SFA3 for evo tourney!

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Let’s get one thing clear. I respect SRK for allowing me to post negatively in regards to their decisions. It’s not as if they couldn’t just ban me at any given time. It’s nice to know that they respect freedom of speech and opinion. That is, indeed, respectable. It’s obvious that I don’t bring any fun for them. Still, I don’t have to respect their decisions to respect them. There is nothing personal in this for me. On a personal level, I’m grateful for the years of contributions that they have made to the SF scene in the past. Now, however, I feel that they are turning their back on that. It still does not subtract from my appreciation for their past efforts. I merely have no appreciation for their current line of thinking. I’m really trying to drive this point home since, well, you’re not the only one missing it. Still, I’m not going to add in every post “love what you’ve done but, you suck lately.”

Any more real points?..

Geez. I can’t believe I have to explain this. I meant that there is no console port comparable to the arcade. They are all vastly different from the tournament version(arcade). So no, there are ZERO accurate ports of A3. I’m dumbfounded by the necessity to explain that.

Dude, were you at Evo? You’re a fool to believe that ppl played 100%. Even those that did well had major stick problems on every game. The only difference is that nothing can be done because pausing causes a loss. So, you’re CLUELESS here. I mean, I’m pretty sure Paul Lee and J.R.(not sure) said “fuck this” and played their tourney match on 3s downstairs in the arcade. You’re believing a fairy tale. I’ve been to plenty of majors and never have I heard so many complaints regarding controls. Sure, on paper, it looks like bringin’ your own stick would lead to less complaints. In reality, however, that was CLEARLY not the case and quite the opposite was fact.

Also, it’s the tournament that makes it meaningful. Without accurate controls, the tourney isn’t accurate and therefore, doesn’t hold as much merit as a tourney with solid controls for everyone. Again, I’ll agree to disagree here. You think SF is great as being some sort of videogame convention. Let me help you out. SF has ALWAYS been about the competition. When the competition is compromised, it’s LESS meaningful to tourney players. Maybe YOU think it means something. I think you’re nutz.

lol. What have I done? Wtf have you done. I was the first SF tourney holder to include other fighters and also the first player/tourney holder to give away $1000 in cash out of my pocket. At that time, it was the most EVER offered to any player. Valle won that, btw. Just because I have little interest in organizing a tourney doesn’t mean that I haven’t done anything. The fact is, I’ve done more than you and 90% of all players in the scene. In fact, I was the first person(along with Jeff Schaefer) to hold an interenet gathering when folks said that no one would travel for a video-game and SF. That is where I met Tom for the first time.

Yo, I could go on but, I don’t think I’ve done much but, in comparison to the majority, I’m beyond reproach because I actually have put time and effort and money into SF and have tried to add to the flavor. In fact, many of my ideas are ported elsewhere nowadays. Hell, I was the first person in years to hold an ST tourney while it was dead. B3 followed suit and ppl still weren’t interested. Then, it started to catch on with others after seeing the respect we gave it despite its’ lack of popularity. I suppose my way of thinking was ok for back then but inapplicable today?

Anyway, you stepped in it. I’ve done more than you think and haven’t been like many who JUST post. I have done shit and plenty. What have you done? That’s right, jack shit. I may blow a lot of hot air but at least I have substance to back it up. You’re little more than emotional babble without any merit to your words. You go do something and come back to me. Better yet, go do something that sets a new standard. Go and hold your own tourney and grab 2g from your pocket and hand it to the top player and watch some follow. I remember after I gave the $1000 away, Jayson M(SJG guy who ran A3 nationals) pulled me aside and told him I fucked him because now, they had to budget $1000 for the a3 national when they originally had intended $500. Yep, I’ve actually had some good influence on the scene before(GASP).

No, it was earned by running tourneys the way the players wanted them to be run. Now, it’s big enough and encompasses more gaming scenes(since SFs is dwindling) so they don’t have to do what the players want anymore. Ppl will show up because they know others will. It’s a gathering now, little more. That’s what I mean by them buying their influence. Evo would never have gotten so big had they made decisions in the same way. Or rather, it wouldn’t have been so respected. Now, after they have their support, that they gained by appeasing players and those players helped spread the word, they are doing whatever the fuck they want. Way to keep it real. See, to me, that’s what it’s like when a head gets to big for the hat.

I quote this because it’s funny how you’re a part of the “we.” Appointed staff(not that I know that you are) means little. Anyone can be staff. It’s up to TnT. The fact that most SRK staff prefers A2 to A3 is laughable and shows that the opinions of staff need to be analyzed instead of just accepted. I find it hilarious how SRK likes to follow Japan but, the Japanese can’t stand console and consider A2 to be a supremely scrubby game(that’s why there was only one national yet, they STILL have national events for A3). Hey, popular opinion can still be stupid. How about asking the best players in the country. Yep, A3 will top their list in a side by side comparison. The folks that understand the games the most, on all levels, will choose A3, and THAT is a fact. We’ll have to agree to disagree here again. I’m more inclined to go with the opinions of those that have proven superiority in their understanding although, that’s hard to do nowadays since everything is free to come by on the net. Still, some SRK staff consider KI a worthy fighter when, even in its’ time of popularity most considered it the newest gimmick a la MK. Graphics and combos but little substance. I don’t care what an idiot thinks. It’s one thing to say that A2 is more fun, it’s quite another to claim it is superior to A3. A statement like that is blatantly stupid to anyone who can analyze the two accurately. ANY idiot can play A2. I swear if most of SRK staff believe A2 to be superior, it’s NO WONDER they’re making some retarded decisions. There’s an analytical problem occuring.

