Yeah I was just saying I’m generally not surprised by it. In my scene we had a local Kuma player who would win stuff and Kuma is generally lower tier in most games. The worst characters in Tekken are still no joke just because of the way the game works. They can still do the stuff the higher tiers can do, just not quite as good. Yet still have some extra specific tools that a high tier may not have.
If Dan were to ever win a big SF tournament that’d be a whole nother thing, but it’s practical enough in Tekken.
Good thing Marduk is here. Can’t be any worse than Gigas. Julia is cool too.
maybe now, but during season 2 she was definetely not mid tier, and not because she was weaker (in fact s2 Juri was actually stronger in some regards) but because everyone else was stronger and the meta didn’t favored her too much
Plus Infiltration still likely would have switched characters for certain matchups. Zeku was only like booboo bottom at launch then his changes fleshed him out better.
Big grand World Tour/Capcom Cup type finals is a whole nother thing though. At least for SFV if you’re betting on anyone lower tier than Karin winning you’re gonna be losing money for sure. Birdie winning last year is probably about the biggest character upset we will see for the next 2 Capcom Cups and he was already close to top 10/5 as it was then.
Marduk is a character I really wanna try. He was basically a grappler with an evasive stance in previous games, and was really strong in T5DR since he was basically impossible to attack without risking putting yourself in a 3-way mixup. He also looks really cool.
Julias redesign is great too. I have a thing for nerdy chicks, and she’s also one of the characters I’ve wanted to try for a long time.
@stronzolo Season 2 I’d say Juri was better than Ryu, Chun, Nash, gief, claw, Fang, Laura, Alex, ed and Zeku. Think she’s always been good enough to win something.
Idk, Ed still had a throw loop, a good v reversal and a great dash in S2 right? (I’m a bit unsure about him having a throw loop at all) She was definetely better than those characters but really not that better, I would say the meta was pretty bad for her but I’m not sure it got that much better in S3, maybe enough to have her move up in the tier list but the top 10 is filled with bad MUs for her
EDIT: wait, no, weren’t Laura and Gief good in S2 or S2.5?
I remember western players commenting on the japanese tier lists like:
“drop Idom on Japan”
I’m definitely not 100 percent anymore after drinking also.
BTW def check out these videos.
Both do a good job of showing off how Bonchan uses high shots vs a very anti projectile character and vs a more projectile centric one. Higher level Ryus actually bother to fireball so you’ll see more of that side of the matchup
His gameplan is generally throw high shots until they are afraid to jump. Mainly because high shot will either hit them out of the air or recover too fast and get them AA’d. Then once they are conditioned to the ground the low shots and s.LK’s/s.MK’s come.