dorm is a good partner for viper because there’s good DHC potential from viper TO dorm, but next to 0 the other way around
either level 1->stalking flare works amazingly well, and because they’re so high in the air, you can get 3 liberation charges and depending on character still combo after…assuming the bouncing is character specific (depending on how stalking flare hits the character, sometime it gets consumed quickly or bounces them for every hit…you could probably even throw in another stalking flare)
edit: now that I think about it, you could probably do C2D1 after the DHC and gain a bar right after anyway
edit2: tested, not enough time for full charge, but at least enough to combo if you have good timing
edit:3: midscreen the hits actually come slower, so it may be possible to full charge or at least 2 charge them combo
What do you guys think of tron and viper together. i think they compliment well cause vipers otg assist lets tron combo into lunchtime or king servebot and trons gustaff fire is really good to get the pressure of viper and even extend some combos.
Not bad, but the first thing that popped into my head was there might be an issue with meter usage between Viper and Felicia.
Felicia, while she’s a very competent fighter on her own, really gets a lot of use out of her Kitty’s Helper hyper. You might end up fighting back and forth to figure out if you want to use meter for Felicia’s hyper or Viper’s EX moves.
I use Tron and Viper together and they work really well. Unfortunately, both Tron and Viper have a difficult time against zoning teams so your 3rd needs to cover you in this regards.
It’s actually a big enough issue for me that I need to figure out a new team with Viper so I might test out Viper, Dormammu, Tron.
ahh thanks for the input. also if ur looking to go against zoning teams give shuma a go. i just dled him. and he worked pretty well. the mystic ray is really good for controlling space.
Been playing C. Viper when she came out and Dormammu is actually a really good compliment to Viper.
Assist wise, Dark hole should get you some block stun and opportunities for mix-up. On hit though you want to do something simple into a launcher, unfortunately its hard to do box-dash combo because dark hole places them in the air barely off the ground. You could try seismo into box dash but it would be extremely hard to time it right since there is so many rapid hits in dark hole (Or maybe heavy thunder knuckle feint into box dash might work? never tried it).
Hyper DHC good thing about vipers Seismo hyper (dont know the name) is that they’re in hit stun in the air till they hit the ground. So just about any diagonal, tracking, horizontal ultra will hit them if timed right. (a couple times managed to get Dooms Level 3 off after DHC on Seismo Hyper. Hard to do though.)
Other than that Dormammu DHC to Viper and her assists dont really mold well for Dormammu. Could use thunder knuckle assist for get off me moments, though I’ve had great success with her burning kick on this and atleast burning kick sets up unblockables. her seismo might help continue dormammu combos but i dont know to what extent because the OTG sends them higher into the air than other OTG assists.
I’ve really been trying to mold a team around Viper. Hard though, Been using Doom, Ryu, Viper because of the vertical DHC potential that Doom and Ryu possess. Trying to switch it up because Ryu is really very straight foward and was my ‘get use to the game’ character.
Doom does okay to compliment viper, and all three assists used in the right manner can help Viper.
Really liking the potential that Shuma’s laser assist has and does well to DHC from viper into shuma for decent damage. Jill’s animated ultra on the very last hit if DHC’ed in that moment can go into Viper’s Seismo Hyper. Though you only get 2 burning kicks on it.
I’m above average when it comes to playing characters but not that great in playing teams. Neither of my teams have much of team synergy.
I’m planning on rocking C. Viper (Seismo), Ammy (Cold Star), Chun Li (Lightning Legs) as a secondary team. I want to set Chun and C. Viper to white costumes, Ammy to brown and call it “2 Girls 1 Pup”.
The assists seem to work well but this team doesn’t have too much going when it comes to DHCs.
I’m actually considering using this team myself as Viper and Ammy can act independantly from one another with the help of Tron assist. Viper’s biggest issue is her safe DHC capabilities are really bad and Ookami shuffle is safe on block and full screen. The only issue is that both Viper and Ammy have low health so it’s a bit of a risk in that regards. It’s kind of why I really like JWongs She-Hulk, Ammy, Tron. He never bothers with cold star assist as a means to approach with she-hulk and uses the tron assist for both characters. Doesn’t need to take excessive risks in getting two characters killed from a bad call. She-hulk and Tron have over a million health which balances out Ammy’s low health. All 3 characters are very potent on point.
I don’t know this team is too much of a pixie team with the assists not really covering each other that well. I mean Zero is the AAA and Mags beam assist can help the other two do simple cross up/cross overs but enough block stun on it. BK assist doesn’t really add anything to the team as well but considering her other two assists it’s probably the better one to use in this team. I think Magneto is too much of a liability in this team without an assist that covers his approach, which is why he’s usually partnered with Sentinel (besides sentinel being Sentinel). If anything I’d probably swap out Magneto for a different character that has more synergy with Viper and Zero. The obvious answer is Sentinel but an alternative to Sentinel could be Iron Man, Tron, or Dormammu, imo.
