You need to get deleted from LIFE!:sleep:
Can I have “Fast as Fuck CvS2” Vega?
Ouroborus again sigh
[17:07] PSN|EmblemLord: i DO think vega was braindead
[17:07] PSN|EmblemLord: easily the most braindead out of all top tiers
[17:07] PSN|EmblemLord: ever
[17:07] PSN|EmblemLord: mostly cuz ST is a basic game
[17:07] PSN|EmblemLord: and claw does even less then the others to win
@darkfroggy: Yeah, I’m sure Sirlin was much more of a retard than you were… NOT. (lol, american joke) And he didn’t even lose against the best Claw.
Also, did someone EVER complain? I simply answered the question Rugal posted.
sasaki you seriously have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, go away
Hrm, hrm, hrm.
Sasaki , why are you still posting in this thread ?
you’re too good to be arguing with these people , they simply arent worth it
Constructive question: Have you ever played ST in a competitive setting?
Constructive question: Do you think David Sirlin is a bad ST player who’s not competitive?
It’s out of the question that Vega in ST was braindead. There’s no denying to that, and as such, this COULD be an answer to why he got nerfed.
Now, why is there still ANYTHING to discuss about? Why derail this thread any further?
Vega got literally one moved nerfed in ST, as did many other characters… were they all braindead? Sirlin certainly doesn’t think Vega was braindead. If he was, Vega would be winning all the tournaments, at least in the USA were there can be no doubt that he was not banned (he isn’t softbanned in Japan either but whatever).
Will you answer my original question? If you haven’t played ST competitively you’re really not qualified to comment.
OF COURSE he doesn’t, that’s why he removed
a) ST charge store.
b) knockdown on claw dive = no more walldive trap in HDR.
Also, braindead does not mean god tier >.> sigh
EDIT: You’re a waste of time. Learn your BnB’s, I’ll refrain from posting here anymore.
Anyone who doesn’t see why Vega is the typical braindead character of ST doesn’t know the game. And anyone who derails this thread any further is a stupid, sad troll.
Oh you’re just trolling, never mind.
I hope the Blanka and Boxer match-up get easier for Vega. I don’t have an ounce of fun in those match-ups.
i’d argue the blanka matchup is only 6-4
now that we know we can punish horizontal balls, and that you can always punish vertical balls on hit wit a sweep, it’s much easier for vega
still incredibly hard to get in but once you do, very good things happen
do you mean by EX FBA or Ultra ? coz EX FBA require meter and the Ultra depends on your position
or were you talking about the dash s.MK ? coz that does like no damage
or maybe another way to punish it ? O.o
I wouldn’t really base the matchup on the punishment of horizontal balls. I’m afraid this is going to end up like pedo’s or your old impression of the bison/rufus matchups.
Juicebox also made that mistake in the matchup thread.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7800325&postcount=1020
EDIT: Tho stuff like this really belongs in the matchup thread.
The fuck? Do you even play SFII?
Vega needs proper footsies and spacing to win. It’s not all about spamming Wall Dives. Seriously, look at ARG play and then come back here and say Vega takes “no skills”.
For the record, Sirlin doesn’t think that SFII Vega is brain-dead. He also played SFIV and agreed that SF4 Vega was a travesty.
You need to find some proof that top players agree Vega is brain-dead.
It’s not about the balls. Electricity beats near every move, up-ball beats all air attacks.
You can’t do SHC, or Wall Dives. That leaves you with Claw Roll and… Scarlet Terror which trades/loses all day to Blanka’s jumping normals.
On knockdown, he can do ambiguous hops and mix-ups for more damage.
His Ultra is also much better than yours (for this matchup) and hits like a truck.
I watch Makoto replays, Vega has to work really hard to get in and do damage. Blanka can easily do damage due to his higher damage potential, and Vega’s vulnerability to corpsehops, aerial attacks, balls, Ultra. Blanka’s hit model is also very small, which means s.hk will whiff sometimes.
Weren’t we discussing previously that charge store was actually a bug? That may explain why it was removed, rather than an attempt to “nerf” a character.
You should take Match-up discussion to the Vega thread in the SF4 section.
you can walk up sweep
blanka puts on pressure about as good as anyone else does. the thing is, he in turn cannot escape from vega pressure unless he decides to do something extremely rash. in doesn’t matter if up ball beats air attacks, cause you really don’t even need them for this matchup anyway. if you just use tick throws and constantly keep blanka pinned down there’s very little he can do.
understandably, vega is still on the wrong side of this matchup, and i agree, he has an extremely hard time getting in to actually do all this big damage. but unlike the Sagat matchup, you can actually out play the Blanka and see immediate results. in the sagat matchup you lose to brainless fucks all day because he’s just so strong compared to vega. Blanka players have to work in this matchup, and there are also ways to beat Blanka’s ultra if he uses it at point blank. the matchup is definitely in Blanka’s favor, but at least you have tools to work with in this matchup that really make a difference. in no way do I see Blanka vs Vega being as bad as, say, Blanka vs Zangief or Abel vs Zangief.