we come full circle) Because its checks and counters were banished to Ubers. The discussion we had a few months back that concluded in the agreement that Mega Lucario did not deserve to be banned was when Mega Kangaskhan was still around, right? Since then, Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Gengar have been banned. Now Mega Lucario deserves to be banned?
To truly fix this mess of a meta game, the players need to be allowed to experiment and find solutions to what are considered problems. If not, the fun and creativity is going to be sucked out of the game along with any tolerance for change. Whatever they don’t like or want to deal with is just going to be banned. This really is some Nazi shit .
I don’t see it getting banned here, that’s not what I’m discussing. You’re explaining why Smogon may come to a certain conclusion, and I’m explaining why everything surrounding that conclusion is stupid.
About the 80% usage rate… Again, that’s what happens when you remove options.
Let’s assume everything is used evenly:
10 options = 10% usage rate for each option remove 3 options
7 options = 14.3% usage rate for each option remove 2 more
5 options = 20% usage rate for each option
The usage rates increase for everything once you take out an option, and this is if everything is used evenly. When you take into consideration that one thing is obviously a better choice than another and throw competition into the mix, you see that the usage rates are bound to get skewed in favor of whatever is the best of the bunch.
Edit: The point I’m trying to make is, if those three Megas weren’t banned, Mega Lucario’s usage rate wouldn’t be so high. I don’t know how else to explain it if you still don’t think it makes sense.
Those 3 megas needed to be banned, while i don’t believe luke needs a ban, after he goes the pile of megas left are farrrr from ban worthy. The next best are pinsir and venusaur, after them the megas are no where near as scary as blaze, khan, or gengar.
And i don’t agree with all of smogons bans. Lando, thundurus, manaphy, deo d, are fucking tame this gen no point in them being suspected.
Haven’t I been saying this same thing since the beginning of all this ban nonsense?
Yes I flip my shit because the way Smogon does things is stupid. It’s always been an overly convoluted mess, when all they need to do is come out and say, “We are too lazy/stupid to build teams to deal with this stuff, so we’re just going to ban it.”
Smogon is that one kid no one likes to play with because he keeps making shit up as you go along…
Kid 1: “I shot you! You’re dead now.”
Smogtard: “Nuh uh! I have a bulletproof vest!”
Kid 1: “I shot you in the head! You’re dead.”
Smoggie: “Well I’m from Krypton, so bullets can’t hurt me!”
I just realized smogon can (and has) banned abilities before (I mean, I KNEW, I just hadn’t given it much thought, because I usually don’t play the poke metagame for this long). Why the fuck can’t smogon just ban Speed boost so I can use Blaziken in OU? Why is Blaziken with the Blaze ability banned?
Why the fuck do they get to arbitrarily ban Drizzle and Drought to OU but I can’t use it in UU (like anyone REALLY wants to fucking use Politoed and Ninetales without those abilities, but they let us anyway?)?
In any case, it’s only a matter of time before they ban Mega Pinsir and Mega Venasaur. They’ll probably ban Pinsir first not knowing it’s the only thing keeping MegaSaur in check at the moment.
because they don’t like to do complex bans unless it’s absolutely needed, speed boost is not a broken ability, blaziken just happens to break it
drizzle and drought were broken in UU last gen, it was dumber than using staraptor in UU last gen
mega pinsir and mega venusaur have no worries about being banned in their current state, the fact that mega lucario is broken AND a mega should have no bearing on the brokenness or non-brokenness of other pokemon, if a pokemon is thought to be broken, it probably will get suspected, if not, then it’ll be left alone forever or until something makes it broken
besides, the mega charizards are probably better than mega venusaur and mega pinsir as mega pokemon anyway
they don’t just come out and say something needs to be banned because sometimes, it’s scrubs who overyhype something and testing gives second opinions about things almost always using better players to determine so
i’m also surprised you guys think genesect is more broken than mega lucario with mega lucario seriously have a one turn “I’MMA FUCK YOUR TEAM” status to him which usually requires certain pokemon to stop
Chill, you can still use them, just ignore the dumbfucks at smogen, raise that shit in game rather than using simulators which force smogen bullshit and play on.
And yet they do them. Considering Blaziken’s vast popularity they could have just banned Speed Boost to ubers…instead of banning the entire pokemon.
That was last gen. I’m talking about this gen. Drizzle and Drought aren’t broken in UU this gen when you have teams made up of strictly legendaries running around in UU. And they banned it again anyway.
Mega Luc isn’t broken. Is it really good? Yes. Can it be defeated if predicted correctly just like everything else? Absolutely. It’s so frail. Can you lose if your opponent takes out its checks and counters? Yep. Just like you can lose if you don’t have anything to deal with a ScarfedGarchompOutrage. Never mind if you set out hazards like Spikes and StealthRocks before hand.
CharY is pretty good. Loses to AV Snorlax outright.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 180 SpD Assault Vest Snorlax: 80-95 (17.3 - 20.6%) – possible 5HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 180 SpD Assault Vest Thick Fat Snorlax in Sun: 84-99 (18.2 - 21.4%) – possible 5HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 180 SpD Assault Vest Snorlax: 76-90 (16.4 - 19.5%) – possible 6HKO
252+ Atk Snorlax Body Slam vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 168-198 (56.3 - 66.4%) – guaranteed 2HKO
CharX with boosts is pretty good. A lot try to boost in front of AVSnorlax. AV Snorlax can OHKO it with SelfDestruct. I consider that an acceptable trade. Everyone else might not, but I do.
The shenanigans that went on (and is still going on) in UU with Scolipede and baton pass. If a team had Bisharp and Scolipede it was GG. If a team had Scolipede and MegaHeracross it was GG. It’s pretty much:
Stick Scolipede on a team
Pick poke you want to pass the speedboost and/or sword dance to
???
Profit.
I’m so broke right now. I don’t even have a 3DS. I can barely afford to keep my laptop at the moment.
um, drizzle and drought are allowed in UU this gen, unless they haven’t got the usage numbers right currently (meaning they’re still using last gens rankings), then just wait, should be okay in february, there isn’t really an established UU tier yet (so i think both are listed as OU for the moment)
the only complex bans they’ve done was the drizzle + swift swim last gen (which was absolutely needed) and then the whole endless battle thing for this gen (was was pretty much needed as you could effectively make a battle last forever), that’s it, if one part of a pokemon is deemed banworthy, than the whole pokemon is banworthy, i think a lot of people would agree either ban the whole thing or don’t ban it at all
sacrificing a pokemon just to take one down is not a good measure, while it’ll work, it’s still not exactly a good argument for why something wins, AV snorlax is probably pretty important to your team, also AV snorlax can’t switch into zard X if it has outrage or a DD boost, the threat of self destruct though will keep it away
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