Skillful Rekkagnition (Fei Long Matchup Thread)

SIFUCG · February 28, 2013, 11:47am

Thank you for the informative posts Highlandfireball! Leveling up my Fei!

JimmyRiddle · March 18, 2013, 4:55am

Hey guys, Would love some input on the Vega matchup, Im really struggling with this one.

How to approach?, I feel I can get walked to the corner with this one due to his long range pokes and his ability to punish any wrongly spaced rekka, and it seems hard to space light rekka well as its right at his cr.mp range :/, and i cannot wiff punish his cr.mp on reaction.

what Im starting to do is just be really patient and wait for mistakes or a good time to jump in / chicken wing. i feel one im in its alot better and the matchups changes completly but its getting in thats the problem.

anyways would love some insight as to how you guys approach the match.

jay_red · March 18, 2013, 7:35am

How about some input on Goken? He is honestly my worst win/loss ratio match. I have only won a hand full of times against him. My issue is his horizontal, then vertical fireball approach. They all play the same, throw a horizontal to get you to jump, then hit you with a vertical. I played one tonight that literally just threw fireballs the entire round, I couldnt get in at all the fist round. The second I rushed him, taking some damage intentionally at first, once I got in I blew him up pretty bad, but this outcome is pretty rare honestly.

ZBones23 · March 24, 2013, 11:20pm

Sorry for not updating much guys, i felt like it’d be better for me to wait for SRK to finish updating.

Epicberry · April 4, 2013, 12:39am

Guys, I need info on Juri. I got bodied so hard, I’ve never been owned like that before. This juri focuses at a good distance and backdashes after it. If it crumples she can still dive kick in. Her U1 is just a great comeback game. She likes to dash in and get under the rekka hit bot and cancel into her pinwheels from her dash in low forward. She can zone with fireballs and anti air pretty easily with normals. When you’re close she will do frame traps with fierce into a light wheel and it seems pretty safe even if you don’t get hit. I tried to be both defensive and offensive, tried footsies but her fireball game/aa/low forward pinwheel is stopping me. Help!!!

Chief_Rekka · April 5, 2013, 3:12am

Boss man,

Just get her to the corner and you’ll stop alot of that early. When she does those pinwheels, she’s dangerously unsafe so if you pace yourself, you can go nuts on her. Also from what I can tell, you gotta get there quickly. Because as a Juri player told me, if you’re too passive they’re gonna hold fireball and it’s hard to jump in on her cuz of those AA normals. And buff the flame if you think she’s gonna dive kick.

She’s -4 on pinwheel, but it probably pushes you too far back, so you can’t hit her. But don’t come close by way of rekka, buffer jab with rekka. And you can focus the fireball and dash fwd. If you know she was going for that focus, throw. Just watch the replay(s) or post here and the group can point out some things.

Chief_Rekka · April 5, 2013, 3:14am

Here you go Boss. I got one against Deflinator that I’ll upload and put on here too. Just stop his rush punch and buffer dive kick, but do it late cuz he has those demon kick shenanigans.

Chief_Rekka · April 5, 2013, 3:19am

I will, sorry I got the PVR but it took so long to come in lol. I’ll start posting more regularly.

Epicberry · April 5, 2013, 9:33am

I just ran it back today and 5-0 that juri. I figured it out but yea DR.P you’re right just pace yourself, get her to the corner and wait with some good spacing. You’ll just shut her down from jab rekka range or grabs if she tries to counter. Treat her U1 like it’s nothing, don’t be scared to dp. She also can’t tech that well. I had a good day =D

If she has meter, bait out the counter
on wake up you can just do nothing, she will throw out a fierce for frame trap but once it whiffs and before she does the light pinwheel, jab rekka her. Frame trap her once he’s scared or tenshin. Use standing medium as aa if you can’t dp fast enough.
If she is doing the fireball game, you can punish her from max rekka range once she stores her fireball or if she whiffs and stores a fireball in front of you.

