Yeah cause we all know the idea of someone trying to suggest a fair and even contest is funny…then again i guess when you are dick riding another idiot i suppose its hard to say anything intelligent. How about you and the other dude remain in your CEism circle jerks and just let the rest of everyone enjoy the game without and chessy BS, sound good.
Spectators are important since the game isnt very popular. A lot of people will see it for the first time from tournament footage and if its all CE v CE I doubt a lot of people will line up to play it.
But like I said this is just my opinion so take it as such.
Yes. We’re not here to cater to them, but we need new players to keep the FGC alive, and it won’t happen if they don’t like what they see.
Ohnoos, Kyokuji: Well, I personally think that one or two good matches arent gonna help much towards a person liking fighting games or not nowadays. No match (well, some are totally shit but hey) is shit if both players are competent with whoever they are using as a spectator can learn from watching what happens in game.
Am i right or is it all about “Graphics” and flashy effects now?
You have got to be kidding me…that is just silly. Banning A2 and A1 characters? Deal with it, lol.
CE characters I’m not so sure about. I think that they in some ways are extremely overpowered, but only time will really tell. Its just at the moment it seems to be that they are almost assured to win. A1/A2 characters can be dealt with…I can’t agree with that. Guy is badass in A1, I admit ( lol I use him) but some A2 and A3 characters can own him up. Banning CE characters seems like a good thing but at the same time, it may not be the right decision. Only time will tell.
The issue here isn’t just that they’re overpowered.
Yun was broke and so was Magneto, but it was ok, because you still had to put a lot of work in to them to get them to that level.
Any idiot can pick up CE-ISM and do ok. That’s the problem.
Soft-banned then? 
I’ll play against it, I don’t care. I just think it’s like picking Gill in 3S.
let people play ce, but you can’t swtich in the tournament. you get that one character through the whole tournament. welcome to the world of counter characters.
Actually, it’s when losers whine about “fair and even” that I find funny, since stuff that is relegated to “unfair and uneven” usually boils down to “anything I can’t win against”.
Heh, agreed. Some people just bitch and moan only when they lose, completely oblivious to the same bullshit that may have happened during a match they won instead.
Yeah but in this case anyone can easily win with the CEism characters. Its not even a matter of being beaten by the better player since the CEism have such a incredible amount of advantages heading into a match. I dont wanna repeat wat some other people have already said but i think it bears repeating that the CEism characters are unlike any other top tier in other games simply due to the fact that there is very little effort required to be Godly in CEism. It actually takes effort to win with some top tiers in most cases where as with CEism u lose in the select screen . We might be able to find some counters to the CEism eventually but in the mean time we r only going to see a wealth of good players getting raped by lesser players due to “scrub friendly” characters. This will also speak badly about the game and might eventutally lead to a quick death in the sameway SVC and CFE esperienced. I admitted to being wrong about the banning of A1/A2 but i think the majority of the community is correct in banning this ism.
they should keep CE unbanned and have it in big tournies with everyone learning atleast one ce character as there main or back up.
then after a year or 2 when the USA thinks they are really bad ass with the ce characters japan will come over and rape people with non ce characters like a1 guy and v ism gouki versus our CE characters we thought were too good but alas japan will show us how to play another game yet again.
I second this very true staement, not the US, the UK and EU allways get pwn’t too
yea, japan is just going to eat up this game for breakfast and expose everything it has. by the end i bet all the isms of the characters will be playable competively.
just going through the strat guide (i’m cheesy i bought it, it’s a VERY good read)
there are alot of system specific things that counter eachother… plus it’s not like a jump in combo doing half life and stunning is a bad thing… you have sf2. that whole series has stuff like that but its accepted because it takes alot of skill to make that jump in opportunity happen.
people who talk about lucky jump ins and such is scrub talk. “lucky jump in”… please re read that aloud someone and ask yourself if a good player gets lucky jumping forward in street fighter against another high level player.
