What does “antithetical” mean?
Essentially the opposite; in this case, he’s saying it goes against what Watchmen is actually meant to portray.
I don’t think that Rorschach wanted Jon to kill him. He probably realized that there was no way he was getting out of there with Jon going along with Veidt’s plan, but he is a man that as he said himself will “never compromise.” In tears, knowing he had done all he could do, he accepted his fate.
On another note…I believe I read somewhere that Snyder wanted to (or had already) make Tales of the Black Freighter into a separate shorter feature. This would lead us to believe it WON’T be in the movie, which is pretty troubling…so if this is true, it probably won’t be until the DVD release that we get to see the complete version.
I also think that anyone trying to watch this movie that hasn’t read the book will both come in and leave the theater thinking, “WTF?!”
Since when did you play the straight man?
I didn’t pay attention to who I was quoting. 
I’ve been answering Maxx questions so this seemed legitimate.
What does “legitimate” mean? I swear, sometimes I don’t know what the fuck is going on.
I hate you all like emos hate themselves, so I will cut you with words.
watchmen is off the chain, dawgs…
What does “words” mean?
Dusted off and re-reading my copy now, prior to the movie release since I have vague memories of the book. The more I dig into it, the more I think that making a movie of this book is a mistake, there’s going to be a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor. So far, the flick looks nice and I could be wrong. Still prefer From Hell (the book) to Watchmen but Watchmen is great too.
kinda a derail here, but anyone know how v for vendetta stood next to the GN?
The V For Vendetta movie sucked ass. The comic book is godly.
That’s the problem with Alan Moore comics being adapted into movies. It can’t and shouldn’t be done.
From Hell, V For Vendetta, Watchmen - all three of those are contenders for title of “greatest comics ever made” and there’s just no way the movies could capture the heart and soul of Moore’s writing. The From Hell movie was crap, too. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen the movie was one of the worst action films ever made. That one was so bad I felt personally offended. And the Constantine movie did not understand the character very much. And there’s not much reason to watch those '80s Swamp Thing flicks unless you wanna check out Adrienne Barbeau’s giant mammary glands.
Yeah, these movie studios can make a lot of money by stripmining Alan Moore’s goldmine and using the names of his characters and superficial aspects of his plots, but if they aren’t gonna capture the true essence of his work (and they most likely won’t), Hollywood shouldn’t even fucking bother. A significant part of the reason why Alan Moore’s comics are top tier is because he writes them to be COMICS, not fucking glorified storyboards set to be adapted for film.
Some optimistic people might say it’s a great thing that the Watchmen movie is generating so much hype and excitement for the comic, but how many of those hundreds of thousands of people do you think are actually going to read every single page of the comics (including the text pieces at the end of the chapters)? I can already imagine a bunch of heathens picking up Watchmen, flipping through it, and, having no context for the work, being turned off by the multitude of words and the faux-Silver Age style coloring. Those people should be fucking punched in the face!
One of my buddies tried reading Watchmen once. He got to the end of the first chapter, and then skipped the text piece. Then at the end of the second chapter, he gave up because of all the words. I murdered his family and we haven’t spoken since.
The point is, read the comic book instead of the movie. If people are too stupid or lazy to read, then fuck 'em and who needs 'em?
That’s my little rant for the day. I’ll probably be back when P. Gabby makes a hateful post countering everything I’ve just said and hurting my feelings in the process. (Ten to one he just comes back with some offhanded, flippant remark like, “its just watchmen.”)
lol such passion. I will say, as much as i enjoyed the read, even the chapter ending excerps, I was rather turned off by the choice of coloring, but again, thats a personal preferecnce toward most things of that sort, I like natural colors, not fake ones. Honestly tho, artwork is artwork for the most part, That book could have probably been written out w/o pictures and still been a pretty good read, minus the pirate comic.
Man I remember reading this a few years ago. It was so daunting, lol. I just opened it up again and my mind is being blow all over again…
So how do you think this stands up as a super-hero comic? Forget about all of the cultural, social, or psychological aspects. In my opinion it is pretty average–maybe a 6/10.
Did Psycho Gorath hack into someone’s account? Such powerful hate… OUCH. I feel like I just got my teeth kicked in.
goody can handle this one.
its basically as much as a super hero book
as DKR was a super hero movie
The difference between Batman and Watchmen is that Batman is just a character while Watchmen is a complete experience in and of itself. You can take Batman and put him in just about any situation and tell just about any story with him. You add or subtract something from Watchmen, and it’s no longer Watchmen. At that point, why even bother using the Watchmen license? Why not just tell a story with different characters? Why tarnish the name?
Ummm… okay? Relax? I wasn’t hating on ‘Watchmen’ at all. I was trying to look at it without paying attention to all of the underlying messages. Like imagine if ‘Watchmen’ was made into a TV-Y7 cartoon. Hope that doesn’t offend you as well.
I am staunchly opposed to any film or television adaptation of Alan Moore’s work. Suggesting that I imagine Watchmen being raped into a TV-Y7 cartoon is highly offensive, and I plan on filing a series of complaints to our glorious Mod, Sano. I cannot fathom the depravity of the mind of a person who would find humor in mocking Watchmen. Such an attitude is truly an affront to humanity, and I am going to go kick my neighbor’s dog in righteous anger.
Zeph, I have your back.
Watchmen is a superhero story insofar as it is a story with superheroes in it. It shares so few conventions typical of the genre. I’ll not bore everyone by naming them all, but a few of the noteworthy ways that Watchmen bucks expectations are its rejection of ongoing continuity and its realistic reading of archetypes that are usually used in service of fantasy.
One of the biggest problems with ongoing continuity is that it prevents characters from growing and changing in meaningful ways. Characters in ongoing titles don’t really experience major development, which is the bread and butter of character-driven storytelling–and when they do, it often rings hollow, because every big change comes with a giant red reset button on the front of it. These days, continuity has contributed as much to the insipid banality of superhero comics as anything else. Watchmen circumvents this problem by telling a story in a self-contained universe, with a definite beginning and ending. Characters are allowed to grow, experience major changes, and even die with a sense of permanence. You don’t have to worry about Rorschach rising from the dead in issue 13, so his death in issue 12 retains its significance.
And Watchmen’s realism isn’t the usual kind you see in the superhero genre, which is more like lip service than anything else. Watchmen is real because the people in the story feel real and the events are logical. It’s not the “Oh shit, I see the Empire State Building in the background!” two dimensional idea of real. Everything is defined with the clarity and completeness you’d expect from reality.
Those are the biggest differences I can think of between Watchmen and more mainstream fare. With something like Batman, there is a ton of wiggle room when translating the character between different storytelling situations. He’s part of the larger fabric of popular culture, and no one story or means of storytelling offer the definitive version. He’s simply (simplistically?) designed such that there’s room for many interpretations and there is a 70 year history of good stories, bad stories, and everything in between to draw from. Watchmen is utterly different.
Watchmen can’t be made into a Y-7 cartoon any more than Barney can be made into an R-rated action star. There’s only so much you can change a thing, so many elements you can strip away, and so many outside elements you can add before it ceases to be that thing altogether. It becomes something completely different, and that’s why Watchmen ultimately isn’t going to work on film. It might be Watchmen in name, but you can count on them ditching a lot of the stuff that makes Watchmen such a rich read.
Zack Snyder is attempting the equivalent of turning Singing in the Rain into a novel… no matter how hard he rides the source material, the essence of what makes it what it is will get lost in the translation.
Also, the V For Vendetta movie wins as a shallow popcorn movie, but fails hard at being even a marginally faithful adaptation of the book.