I do like the idea about possibly having the bottom 8 of a division battle the top 8 of the next division occasionally. It’s similar to the inter-divisional battles, but makes a fighter more aware of their ranking in a division in terms of having a chance to move up or possibly having someone take your spot from below.
I’ll think about it some more, and how it could be applied to league play. Currently, I am aiming to have inter-divisional battles every 3 or 4 weeks.
Thanx for the feedback guys! I welcome & encourage all ideas (especially for Special Events). They will all be taken into consideration in order to create a more fun yet competitive League.
Very understandable. But you make assumptions that staying the champ of a lesser league will somehow make you better than moving up and playing stronger opponents. Whick is obviously not true. The best way to improve is by playing better opponents. So moving up gradually, even if you can’t beat the champ is the best way to improve. Personally I would rather be ranked #5 in gold than champ of the silver. Anyway. Like you said with auto promotions it probably works the same anyway.
True. With all the dropouts & additions in previous weeks, it was very rare for a fighter to be champion of a lesser division for more than two weeks in a row. Now that the divisions are set at a maximum of 16, we may introduce a new rule that the Champion of a division (other than GOLD) will automatically challenge the #15 ranked fighter in the higher division IF THEY DEFEND THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP 3 or 4 TIMES IN A ROW. However, one loss and they have to start over if they reclaim the title. The title defenses would exclude inter-divisional matches.
I do like this rule, in fact, I like it a lot. It gives everyone more motiviation to become Champion of their division, and force their way into a new division with constant title defenses especially if no one drops out of the League. Thanx for the idea, SBL21. The inter-divisional matches will give everyone else a chance to move up as well, but only the Champ gets additional perks. Also, it serves as motivation to stay out of the #15 ranking since the Champion may challenge you & take your spot. Not sure where the #15 fighter would go in the lower division tho - I don’t think they should automatically become champion of the lower division. Perhaps he/she will fall to #4, the ranking given to the defeated fighter in a title fight. Hmmm…
I’ll think about it some more, and institute the rule for Week 13.
Yeah, the byes was the thing that stil had me scratching my head. That is the main reason why everyone has 2 fighters each - to always have an even # of fighters in the League so that everyone has 2 matches per week.
Perhaps, the #1 ranked fighter will also get a shot at the higher division along with the champion, if only to prevent any bye weeks. Even tho the #1 contender gets a ‘free’ shot at the higher division, they will not have direct control over it. It’s a benefit of being #1 in the ‘right’ week based solely on the Division champ earning a shot at the higher division.
Sample Breakdown:
GOLD #14 vs SILVER champ GOLD #14 fighter: win = keeps GOLD rank / loss = becomes new SILVER champ
SILVER champ: win = GOLD rank #14 / loss = remains SILVER champ
GOLD #15 fighter vs. SILVER #1 fighter GOLD #15 fighter: win = keeps GOLD rank / loss = falls to #1 fighter in SILVER division
SILVER #1 fighter: win = GOLD rank #15 / loss = remains #1 fighter in SILVER division
I think this makes the most logical sense, even tho I’m not thrilled with the #14 GOLD fighter becoming a champion IF he/she loses. But otherwise, the scernio will get very confusing if they fall any lower in the SILVER division & create some chaos for the top of the SILVER division in the 2v3/4v5/6v7 matchups.
I’ll have to brainstorm some more, but this wil probably be the most likely scenerio.
If you just promote the champ and demote #15 to whatever then it works itself out just as you already do for autopromotions from people dropping out. I think that is simpler and only rewards the champ. Wherever you demote #15 to won’t matter as long as it’s reasonable. I’m like you though. He shouldn’t be champ. any rank from #2 to #4 seems fair.
No, I don’t ever want to ‘take down’ anyone automatically. The SILVER champ still has to EARN his way into the higher division by winning his match. No free rides - everyone has to earn or lose their spot.
The champ did earn his spot by beating all the challengers. The #1 challenger will be his first week as #1 under yor current system and you give him a shot to move up imediately because someone else did all the work to get him that shot (champ won 3 weeks in a row)? I understand not wanting to demote someone, but if they win more they will be back up sooner also. If not they deserve to be in the lower di ision. More incentive not to be at the bottom. Think of it like major and minor leagues. People deserving move up. People not move down.
You don’t need to implement it until week 14 since you are doing the interdivisional matches in week 13. So we can brainstorm a little while longer and come up with something.
The champ earned his spot by defeating lower division challengers, not GOLD fighters (in our example).
I agree with you on the #1 ranked fighter getting a free ‘ride’, whcih doesn’t make sense it’s the Champion that did all the work, yet both lower division fighters still have to WIN to move up.
And the falling top division fighter shouldn’t automatically become champion, but this current setup is the easiest versus several ‘what if’ results.
But your’re right on your 2nd post - we don’t need to decide now since next week is inter-divisional fights, and all champions will barely have 1 defense going into next week anyway.
By all means don’t give anyone a free ride. Just give the 2 people that would be left out a bye if you have to. Or let them have an “unsactioned” meaning doesn’t count for or against them, with the other member that would be left out. This should be, in our Gold/Silver example, #14 Gold vs #15 Silver. Yes, it is a big disparity in ranking, but about the same as regular inter-divisional matches.
As an afterthought: Think about what the number #15 did to “earn” his spot. Lost to everyone in his division? Or at least a few of them. It’s not really taking something away from him as it is making sure everyone is in the appropriate level skill wise. I do feel like you do, that the Champ should win to move up, but I was thinking more about keeping things simple.
Sorry for the millions of posts, but I think I have it.