Chief_Rekka · April 5, 2013, 9:17pm

Epicberry:

I just ran it back today and 5-0 that juri. I figured it out but yea DR.P you’re right just pace yourself, get her to the corner and wait with some good spacing. You’ll just shut her down from jab rekka range or grabs if she tries to counter. Treat her U1 like it’s nothing, don’t be scared to dp. She also can’t tech that well. I had a good day =D

If she has meter, bait out the counter
on wake up you can just do nothing, she will throw out a fierce for frame trap but once it whiffs and before she does the light pinwheel, jab rekka her. Frame trap her once he’s scared or tenshin. Use standing medium as aa if you can’t dp fast enough.
If she is doing the fireball game, you can punish her from max rekka range once she stores her fireball or if she whiffs and stores a fireball in front of you.

Good ish man,

Your spacing is on point, and you got the match. She’s not safe on alot of her pinwheels at all, and I think that’s really her biggest attack on Fei. I had a similar experience when I played Juri, but I did the same as you, and won as well.

Chief_Rekka · April 5, 2013, 10:06pm

Chief_Rekka · April 5, 2013, 10:48pm

JimmyRiddle:

Zbones i just did a quick rightup while at work, will update with some more of my thoughts over the weekend but hopefully this helps get the ball rolling, is there a specfic format you want? like different headings or whatever? anyways,

**FEILONG VS ZANGIEF **
If played right this match is in feilongs advantage in my opinion.
If the Zangief knows how to play footsies and knows the feilong match then this is going to be a slow match.
If the Gief likes to press buttons you win this match easy,

Approach,
I approach this match just like many others with fei-long, and that’s as a carful bully. You should be able to walk Gief into the corner no problems. If you find that you are getting pushed into the corner that means you are letting him get away with things unpunished, this match is all about Anti-airing and footsies, let nothing go unpunished because if you do it may mean a knockdown and that is all gief needs to win this match.
Spacing,
You want to be just at the edge of his SBD range, from here and maybe two training mode blocks back you can effectively Anti-air anything he does with MK.Flame kick, when this is timed right it will beat anything he does clean, I don’t use normals to antiair in this match, I just make sure that if he jumps Im in a good position to flame kick otherwise I will just let him jump and focus on him landing (either do nothing or make him block a cr.HP or cr.MK , these aren’t really meant to hit but more of A conditioning, to say hey you better not press a normal here or you better crouch block or you will get hit, then next time the situation happens maybe see what he does he might try and green hand to beat your normal or he might just crouch block or SPD this gives you a lot of insight to the type of player you are versing, these are just some things I do as I have found that giefs genarally like to do things after an empty jump , sorry side tracked) back to spacing, from this SPD range you can wiff punish any slow moves he does i.e forward HK or his forward moving Cr.HK or st.MK which you can just block and punish with light rekka. I use Cr.mp quite a bit from this range just to stuff things he does and try and get some reaction, Also Cr.HP is a really good normal but be carefull using this against a patient gief as it can be wiff punished with his st.lk xx greenhand.

