The shot is your neutral poke. It’s just not super god like.
I mean cr.mk is another contender , making that more like 7 with a smidge more range, that’s Gona open up a lot.
He’s just super hard to play if you don’t have good fundes and even then this game has portions that ignore your fundes.
Right man wrong game!
Shot still has 10+ start-up, I’m talking range 2 when you’re right out of st.mp x2 range, his option pool is slim af there, even with fundies if you get given one knife to throw you aren’t going to leverage that scenario super efficiently. Bonchan just backdashes out of it majority of the time, so do I.
St.mp is plus 3, so it’s not really you’re set up poke button. That would be more like st.mp , cr.mp xx shot.
St.mp stagger st.mp or even 2 X st.mp step forward st.mp.
I know what you’re saying, but you gota lose a turn at some point.
They actually explained why never put him in the game shortly after release. It was about having a diverse playstyle represented in the game. Having another shoto like character would be problematic.
You would be losing your turn, it’s -3. And st.mp > st.mp is his go-to trap vs. 3f characters, Bonchan uses it a lot. You confirm into DP from the second hit.
The OG team for this game is out of their minds.
Yeah I know what you do with ya wolly.
You can dash up after also.
But you’re trying to fill in every hole, so you get your plus 3 plus 3 string then your mega button that crush counters and links to dp after, and also anti airs.
You SF kids these days gawd damn. Ya want the works lol
Tbh it’s more about the range you get left in, microwalk st.hk becomes a thing so you can hold that ground instead of backing up to get shots started immediately.
It just makes his options feel more V esque, which would help a couple MUs from him being helpless.
By V esk you mean bullshit? Lol.
I know exactly what you mean, but the main problem with his bad matches is simply they all have something that takes his shots out the game. So you are forced to play at that shitty range you are talking about.
It’s pretty easy to figure out. Sagat is slow ryu. Well, t
What ryu used to be.
It’s pretty damn basic Streetfighter:
Throw fireballs from outside your poke range, inside your poke range…l use your pokes.
Ryu “sucks” because his poke range got supremely nerfed and he had to lean on fireball more than usual.
This DID NOT happen with guile/sagat/and to a certain extent Nash. All have good projectiles while also having good normals to fall back on when the projectile was too risky. This is exactly how sagat is designed.
Throw fireballs when at midrange or whatever, use st.mk to keep spacing when fireballs will be too slow or too close. Use st.hk when your opponent wants to try and counterpoke st.mk with a standing normal. Sagats st.hk being so ranged and having such speed is an incredible boon as a move designed primarily to stop his opponent from using standing moves against him (standing moves have the most range in sf5, which is something you need when playing against a character that is constantly walking backwards and chucking plasma.
Tbh he feels pretty fine on this game. Has some bad matchups, as do most. But his biggest problem is a badly designed game, not HIS design. He has all the tools and damage to boot. His st.hk converts into uppercut KD from way further than uriens st.hp ever did, and with faster startup and a better extended hit box.
If u need training against a good birdie ill hook you up with one of my friends. He’s super diamond.
And which steam account are you on nowadays lol.
I’m on an account named Gentlemanfinn , ive not played the total Sagat one for yonks.
Hit me up for sure!! Always looking to play good players.
Yeah, that’s basically the premise. Giving your characters options to play by the rules the game sets isn’t really that bad of an idea tbh.
Man I should start frequenting this place more, last time I’ve posted here been so long it’s almost time for a new lounge thread
Let me know if you’re available tomorrow or Thursday night.
Is your timezone GMT +8 too? I can set something up
We usually play 9pm - 12am Singapore time on weekdays.
Perfecto , ima night owl too.
I’m Perth time,which I think is the same as Singapore. 9pm Thursday should be sweet, I leave work Thursday afternoon for 6 days.
Sweet. Let’s play this Thursday at 9pm!
Trying to arrange for u to play with one of the 09ers. He whoops that super diamond birdie friend but he’s on his honey moon right now.
Oh wait is there a typo in your msg? .
Cuz you leave work Thursday afternoon for 6 days.
Meaning we should play on Wednesday 9pm?
Let me know…
I’ll try to arrange with my friends.
Got a strong Ibuki, Juri, Fang (the 3 09ers)
Strong birdie
A Not bad Alex and a zeku.
The rest are weak sauce like me.
“He has this range just shy of st.mp where st.lk is really his only smart choice, and when he’s in that he feels a little helpless against some of characters with solid mid poke choices, I’d say cr.hp but it’s just fucking slow”
Cr mp?
No I’m at work now. I leave ( as in leave my work) on Thursday. Then I’m home til the following Wednesday.
Not played in 8 days, but that’s normal for me. Will warm up the tiger feet.