Sample Breakdown:
GOLD #14 vs SILVER #1 fighter
GOLD #14 fighter:
win = keeps GOLD rank
loss = drops to GOLD #15
(really doesn’t matter since #14 and #15 will play the next week anyway)
SILVER #1 fighter:
win = becomes new SILVER champ
loss = remains SILVER #1 fighter
**GOLD #15 fighter vs. SILVER champ **
GOLD #15 fighter:
win = keeps GOLD rank or moves to GOLD #14 if current #14 lost
loss = falls to SILVER Champ or SILVER #1 fighter depending on the result of G14 vs S1
(Doesn’t matter that much since Champ plays #1 the next week anyway).
SILVER champ:
win = GOLD rank #15 or #14 depending on the result of G14 vs S1
loss = remains champ in SILVER division if current #1 loses to GOLD #14 /
drops to Silver #1 if current SILVER #1 wins agains GOLD #14
(Again doesn’t matter since Champ plays #1 the next week anyway).
No matter who becomes champ of SILVER division they have to defend the Championship 3 weeks in a row again before getting another shot at moving up.
This is a little more complicated, but I think it is the most fair way to do it. It keeps the Champ as the only one that has earned the right to move up, but keeps the other players’ schedules the same.
Unfortunately, the Winner of SILVER #2 vs #3 won’t be able to move up and the loser of GOLD #12 vs #13 won’t move down properly for 1 week though.
(Winner of SILVER #2 vs #3 can’t move up to #1 contender, they would just stay #2 and loser of GOLD #12 vs #13 would stay #13)
If this is not it, then it is at least going in the right direction.
I think that the way the league is structured is fine as it is. As Longhorn said eventually people will end up in the bracket that they should be in just like on Champ mode.
There may need to be some tweaks though if the league gets really huge with like 500 members.
Longhorn will need a dedicated Admin team to help run it efficiently. I’m already unsure about what will happen when Longhorn has 100 league friends on his PSN. How many accounts will he have to make? How long does it take to send 500 people updates over the PSN I wonder? It will become a full time job and Longhorn won’t even have time to play his own matches lol.
I won my matches against Mr. Flowers.
Balrog 2-1
Ryu 2-0
The connection was terrible, 1 bar, and we lost connection twice during the Ryu vs Gen match. As much as I would like to play the whole world. It’s just not realistic to have anyone other than North America in the league. There is a reason that the Gamestop/Capcom tournaments were not worldwide. So, I don’t know if 1 week is enough to determine the validity of Europe, and for that matter Asia, Australia, and Africa in the league or not, but so far I vote not. Nothing personal, it’s just the nature of the internet. Maybe they could have their own division, I don’t know. Or maybe Europe connection to East coast is ok, and Asia to West Coast? I don’t know. But just letting you know.
Thanx for the updates guys. Congrats to the winners.
I’ll keep thinking about the current discussion. Don’t have to decide on anything soon since 3 of the 6 champions have already lost this week. As for the other 3, GOLD isn’t impacted by the rule and B & C Division title matches have yet to be played.
***** WEEK 12 DEADLINE IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 10th *****
GOLD DIVISION
Week 12 - August 31st, 2009
#2 Rank vs. #3 Rank: The3Dragons RYU vs. BankerD SAGAT #6 Rank vs. #7 Rank: Deliriousidiot BLANKA vs. The3Dragons CHUN LI #8 Rank vs. #9 Rank: Oxn SAGAT vs. StylishCajun CHUN LI #12 Rank vs. #13 Rank: Sambhi92 SAGAT vs. EncodedNybble ABEL #14 Rank vs. #15 Rank: Tigerz_Bone_21 SAGAT vs. StylishCajun GEN
SILVER DIVISION
Week 12 - August 31st, 2009
#2 Rank vs. #3 Rank: CapitolC BLANKA vs. Coppermine2002 CHUN LI #6 Rank vs. #7 Rank: Deliriousidiot KEN vs. Devon202 AKUMA #8 Rank vs. #9 Rank: BlastFurnace2K ROSE vs. Oxn CAMMY #12 Rank vs. #13 Rank: Emu_20 KEN vs. EncodedNybble SAGAT #14 Rank vs. #15 Rank: Emu_20 CAMMY vs. Sambhi92 RYU
BRONZE DIVISION
Week 12 - August 31st, 2009
#2 Rank vs. #3 Rank: Manwithnoarms M. BISON vs. CapitolC KEN #4 Rank vs. #5 Rank: XxUltimaCloudxX RUFUS vs. Kurokiba13 BLANKA #10 Rank vs. #11 Rank: Eltwopee BLANKA vs. Manwithnoarms RYU
A DIVISION
Week 12 - August 31st, 2009
#2 Rank vs. #3 Rank: Exploshun RYU vs. Drunkengamers7 EL FUERTE #8 Rank vs. #9 Rank: Shusty BALROG vs. Meieden CHUN LI #10 Rank vs. #11 Rank: FuneralPartier M. BISON vs. Broken_kira M. BISON #12 Rank vs. #13 Rank: Imac2much BALROG vs. Squallio RYU
B DIVISION
Week 12 - August 31st, 2009
#2 Rank vs. #3 Rank: Exploshun DAN vs. Drunkengamers7 SAGAT #4 Rank vs. #5 Rank: KDZaster AKUMA vs. Silvagst3 KEN #10 Rank vs. #11 Rank: FuneralPartier SAGAT vs. Osisii KEN #12 Rank vs. #13 Rank: Shusty SAGAT vs. Squallio BALROG
