I know each character to a certain extent. And stop saying “invisible”, it’s “invincible”, it’s annoying.
I’m not talking about wake up obviously! Why would you ever jump in on someone already knocked down? I’m talking about up and walking, which I clearly said.
The whole point of my replies to you were that I think EX Scarlet Terror with invincibility was a fair enough request. You rushed in thinking that I was talking about regular Scarlet Terror, then you got all personal and stuff suggesting that I, one of my country’s better players has never played, I’ve never suggested you were bad at the game or remotely unskilled but your eyes have gotten too big for your stomach pal.
I don’t want to clutter anymore with long posts. Clearly we had a misunderstanding about what we both said. For the good of this thread we shouldn’t reduce this argument to E-Penis contest because we both know internet discussions can easily be taken out of context and misinterpreted.
If you wish to play against me feel free to do so, I cannot guarantee a good connection but we can try.
if you notice,my discussion with the other people was quite civilised.
you posting quote a few factual errors,made me started to care less about your opinion.
but other than that,as i just read through i guess you where mostly right.
Okay man, I’m sorry I didn’t stress it, I made an assumption. We were both at fault. Trust me when I say I am a very accomplished player who has nothing but respect for others in game and out.
If your going to come in here and just bash vega then you clearly arent meant to be here. Plenty of players have made him work, just because mago a fucking sagat main doesnt think hes viable you all want to beleive it. Of course the guy whos always mained god tiers isnt going to think vega is viable, hes never had to overcome shortcomings in his character.
Anyone around chitown who i havent stomped and thinks vega isnt a tourney viable character can show me how viable your character is.
I got so used to the wall dive glitch always being there that I actually forgot about it being a problem. But yeah, that simple fix would make a huge difference. Especially when you lose EX meter going for EX FBA or SCH and he doesn’t reach the wall. I think the glitch also affects Gen (I actually saw it happen once) though it doesn’t seem to as much.
yes they can.you can literally run a train through shotos by izuna dropping them on wakeup.but the only difference is that it takes practice and skills.
sounds possible. i’d like to see a vega demo but im sure dat aint gonna happen until a few weeks before the game is released.
here’s what i like so far from what ive seen:
-overhead being +(?) on block
-faster rcf
-faster slide
-faster recovery on cr.fierce// also seems to slightly work like super turbo cr.fierce
-possibly comboable ultra [if nothing works you can just probably FA->ultra
i just hope he’s solid in this version, but i’ll still be playing him.
Im not trying to diss you or anything man but vega isnt tourney viable in his current state and i mean in big tourney that actually count not little town tourneys, shit i kill with vega in little town tourneys. However there is a reason you dont see vega in big tourneys with big names such as valle, combofiend, mike ross, and so on. Thats because these guys are smart and play not only the game but the engine as well and understand how to break vega and his many weaknesses down so quickly that it isnt even funny. Now i am not trying to say your vega isnt good,( i think mine is rather good as well) but untill i see vegas that are in these big name tourneys i will stick with the fact that vega is not tourney viable in sf4. When super comes out with the corrections they have made i believe he will stand more of a chance.
on another note i just think its crazy that as much as i get headaches using this character and the numerous sticks i have broken(hahaha) i just cant give this damn guy up and with super getting here i feel as if my headaches are finally gonna be rewarded hahaha hopefully
yea this does work but only on noobs i do it all the time on noobs but people that realize they can dash or do a special move out of it make it alot tougher especially with the little window that you can land the izuna drop in
ST being a charge move has nothing to do with its usefulness as an AA
ST is a great AA, many characters like Ryu with jumping roundhouse can actually get beaten by an early ST because at the peak of its hitbox it’s essentially going vertically upwards. Nothing can really beat that. Any move that goes 90 degrees is likely to beat any sort of other move, especially when at the peak Vega’s body is pretty much vertical as well.