Corner
Once you get Gief in the corner, your job is to not make a mistake, don’t give him a chance, and by that I mean don’t just press buttons willy nilly, only wiff punish and apply max spaced light rekka pressure. Even the light rekka pressure is risky if he catches on as he will try and neutral jump to punish your rekka, you must use this to your advantage and punish his neutral jumps if your inrange, this can be quite hard though as generally Flame kick will not hit as it doesn’t have enough horizontal movement, so you must do a slight step forward and st.hk or catch him in the air with a j.HK . the st.hk can trade if your not carful…so be carful haha. Alternativly if you have a life lead why even take a risk? Just let him neutral jump! He can neutral jump all day for all I care! Just play it lame and win on timeout, once he knows your willing to do this he will have to take a risk.
Buttons/moves
ZANGIEF
Down forward HK: this is a sweep and moves him farward, This is however very unsafe for him to use against feilong as it can be punished with rekka,
Forward HK: This moves gief forward a lot and is often used to land an SPD (puts him just in range for light SPD) or greenhand after, this is a key move for gief as a good one will be monitoring what reactions you have after block this, make sure you are not predictable if you block it. this move however is one that I am always trying to bait going in and out of its max range as it can be easily wiff punished into a full rekka combo. cr.mk, cr.mp and cr.hp will all beat this if pressed at the same time
Far MK: This is a weird little kick that lingers and is usually used if gief is trying to frame trap you, this is however a very unsafe button for gief to use, as it can be punished with rekka even if you get Hit by it, make sure you punish it everytime.
Far MP: This is one of giefs Best pokes, it’s very safe, recovers quickly and is not easy to wiff punish. You should be just outside the range of this poke though. If your going against a gief that likes spamming this move just throw out a cr.HP to make him think twice, use this sparingly though. This is one of his best pokes but it doesn’t lead to anything for him so don’t get discouraged if you get hit by a few when playing footsies and just try to adjust you rhythm so you hit him, good anti pokes are cr.mp or cr.mk to get under it.
Standing LK: This is my opinion is giefs best move in this match. Its so fast! What makes this move so dangerous is that it can be buffered into green hand and in my opinion is the only reason this match is more even then a lot in fei longs fevor. A good gief that can play footsies not only will wiff punish anything you use with this button but its just a good button that can beat some attacks if pressed at the same time, this is why you must be carefull about using you cr.hp and cr.mk, it can also wiff punish cr.mp. If you are versing a gief that is wiff punishing all your moves with this then be prepared to play a really patient game where you are willing to go to timeout with a pixel life lead.
There are a few tricks I like to use against people wiff punishing with this button a lot, one is strait from the footsies guid and that is the feint, i.e wiff a fast normal to get a reaction then hit them with a cr.mp / HP. If they are realy good and are not reacting to you feints then I have another trick I use and that is to use your Forward HK, I know this sounds weird but I use it to wiff punish people that have really quick reaction, bare with me now haha, I know this move is extremely slow and will never hit anyone, but I use it a bit differently. I press it at a range where the first hit will wiff but the second will HIT, this gives people time to press a button to try and punish it but not enough time for their button to come out and more often than not I will get a counter hit. Now this isn’t always going to work but it really only needs to hit once to have an effect!

GreenHand/Banishing flat: well most people knows this move is unsafe for gief if you block it, and you get a free hp xx rekka combo for a punish but you should also know that his regular greenhands (not the EX) are unsafe even if you get hit by them! So make sure you punish every one he does. His EX green hand it it hits you puts him at a +1 advantage on you, This is where giefs mixups can start and this is where you do not want to be, do everything you can to not put yourself in this situation

FEILONG
Rekka: Light rekka is safe if spaced correctly, any other strength rekka or the second rekka are all lunsafe and can be SPD punished. Use it sparingly as one wiff or netral jump and you can eat a combo to the face that could turn the tide of the match, just use it enough to get some guaranteed chip if you need and so gief remembers you still have the move. If GIef has and ULTRA1 or a Super stocked I wouldn’t even use light well spaced rekka as it may be punished. You can win this match without this move.
Chickenwing: not very usefull in this match, if you do onwakeup and gief does SPD for some reason it goes over him. also green hand often beats it. I might use this move 1 in 10 games. Would love to know if you guys thinks of a reallly good way to use this move or some setups.
Cr.mp : Great move for wiff punishing and just throwing out as its so fast, can also combo to light/ex rekka on counter hit. (im you not superconfident in hitting the link then just us ex rekka all the time and just stop if you droped the link, you should be safe)
Cr.Mk: prob one of fei’s longest reach normals and makes his hitbox super low, can go under st.mp from the right spacing and will go under forward HK. Good poke to throw out and to remind gief to block low.
Cr.hp: this move can make any gief really angry, beats pretty much all of his pokes, great move just don’t let it wiff to much or you will get punished for it, a gief may try and jump if he predicts your going to use this move so just be carfull, if he is slightly late with his jump though you do have enough time to get a flame kick out.

