That’s the problem with post Vanilla Sagat up until S4 Sagat. His actual tournament wins are super far inbetween and only consist really of Bonchan if you don’t count that one thing from Ryan Hart. Everything else is like exhibition talk. Your character isn’t good enough if they have to win exhibitions to be relevant.
He just hasn’t been a character you can actively go out and win tourneys with since Vanilla IV. The tools he needs to do that are something that only the Dark Ages will allow. Unless you get the full anime you’re not going to be winning hot shit regularly solo with a zoner.
You said there was only Bonchan in SF4. There was a fuck load of Sagats in SF4 and the fact Jin doesn’t remember Gachikun ( who one a couple of ranking events and was just an all round bad ass Sagat) makes me suspect you dudes are just arguing for the sake of it.
I’m the one who brought Gachikun up and I stopped playing after Super. Give me props. If I didn’t bring him up you probably weren’t going to.
Ranking event ehhhhhhhhh.
TBF though if Bonchan could win 3 CPT events with S2 Nash, maybe it actually is in the cards for Sagat. Probably not, but maybe and even then probably do it smart and carry with another character.
Idk I see a lot of Sagats in pool play for V but the only dudes I remember winning or placing well for IV in CPT were Hart and Bonchan. I’ve got no idea who the fuck the rest are, if they placed well enough I’d know em. I can find a shit ton of Cody players who I can say were good but Cody’s tournament presence was basically limited to Momochi’s short main run and pocket pick.
I only really give a shit about top 8s in CPT shit.
I’m glad we’re limiting our definition of “tournament presence” to “character played by one of the 30-something people in the world that can routinely make CPT top 8s”. By that logic, Rose was a common tournament character.
I’m pretty certain Sagat was the most picked character at the Shinjuku Taito nationals championship (The one with Nishikin vs Kazunoko in the grand finals). That SHOULD count for something tbh.
I’m old mentality. Top 3 or go home. Good characters top 3 regularly.
Sure you could say Sagat was slightly more meta relevant in IV, but he still was a character that was bad at winning you money like he has been for the last 8 years. He’s lucky Ryu has been worse at that over the last 8 minus S1 SFV.
What why? High shots are plus 1 already and people get around those plenty enough. If you can get in on guile you can for sure get in on sagat .
Low shots being plus would be a very nice buff, the shots have to have better data this is a different game where projectiles aren’t really strong (outside of guile) unless you can apply a mixup behind it can’t chip kill and most of the cast has ways to reflect, by pass or get gauge from your projectile.
Ex low shot being negative is trash, low shots being negative -4 is wrong.
another thing I’d like is if sagat shot recovery more matched his animation.
projectiles in sf5 are way to bad in the 1st place