No ones going to give pity party for people who play a character that has the lowest commitment and highest hitting standing AA in the game. If you were a Ryu player and lost your s.lp, then maybe. Plenty of characters that have trouble getting in on Abi and have to jump just to get swatted with almost no room to change their trajectory if they don’t get a good jump over a button
1 Like
Abi’s reward on a good AA Cr.Hp is bananas too lol. His AA in general just seem so strong. I think cos it’s so hard to get in on Guile’s just for him to AA LP is what gets people salty lol. Still, it’s good to see a OG SF2 character winning off fundamentals alone and not robbery from some random CC into VT1 unblockable.
If you’re getting anti-aired by Guile’s cr.lp you’re doing something wrong
I’m not talking about Abi, I’m talking about Guile. I barely even play this game anymore but damn if I’m not grossed out whenever I see Guile get away with playing sloppy and still having an option.
You watched Daigo recently when you say that?
Anti air c.LP’s lose to strong downward angle buttons now. Anti air c.LP is pretty much relegated to beating higher hit box air buttons and empty jumps now. Which means against some characters like Mika/Ken/Necalli a Guile player is risking his life trying to AA c.LP.
If you’re playing one of those characters that has no real good downward hit box
jump in or quick angle trajectory change, well that sucks for you. Guile is top tier.
Can’t call out low commitment AAs when you play low commitment AA character. A standing one at that which is even easier to use. You lose that s.LP AA first and then come with problems.
1 Like
Man what is it that you’re not getting lmao. I officially quit SFV. Abigail is out of the conversation. Guile cr.lp AA is still gross.
Fundamentals? +2 oB Booms, ability to Flash Kick after throwing one, low risk/high reward normals and retarded VTs compared to 90% of the cast is satisfying? Actually Guile is playing another game with the rest of his top 5 comrades, whoever don’t play any of them will think otherwise.
Guile cr.lp is gross af, but Abi st.lp is also stupid.
Frame Trapped is working again so I can finally get technical now, yay
Here’s some mighty fine jumping hitboxes
Now here’s Guile’s crlp
See all that juicy green above the hitbox? That means that outside of Abigail’s jhk there, Guile’s crlp will never win. At best it will trade. Any jumping normal it could possibly beat, are normals that AA jabs still work on; ie, the problem is not the anti-airing normal, it’s the jumping normal has a bad hurtbox. And that’s not taking into consideration the fact that hurtboxes on limbs of jumping normals don’t appear until the same frame that they go active, which makes the crlp more likely to trade or lose outright.
If you want to complain about Guile’s crlp AA you’ll still need to complain about Bison’s 'cause they’re almost the same
(Bison can beat Abigail’s jhk with his crlp too by the way)
More to the point; Ed, Akuma, Cody, and several others can all crlp AA in the same manner. So if you’re gonna complain about crlps potentially trading with jumping normals you’ll have to complain to Capcom to fix the hurtboxes on jumping normals again; it’s the same problem as last time.
Now there is one scenario I can think of where you may see crlps seemingly beat jump-ins when you don’t think they should. And one that probably happens more vs Guile, hence the increased whining.
You see Guile fire a boom, and you’re jumping forward. So you hit your jump-in early to try and tag him before he recovers. He still recovers, he crouches, causing your jump-in to miss entirely, and since you hit the jump-in early, the active frames run out before you can tag him while he’s crouching. Guile press crlp and hits you out of the air and you proceed to cry on twitter about it.
That scenario still isn’t Guile’s fault though.
7 Likes
Yeah, you need the PC version and frame trapped (http://frametrapped.com/#hbv) to see the hitboxes. Assuming another update doesn’t break it again.
You can also use sfvsim (https://sfvsim.com/) which has everything except jumping normals (though it only displays raw boxes). Only problem is it seems to be missing Young Zeku’s normals for some reason.
1 Like
Okay here’s a fix for Guile’s cr.lp then.
Increase recovery on booms or reduce advantage on block.
How about we leave Guile alone and help some other characters out
Buff Juri ofc
No, top tiers in this game are too strong, they’re way ahead of the curve and have too much control in too many situations, meaning too many rounds are decided by one sided steamrolls.
It only seems that way 'cause Capcom keeps arbitrarily limiting the other characters in the game. The top tiers are the most fun 'cause they have the most options or are the most solid. Keep nerfing things and you nerf whatever fun that’s left. You’re not happy about what they did to Abigail, are you?
Give other characters more fun things so they can compete better.
8 Likes
Abigail compared to a lot of the cast is still really stupid, he’s just not quite as stupid as the top tier.
You seem to strictly correlate strength with fun. Is Menat VT1 fun? Is Akuma getting free red fireballs into VT1 round winning comebacks fun? Is Cammy’s un-whiff punishable buffers into knockdown into oppression fun?
I think seeing more player strength rather than character strength would be more fun than the shit we got right now. Infiltration’s Juri, Bonchan’s Nash are prime examples. The game would be a lot healthier if the top-end power level was reduced, if people couldn’t just auto-pilot the same shit over and over again.
SFV is not the game where crazy shit is fun, the design from the ground up just doesn’t support it.
1 Like
I have a capital idea.
Let’s make Gief the top of the top tier. That will be fun for the whole family.
Now, seriously, SFV top tiers aren’t even near as broken as past games top tiers. But it would be very nice if they were to buff the weaker cast to be able to compete closer with the top 5.
Guile feels almost honest in SFV. His sonic booms are only +2 ob. It could be far worse.
Checked out, thanks. I haven’t SFV in PC, so Frame Trapped is a no go for me, the other site is just to plain and not complete on some things like Young Zeku normals.
Hopefully someone will put all Zeku hitboxes from FT on internet or YT, a man can dream. That’s annoying, because I’ve found easily all the others, but not him.