Good news. CAPCOM has ACKNOWLEDGED that Vega is very weak in SFIV. So we are looking forward to some big changes!
Better ST and Ultra seem to be high on many people’s list. Hopefully, Wall Dives are decent now. Red Impact Ultra would be awesome.
Source?
EDIT:
is that what you’re referring to? What you said and what that is are two completely different things. Again, I cannot stress enough that I think calling Vega “Very weak” is way off-base. In addition, improving ST is the least of Vega’s worries. I still hope that Vega does not get invincibility but a better fundamental game.
One of Vega’s unique thing is his pentalties with the loss of his items…
So heres what I think might work:
Faster d. HK (not quite like his ST but faster than he is now)
EX Scarlet Terror Invincible (no hitbox change)
df.MK overhead
j.SP crossing up easily on all characters with Claw only
Faster wall dive (this will auto imporove his Ultra too)
Scroll bug fixed.
Not throwing Mask but losing mask:
10% more damage and 10% less defence (same as current)
-50 Stun Bar
Throwing Mask Away:
5 count cool down before Vega can pick mask up again
Reset Stun Bar
-50 stun bar
10% more damage and 10% less defence
Red Health gives him 0 frame launch when he dives at the wall
->10% damage + another 5% more damage
->no flash Super
Still costs 2 stocks.
Not Throwing Claw but Losing Claw:
Less Range
10% less damage
Lose instant overhead
Lose cross-up
Throwing Claw:
All the above with losing claw but with higher grab range for Izuna Drop.
What do you guys think?
I really like playing against a beastly Claw (they exist), I really hope you guys get some good buffs, the four kings of shadaloo all pretty boss in this game except for Claw and he needs to be done some justice. I have no clue what specifics require tweaking since I’ve pretty much never played him but best of luck. anyways, that is all, just a word of encouragement from a Dictator main.
Bad news. When asked about Vega in SSFIV, Seth Killian’s comment was “dont expect him to jump up in the tier list or anything.”
Capcom knows he sucks and it seems they want him that way. Why, I don’t know…
I don’t think I entirely agree with everything that Seth says. We’ll see what happens, though. The fact that he was mentioned in the latest blog post about him being weak makes me more hopeful that he’ll be a little bit better. After all, they are “listening” to the fans for this one, right? :looney:
They probly just didn’t touch him too much yet. I mean, it’ll only takes 1 or 2 obvious fixes to make him at least mid-low tier, and I’d be content with that. In fact, I’m content with his spot right now.
Weren’t they referring to our Bison (Dictator), though? They said Lord Vega… I don’t know…
Hrm… That’s a good point. I wonder of if the guy who translated (Forgot his name, sorry) also translated the character names too. But then again, Bison isn’t a bad character. EDIT: Well, reading back on Azrael’s translations, he did convert the names in other blog posts, and questions such as Balrog and Vega now having theme songs in SSFIV, and how they said Vega can chip away at damage from afar just like Cody.
I’ll send him a PM anyway.
I’ll tell you why. Vega has been a cheap god tier motherfucker in as many games as Sagat. In Super Turbo he was cheap. In Alpha 3 he was cheap and really boring to watch (VC infinites). In Cvs2 he was cheap and boring (A-Groove bullshit).
Vega by design is just too fucking good. He always has high priority anti-airs, dhalsim range pokes because of the claw, really fast walking speed, really fast jumps.
So for SFIV they gave him no anti-airs and made him more of an mixup/poking character. Its good that they arent just gonna make him like he was in the old games.
Cheap god tier motherfucker? Alpha 3 had all sorts of V-ism BS. Based on what you said, Sagat should also be right next to Vega on the tier list, right? Look how awesomely that worked out. 
I don’t think that meant to literally chip away life on block. I think that statement could be taken either way.
im just sort of picking up vega/claw, but things i’d like to see improved
bring back how fast he was in ST/HDremix
Focus Absorbing shouldn’t result in mask or claw loss
What about every SF2 before ST? Not that I disagree with you, you are generally correct, when he has good anti airs he can be generally very boring. Still, they need to find a better balance than they have here.
I don’t expect him to jump up the tier-list. I expect him to have the tools to deal with the characters that are higher than him on that tier-list.
Bring back the cage crawl! in at least 2 levels. Very unique to Vega and opens up new combo idea’s.
Not really. Cage crawl, as nostalgic as it is, would leave him wide open to be countered.
I am very accepting of the idea for his Ultra to be able to home in, similar to Maximum Spider.
keep vega the same to a t, just give him more block stun and a tiny bit more hit stun on some moves to open up new combos.
As stupid as having it come off during a focus… WTF seriously penalised for tech/focus…
Just get it over with and ream Vega with Cody’s wrench.
I love maining Vega, I can live with some of the flaws, but for SK to say dont expect him to jump up in tiers, is pretty much saying go fuck yourself we could care less what you think… Someone needs to nerf his main and see how he deals with it, of course the whiny bitch wont let that happen…
Ever been swept out of EX SHC on the way up… Same goes for EX Izuna, why the fuck do I have to use meter to guarantee an Izuna drop (note I am saying guarantee here), why can someone DP me out of links? The list goes on…
<edit too much rage typed Guy rather than Cody>
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Craw
Vega is fucking broken (and not the good kind of broken)
His moves need to be sped the fuck up, That sad sorry excuse for a Claw Roll is ridiculous and Air Suplex only connects if the planets are aligned right.
Those are the 2 biggest glaring flaws that I can think of off the top of my head, it’s simple what needs to be fixed with him.