Can someone explain unblockables to me? I understand that using a high attack with a low assist (or vice versa) makes it unblockable, but how can something that hits mid like a beam have any similar effect? The only thing I can think of is if hit keeps them stuck crouch-blocking or normal blocking and then you hit high/low, but I was under the impression that the game didn’t allow things like that to work…
Viper’s focus attack when charged to level 3 is unblockable, thus things that maintain hit stun that long cause unblockables. After Trish Round Harvest dry tag most beams will give that last little bit of block stun necessary for murder.
I like all those things too, but I still think what I proposed is a stronger way to do it. Here’s why:
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[]DHC glitch is gone in 2 months
[]The DHC glitch requires Trish to have ~1.7 meters when she starts the combo, since she has to glitch her combo early. This means it’s not available from the start of the round.
[]The Trish to Ammy DHC glitch is usually very meter negative, too. Against most characters (people who aren’t Wesker or She-Hulk), they’re dead before Veil of Mist clears and you start regaining meter on the combo. That means you spent 2 and only gained 0.3 in the process. This means it’s also not available to do against several characters in a row.
[]I think Viper with Cold Star assist is stronger than Ammy + Burn Kick assist. One is an ideal setup for unblockables on incoming characters, and the other is kinda risky.
[]Trish’s damage, meter build and corner carry ability are below-average without the OTG assist, and she can’t convert off her air throws. MarlinPie was talking about Chun when he said it, but it’s true for Trish too: “what’s she going to do if I hold up and back? suck some dicks?”
[]Having the OTG assist means you’re more likely to get to the corner in the first place to get the Round Harvest unblockables going.
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So ultimately yeah, Round Harvest + Burn Kick unblockables are great but I think the OTG assist means you’re more likely to get them in that position in the first place. And it’s not like you have to give up your unblockables to get the assist - Viper’s Focus Attack unblockables with Cold Star do just as well.
Oh, blah, no duh. I know about that, so I guess I should be more specific.
Let’s put it this way: I’ve heard people talking about unblockables using beams with characters that do not have unblock able attacks. Any idea what that might be about?
Only if they’re referring to untechable throws glitch otherwise I have no bloody clue whatsoever. ^.^;
Untechable throws?
Yet another reason I like having Unibeam around, though I suppose it works with Disruptor too.
I’ve tried to set it up before with finger lasers super and proton gun, but to no avail.
Thanks, good shit. Think they’re going to take this out of UMvC3?
EDIT: Does it work with Jam Session?
… I never thought to try it. For what it’s worth my reasoning with finger lasers and Proton Gun was to do it on an incoming character with something like a THC.
I also do the coldstar unblockable setup as well. The assist I have on are peekaboo/hopscotch, coldstar, burnkick in that exact order. Also I have trish throw setups that work in the corner that let me pretty much kill a character in 1-2 bars if done right. although I’m not sure how they would do if someone push blocked
them properly, I should test that out in training mode.
Kjunk what system do you play on
Im also interested in Nova, im pretty sure he’s gonna have an amazing AA assist ala C.commando lol
Hey viper boards, do you think Dormammu and our MILF spy work well together?
I run Viper/Dante/Dormammu sometimes and it works. Basically I have the best duo in Viper/Dante and an insurance policy in Dorm (dat level 3 chipp…)
If you were to run Dorm on point im not quite sure how well he would work with Viper. DHCing from Dorm into Viper isn’t that great but you have some solid ones for VIper into Dorm.
i tried really hard to get these two to work together but i could not find many ways for dormammu to help viper. Dark hole holds them in place which is really nice. Purification is awesome too but it launches them way too high to get a combo or maybe i just cant get the timing down. But overall I think dormammu and viper dont really work too well together. Other people might disagree though
Is there a reliable way to setup an unblockable with stalking flare?
I would theorize that you could probably stalking flare -> DHC into viper and burn XFC to cancel out of it and while they are chilling there waiting for the flare to disintegrate you could land the focus. A good way to take out the last character I would think but dunno why you would really use it other wise. I love saving meter for dat level 3 dorm too much to go for this haha.
I can’t think of any ways to do it out of offense, but a lot of people will try to teleport/other means of movement past a flare to try and hit Dorm and make it disappear. If they do, and you manage to guard their onslaught, you could, in theory, crossover-counter into Viper. She can do so safely even if it’s not a laggy move you CC, since she can feint everything, so it would just be a matter of keeping them locked-down until the flare makes its way over to them.
Situational, but, in theory, a good strategy.
EDIT: I don’t know if any of you have noticed this, but Jam Session > FA unblockable is a little buggy. One of three things can happen if you do it correctly:
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The FA hits after the last blocked hit of Jam session, and they crumple normally.
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The FA hits just before the last blocked hit of Jam session, and right as they start to crumple they get hit by the last hit of Jam session, and flip into the air.
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I’m going to assume this one happens when the FA lands on the same frame of the last blocked Jam Session hit, because that’s all that makes sense: They take damage, but instead of crumpling/getting hit by Jam Session, they revert to neutral stance immediately.
Kind of annoying to think we could be punished for setting up an unblockable.
Yeah, Gotnoskill found that a while ago. It doesn’t really happen that often, and you can still convert off a Jam Session hit.