I think i got my team now, C. viper (seismic Hammer), Wolverine (B. Slash) & Spencer (still working on it) Wesker as an alternate but in the middle.
They all work real well, it’s a rush down type team but they can each take hits except for Viper of course. Spencers alpha assist allows you to start the box dash loop if it hits. Wolverines assist can cross up opponents during block strings etc. I just need to put a lot of time in with Spencer to get him down. Other than that Wesker works real well for what i’m trying to accomplish. (i’ve also noticed that no one really uses weskers command grab it’s 1 frame start-up, have to incorporate this into your game if he’s on your team…
I didn’t get a response in the general Viper thread, as I’m an idiot and really should have put my question here.
I’m currently trying to run Viper/Task/xx and I can’t really figure out a 3rd character. I seem to have a hard time getting in with Viper (that seems to be a problem among newer players such as myself). Doing damage when I get in doesn’t seem to be too much of an issue, I have about a 60% completion rate on box loops at this point but usually only from a tri-jump starter. I really on tri-jump j.s a lot, as it’s super fast and an overhead, right?
I like Task a lot so I’d like to keep him because he’s pretty easy to play at this point and he can DHC into Burst Time with Up Arrow hyper for a little over 900k after a box loop. I know Dorm has been mentioned but none of his assists seem to help out my mobility. I’ve tried Doom as well, but I found hidden missiles really screws me up a lot if I get in before they hit and they mess up my combo.
I was thinking about Ryu, as he’s super simple as well and I’m sure he can DHC after Task as well for a bit more damage. I wish I had more of an active scene here so I can get a couple videos of my scrubby play. Any suggestions?
edit: I’ve realized that I’m honestly just regurgitating a lot of what other people have posted already. Reading is not my strong point, apparently.
I completely agree with killey, tron is the perfect character to team up with viper. Not only because of the assist, she is one of the very few characters that can actually dhc into viper easily anytime and anywhere on the screen. Plus seismo assist extends trons combos.
I had a hard time finding a third character for the team too, but as mentioned earlier i messed around with dante for quite a while now and for me thats definetely it. Not only that he’s a damn good and versatile character that can deal with most kinds of matchups, he works pretty good in this team for a bunch of reasons: he is actually a safe option for viper to dhc her out by using devil trigger. You also can dhc into tron lunchtime anywhere on the screen from million dollars, which is quite difficult with most other beam/projectile hyper. So the dhc synergy with viper/dante/tron (that’s the order i use) is pretty good and does tons of damage. on top of that i think i don’t have to mention what threat dante paired with gustaff fire is. ^^ works pretty good and is fun as hell.
Hmmm, I’m only using Magneto cuz he’s a bigtime battery and he’s fun as hell. Tron assists are godlike so if she can be used for the same purpose I’m down.
It feels like a very flexible team. Trish can play keep away and rushdown which is a bonus and i’m able to change my game instantly through her. Usually she rushes down, after a 1 combo(meterless) ending in j.S i fire off a roundharvest super and bring in Viper. This nets me a somewhat free combo if the fuzzy blockage trick is done correctly and usually removes 1 of the opponents chars. If it doesn’t hit Viper still has the opportunity to keep on pressuring with seismo xx stuff.
Dantes gunshot assist gives viper a chance to get in, but also in pressure the fuzzy card can be played. Assist + burning kick (EX for combo) or cancel it to j.H/j.S. This also allows good cover for tri-jumping.
The low voltage on trish is there mostly to compliment dante, but it i think it suits viper as well by giving a little more bite to ranged seismo play. I used to hit it alot on advanced guard in my pressure, and for crossover situations.
Burning kick assist + d.L/M[Dante] or d.M/d.H [Trish] Seems to work just fine
The minus points for my team is mostly in the meter building. It requires me to be patient and try not to waste any of it unless it is an emergency, So i spam alot of exchange combos.
I’m running that team as an alternate at the moment but I change the order to Viper/Tron/Dante as I really like Tron on point and she can use Dante’s Jam Session in the Clakey D combo for some serious damage. That being said I like the idea of using Dante second to capitalize on Tron assist and the fact that Viper safe blocked DHC options with Tron is non-existent while with Dante you can just Devil Trigger and be safe.
I’m really liking the idea of Viper, Ammy, Tron as well and after playing against a team of Shulk, Spencer, Sentinel it seems Ammy is the natural counter to that team. That being said I also want to experiment with a team of Viper/Wesker/3rd.
just wanted to say this needs to be broken up into 2 threads. I went through this entire thread and the only topic of discussion are the teams for viper with no match up discussion.
For those that are wondering I start Viper (Seismo) Ammy (cold star) and anchor with Trish (low voltage)
