SFxT General Discussion #3 - Still Alive

[roknin]

I guess the nerfs to boost chains across the board represent a game engine change, assuming the Tekken characters get the same treatment. They’re trying to make boost chains worse. Boost chains are already not great, basically just useful in footsies and some hit confirms for some characters, or for getting your point character out. I like SF4, but we already have SF4. Why make one of the main engine differences between the two games less effective? Weird choice imo.

The more I think about this, the more it looks like they’re balancing the game based on month 1. Hugo seemed good, everyone was doing boost chains constantly, etc. Great.

Because that’s who whined the loudest, honestly, truthfully. People were screaming about the boost chains, “stupid Hugo”, OMG nerf Juri damage, why is this game not SF4 and the like.

Not saying I agree because I don’t and I really hope it doesn’t go any closer to SF4 (because that’s why I have SF4), but that’s pretty much it.

people are gonna have to get better and not rely on safe boost chains

I do agree there, so it’s not all bad in that sense.

I’m still mad about the damage nerfs. Game does not need lower damage (conversely it didn’t really need more either). That grey health nerf better be pretty severe.

lucky we PC players don’t have to play this version until July of next year. 1.02 ftw?

LOL! Pretty much!

There’s just so many changes, I can’t even tell if these weird changes are going to make the game worse.

Gotta see the Tekken changelog.

Honestly I won’t really be able to say much until it’s out and I {play it}. All I can give is my knee-jerk reactions on most stuff. That said, the buffs the other day made me happy - the damage nerfs to my characters today are making me kinda’ ill.

I’m not getting my hopes high for the Tekken changes though. Keep expectations moderate.

(edited because poor wording is bad)

[Bad_Boy_Brazil]

Any thoughts on Hugo? He’s already Low tier. I’m afraid that with that new slow red life recovery and his nerfs He will be useless.

[Akhos]

I’m not getting my hopes high for the Tekken changes though. Keep expectations moderate.

I’m expecting good things for Paul if nothing else…at least speed up his dang normals!

[Bunnycap]

this changelog made me expect to quit after 2013 is released.
it’s like capcom doesn’t know what balance means.it’s as if they want the remaining players to drop this game.

[Akhos]

Any thoughts on Hugo? He’s already Low tier. I’m afraid that with that new slow red life recovery and his nerfs He will be useless.

Actually, couldn’t the slow life recovery benefit him in a sense? It’d make his already high damage hurt even more in the long run.

[Jamp]

It’s like they took the ASW balancing method, fix some things and then throw shit in the fan and hope something sticks. Some of these changes make sense like Elena’s and Rolento’s, but then there’s Hugo who is now as effective as the car from the SF2 bonus stage.

I really hope the system changes are meaningful enough.

[Cody_Guy18]

Any thoughts on Hugo? He’s already Low tier. I’m afraid that with that new slow red life recovery and his nerfs He will be useless.

Not looking good for our giant. Lot of stuff is even more unsafe, damage decreased.

[Vulcan_Hades]

Is Capcom fucking stupid? Why the fuck am I seeing so many nerfs and damage REDUCTION? That’s not how you balance a game and make it more fun to play or more enjoying to watch. Hey Capcom, pro tip: STOP LISTENING TO FUCKING SCRUBS. THEY WILL ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING. Nerfing top tier characters will only make players drop them and flock to the new buffed top tier characters. God damn…

The way Capcom seems to think is: “We mostly see SF characters being used in tournaments, that must mean they are super OP and that all tekken characters are shit tier. So let’s nerf all SF characters until they are just as shitty as the Tekken characters and buff the Tekken characters until they are OP! Problem solved.”

[ThatJollyOlBastid]

There are quite a lot of changes to meter building in particular.
This is to tackle the issue of players being able to charge attack dash cancel which allowed them to build meter whilst running down the clock.

However you will notice many attacks build MORE meter than previously, but only when the move connects with the opponent. This not only encourages more offensive strategies, but also offers less of a reward for those trying to run down the clock, a style of play which players complained was dominating the game and causing too many time out situations. In some instances the meter gain is nearly doubled on hit!

Coupled with the already announced change to how quickly health regenerates, players should see a significant drop in the number of time-outs occurring.

Another important set of changes you can see across the board are to how cross rush/boost combos operate.

You’ll notice how boost combos are more unsafe on block now, even when cancelling into a medium strength attack. Players found the low risk/high reward involved with the boost combo a little frustrating, and this change encourages players to hit confirm their light attacks before throwing out the heavier normals. There is still the option of canceling the chain into an EX attack if you decide to spend your meter that way.

Whilst it might seem like certain characters were nerfed more so than others, the overall balance has been taken into consideration, so please assess all the changes across the board before assuming any character is now ‘low tier’.

There are more changes on the way as this is only half the cast, and we’ve not delved into all of the system changes yet either.

[Jamp]

Whilst it might seem like certain characters were nerfed more so than others, the overall balance has been taken into consideration, so please assess all the changes across the board before assuming any character is now ‘low tier’.

There are more changes on the way as this is only half the cast, and we’ve not delved into all of the system changes yet either.

That’s a bit reassuring. At least they are aware of what they doing - and are aware that the changelog might make people ask what the fuck is going on - so that gives me hope for the system changes.

[roknin]

Hades if there was a “I fucking love you” button, I’dve pressed it 90+ times on that post.

Hey Capcom, pro tip: STOP LISTENING TO FUCKING SCRUBS. THEY WILL ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Case in point: E-Hubs posters are apparently happy to see Ryu nerfs. And such. The last people who need to have a say in how the game is played.

Dawg makes a good point in general, but I’m not seeing how that’s going to work. We’ll see overall soon enough, I guess.

[Kaizyy]

I’m so worried about Xiao.

My heart ;_;

[Akhos]

I’m so worried about Xiao.

My heart ;_;

I don’t think Xiaoyu really needs to get touched at all. She seems fine. Good offense balanced by poor defense.

Though something tells me they’re going to nerf her overhead somehow…God, I hope not.

[roknin]

I’m so worried about Xiao.

My heart ;_;

Well it can’t really get worse for her, I don’t think.

I’m… going to need to sleep on these changes.

[Bunnycap]

If Lili is touched, i’m done. I made that clear months ago.

[Fivz]

Just Do IT

[Cody_Guy18]

I can kinda see where Dawgtanian is going to. We’re seeing these nerfs in the current version of the game, when there are still system changes coming up. We don’t know yet how these changes turn out in the “new” system.

[Bad_Boy_Brazil]

Not looking good for our giant. Lot of stuff is even more unsafe, damage decreased.

They increased the Ex Meat Squasher like I’m going to use it a lot lol. I’m pretty sure Hugo now will be low tier for sure. They nerfed the few things that made him useable. I can handle the entire match with Hei but still, Hugo it’s that last damage for me that counts.

[roknin]

If Lili is touched, i’m done. I made that clear months ago.

Pffft dude you may as well get ready for that man. No one is safe :shake:

NO ONE

[Darkphyre]

everyone was doing boost chains constantly, etc.

To be fair, everyone (with the minority of people who really know their shit excluded) is still doing boost chains constantly. And getting away with it for the most part.