Like Jeenyus said, EX ST wouldn’t do anything as an anti-air. only 4 frames of invincibility isn’t enough. A jab SRK can’t reliably beat Vega as an anti-air. It would just mean you had something to get people off you up close… and as I’ve always argued, isn’t that a legitimate weakness for a character who should be quick, hard to catch, and good at keeping people out? As it stands now he can’t really do any of these things reliably like Dhalsim can. Why fix the area that would water Vega’s game down instead of emphasize the areas that could use fixing in the first place? Makes for a more interesting character and it’s not as if Vega not having invincibility is the be-all, end-all of his gameplay. Also, EX ST would do nothing against cross ups. You can also safe jump an ST so wouldn’t help there.
If Vega doesn’t seem like a tourney viable character here then it’s only because only Tatsu is making a point of playing Vega. I got 4th in a tournament of 64, not SoCal or anything, but I know how to make my Vega do well. Like laxlight said, japanese Vegas have been rising to the occasion and causing some japanese players to think twice. Rightfully so, because the fact that people have only recently started using the izuna drop loop is proof that not very many people are really studying Vega.
NEwayz… ppl really exaggerate the usefulness of giving EX ST invincibility. As it stands Vega relies on his EX bar in the first place… now he’d have one more thing to use meter on? That sucks. How about… RCF is safe on block. Yes? that’s pretty fair. Being mashed out of the last hit is total BS … it should at least do CHIP DAMAGE for fuck’s sake… it’s not as if i’m ever going to try and make a point of comboing into RCF… I’d rather just ST. So RCF is basically a useless, useless, useless move. Fix that shit first. Make the sweep better, make Vega move faster, buff his footsie game, period, and he’ll have far less problems just from that. Give him a better keepaway game, or even better flips, and there will be no reason to have invincibility on EX ST. but I’ve made this argument billions of times. So let’s just STFU and play, Add my GT yo.
is alex valle a noob?? please watch [media=youtube]2YabGN3DQrQ[/media]
is a sagat who makes it to the semifinals of a japanese tournament a noob?? please watch [media=youtube]30CuDeWoGFI&feature=related[/media]
the very basis of a vega player beating a shoto is to play the izuna drop game on wakeup.
oh and on wake up if you try and dash to avoid the izuna,you would be hit by his claw.
the whole izuna mind game,even in the higher level of japanese competition,involves the shotos to guess
at what frame the vega is going to izuna and dragon punch early or late accordingly.
its also a know fact that the izuna loop(where vega can continously keep izuna dropping most of the characters in the corner)once initiated,practically has no solid escape option.
please go and read up the vega sf4 q and a before you post wrong facts.
Dont kno y u r getting upset u just proved me right. yes it will work a couple of times but then what happend. like i said they make it alot tougher. One time valle jumped out of it and the other time he dped into ultra. Yes it can be done a couple of times but not enough to rely on it in serious tournament play because it is so open if you whiff. But you are right about the corner trick because i do that alot and can do it against keno whenever i get him in the corner but getting the opponent in the corner is another story hahaha.
again i dont kno y you are getting upset i am not trying to upset you in any way just putting in my experiences with the move and playing against more advanced fighters
also in the corner its the glitch that gets them haha it makes me laugh watchin their bodies bug out and see the expressions on their faces
and also u said posting wrong facts. Me saying that more advanced players make it tougher to do is indeed a correct fact
In the TRF tournament video, you’re a showing us … Masatsugu lol
He’s known as one of the “joke” sagats in this tournament, using TU like a ken noob on Live, etc
He even has some sort of fanclub for getting his ass beat out of these tournaments after 1 fight, doing so many errors and losing against poor players.
He is a running joke, even in France (if you know about KenBogard Channel, you know what I mean)
But it’s amazing he went so far in THIS tournament, most likely all good players were elsewhere (Nagoya street battle ? or anything ?) or just stopped playing in TRF like the best honda player ever seen in TRF did a few months ago.