TRICKS
Normal Throw: If gief is not Jump-caneling his SBD/lariat on wake up then he is FREE to meaty Throws, so try it out, if you knock him down a well timed meaty throw can beat SPD and Lariet!. more to come

This is all I can do for now as im at work, will update this further over the weekend with some more tricks and strategies , hope it helps some people.

Is there a way to put this in the spoiler at the top of the page? Only cuz it can be on the first page if this thread goes long.

Chief_Rekka · April 6, 2013, 12:35am

This is usually how I lose to Vega, Highland.

SendMaster · April 15, 2013, 10:49am

Yo DoctorP, you gotta hand Vega the business card aka st.hp. Watching your vid your at the right range. A slight walk back your in range for cr.hp. My three best ground normals i like in this match-up are: cr.mp (4 frame its fast to compete with vega), st.hp (business card), and cr.hp. These will help you in the neutral ground game.

Highlandfireball · April 15, 2013, 6:24pm

Yeah, I’d also add cr.mk to that. Very quick and nice distance and can work as a slight frame trap.

Your not aggressive enough Doc. When you get on him give him hell. cr.lk, tic throw, overhead, cross ups, the works.

Also your guessing his back dashes, instead try doing something like a cr.mp and buffer a rekka , or if your not up to scratch on OS, try using a CW on his wake up to catch him or keep the pressure on. Also when he jumps to the wall, your best off either holding focus for a crumple, jumping back with fierce or dashing to muck up his targeting.

Vega is a tough match , I think one of Fei’s hardest but he does suffer from pressure. He’s also fairly free to jump ins which I would’nt usually recommend but in this case he’s not got a lot of options. Vega’s also quite partial to a bit of the old Tenshin.

Epicberry · April 16, 2013, 9:43am

Haha business card, nice name. I heard someone call it a balloon popper, it’s stuck with me ever since.

Razor777 · April 26, 2013, 9:26pm

thanks

Chief_Rekka · May 1, 2013, 9:13am

Highlandfireball:

SendMaster:

DoctorPfromNYC:

This is usually how I lose to Vega, Highland.

Yo DoctorP, you gotta hand Vega the business card aka st.hp. Watching your vid your at the right range. A slight walk back your in range for cr.hp. My three best ground normals i like in this match-up are: cr.mp (4 frame its fast to compete with vega), st.hp (business card), and cr.hp. These will help you in the neutral ground game.

Yeah, I’d also add cr.mk to that. Very quick and nice distance and can work as a slight frame trap.

Your not aggressive enough Doc. When you get on him give him hell. cr.lk, tic throw, overhead, cross ups, the works.

Also your guessing his back dashes, instead try doing something like a cr.mp and buffer a rekka , or if your not up to scratch on OS, try using a CW on his wake up to catch him or keep the pressure on. Also when he jumps to the wall, your best off either holding focus for a crumple, jumping back with fierce or dashing to muck up his targeting.

Vega is a tough match , I think one of Fei’s hardest but he does suffer from pressure. He’s also fairly free to jump ins which I would’nt usually recommend but in this case he’s not got a lot of options. Vega’s also quite partial to a bit of the old Tenshin.

Thanks for the advice gentlemen. I tend to be less aggressive when I’m not sure exactly what my best methods of attack are. So I tend to stay back rather than go forward. And then when the opponent starts their attack, I always feel on the defensive. But I’m gonna work on it for sure.

Chief_Rekka · May 1, 2013, 9:14am

Your Fei is still way sexier though lol.

Chief_Rekka · June 20, 2013, 3:10pm

What’s the info on Seth? I know he’s 50/50, so you can’t expect to shut him down entirely, but I watched the Fuudo vs Poongko match recently, and he was amazing at shutting Seth down. What to do? Where to begin?