heck… with ce there it gives another adversary to v ism. suddenly v ism isnt as broken as it used to be. i used to bag on v ism all the time… after reading and learning how it works, how crouch cancels work it has everything it needs to handle ce characters.
banning it so early would be the worst thing you can do to people who enjoy the alpha series. instead of learning how to cope with it you just deem it broken and ban it. that same thinking got chun banned from 3s aswell, if chun was accepted from the start i bet there would be less players sure at first… but those who played would get THAT much better cus she’s there to fight against. banning CE will just weaken tourny play imo. 3s players dont get good unless they fight chun, ken and yun.
dont make the chun 3s mistake again with this game and let people who wanna use ce characters pick them, if you think it’s unfair dont play them. like most of street fighter games the comp is never at there best when the game first gets put out. people need time to get used to the stuff and find ways to counter it. if you had automatic satisfaction with it then it wouldnt be as deep… it’ll be just another KOF times whatever. they are happy that there games can be played at full steam right off the bat because they know another version will come out another year, and they know it’s going to be more of the same. ce characters give us something old and new at the same time but people are afraid to give it a chance and under estimate the level of play that can come from fighting against it.
look if i’m spouting bullshit, wait and see what japan does and how they react to it and bite off them instead of realizing the correct solution ourselves.
a-cho.com - watch the vids. These guys are sick A3 players. They land jump-ins all the time. It’s not about the “lucky jump-ins” anyhow. It’s their extreme damage/stun on the whole. A few pokes here and there, and you could be dizzy/dead.
-and crouch cancels are usefull against CE, but only off an air-to-air counterhit. Every other setup (except akuma air hurricane?) doesn’t work against CE.
The only benefits VC’s retain against CE-ism are unblockables (and easier OTGs). Chip damage I guess too… but when discussing damage, CE laughs at evrything.
I think CE can also mash to reduce damage? Can they blue block? I might be wrong on these two points.
So true…before people played with Ken and everyone else besides Yun and Chun-Li in Third Strike…Now look at today; All you see is Yun or Chun-Li…
I don’t know about that, Everdred. This is a console game, not an arcade game.
yes exactly, see we’ll tourny play this game on console using ce characters and japan will come over for tournies and our best ce character players will face the arcade knowledgable players of japan having the best players of each alpha come over to take our money.
so if the americans can beat the top japanese players WITH EASE with ce characters… then i’ll admit to it being broken.
me personally… i wanna learn how to use birdie… a2 birdie or v ism birdie.
Except that there’s no evidence that Japan even gives a shit about HSFA, and someone else already explained in another topic why V-ISM is a bad idea in this game. Characters from other games don’t juggle A3 style so the ISM is basically screwed unless you’re only fighting A3 characters.
Just take a look at the top 8 for HSFA this year. Nobody was using anything from A3, let alone V-ISM, except for Cole who used X-‘Rog as a sub’.
hmmm, that’s tru… but you gotta remember it’s still only the first actual tourny for it, those players are going back to what they know BEST. it’ll probably take someone willing to experiment (or fresh brand new players) to show what the other isms can do.
jeron used blue or green ism karin? or am i mistaken?
well if they dont juggle correctly i’m pretty sure block damage and unblockable set ups (v gouki) will work still. a3 cast take lots of damage from chip damage v isms so it’s only logical that a1, a2(gold) and ce characters will take even more chip.
and if they dont juggle properly like a3 characters who says the player wont find other juggle combos for specific isms? it just gives something new to learn. different juggle combos for different isms. i dont see that as unreasonable for someone to learn if they wanna compete with v ism.
i’m not the best player in the world and i probably shouldnt be talking but we are talking about v ism here. it’s not that weak compared to the rest of the isms, it still has long invincibility and fast ass meter build. isnt that the fastest meter build in all of a3?
the only a3 characters that get left behind are those who dont do well in v ism, cus i’m sure the a1 and a2 counter parts offer more than a ism cus of customs (unless they dont have a1 and a2 versions of them like rog).
but i see why x rog is good, so he’s probably an exception like x chun.