Yes, I get your criteria and I think it’s stupid. That’s my opinion. Quality over popularity for me. Popularity would lead to all sorts of stupid mainstream games at Evo. If Evo went that route, I’d just laugh at it and be glad that I was done:)
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Let’s get one thing clear. I respect SRK for allowing me to post negatively in regards to their decisions. It’s not as if they couldn’t just ban me at any given time. It’s nice to know that they respect freedom of speech and opinion. That is, indeed, respectable. It’s obvious that I don’t bring any fun for them. Still, I don’t have to respect their decisions to respect them. There is nothing personal in this for me. On a personal level, I’m grateful for the years of contributions that they have made to the SF scene in the past. Now, however, I feel that they are turning their back on that. It still does not subtract from my appreciation for their past efforts. I merely have no appreciation for their current line of thinking. I’m really trying to drive this point home since, well, you’re not the only one missing it. Still, I’m not going to add in every post “love what you’ve done but, you suck lately.”

Any more real points?..

Geez. I can’t believe I have to explain this. I meant that there is no console port comparable to the arcade. They are all vastly different from the tournament version(arcade). So no, there are ZERO accurate ports of A3. I’m dumbfounded by the necessity to explain that.

Dude, were you at Evo? You’re a fool to believe that ppl played 100%. Even those that did well had major stick problems on every game. The only difference is that nothing can be done because pausing causes a loss. So, you’re CLUELESS here. I mean, I’m pretty sure Paul Lee and J.R.(not sure) said “fuck this” and played their tourney match on 3s downstairs in the arcade. You’re believing a fairy tale. I’ve been to plenty of majors and never have I heard so many complaints regarding controls. Sure, on paper, it looks like bringin’ your own stick would lead to less complaints. In reality, however, that was CLEARLY not the case and quite the opposite was fact.

Also, it’s the tournament that makes it meaningful. Without accurate controls, the tourney isn’t accurate and therefore, doesn’t hold as much merit as a tourney with solid controls for everyone. Again, I’ll agree to disagree here. You think SF is great as being some sort of videogame convention. Let me help you out. SF has ALWAYS been about the competition. When the competition is compromised, it’s LESS meaningful to tourney players. Maybe YOU think it means something. I think you’re nutz.

lol. What have I done? Wtf have you done. I was the first SF tourney holder to include other fighters and also the first player/tourney holder to give away $1000 in cash out of my pocket. At that time, it was the most EVER offered to any player. Valle won that, btw. Just because I have little interest in organizing a tourney doesn’t mean that I haven’t done anything. The fact is, I’ve done more than you and 90% of all players in the scene. In fact, I was the first person(along with Jeff Schaefer) to hold an interenet gathering when folks said that no one would travel for a video-game and SF. That is where I met Tom for the first time.

Yo, I could go on but, I don’t think I’ve done much but, in comparison to the majority, I’m beyond reproach because I actually have put time and effort and money into SF and have tried to add to the flavor. In fact, many of my ideas are ported elsewhere nowadays. Hell, I was the first person in years to hold an ST tourney while it was dead. B3 followed suit and ppl still weren’t interested. Then, it started to catch on with others after seeing the respect we gave it despite its’ lack of popularity. I suppose my way of thinking was ok for back then but inapplicable today?

Anyway, you stepped in it. I’ve done more than you think and haven’t been like many who JUST post. I have done shit and plenty. What have you done? That’s right, jack shit. I may blow a lot of hot air but at least I have substance to back it up. You’re little more than emotional babble without any merit to your words. You go do something and come back to me. Better yet, go do something that sets a new standard. Go and hold your own tourney and grab 2g from your pocket and hand it to the top player and watch some follow. I remember after I gave the $1000 away, Jayson M(SJG guy who ran A3 nationals) pulled me aside and told him I fucked him because now, they had to budget $1000 for the a3 national when they originally had intended $500. Yep, I’ve actually had some good influence on the scene before(GASP).

No, it was earned by running tourneys the way the players wanted them to be run. Now, it’s big enough and encompasses more gaming scenes(since SFs is dwindling) so they don’t have to do what the players want anymore. Ppl will show up because they know others will. It’s a gathering now, little more. That’s what I mean by them buying their influence. Evo would never have gotten so big had they made decisions in the same way. Or rather, it wouldn’t have been so respected. Now, after they have their support, that they gained by appeasing players and those players helped spread the word, they are doing whatever the fuck they want. Way to keep it real. See, to me, that’s what it’s like when a head gets to big for the hat.
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I quote this because it’s funny how you’re a part of the “we.” Appointed staff(not that I know that you are) means little. Anyone can be staff. It’s up to TnT. The fact that most SRK staff prefers A2 to A3 is laughable and shows that the opinions of staff need to be analyzed instead of just accepted. I find it hilarious how SRK likes to follow Japan but, the Japanese can’t stand console and consider A2 to be a supremely scrubby game(that’s why there was only one national yet, they STILL have national events for A3). Hey, popular opinion can still be stupid. How about asking the best players in the country. Yep, A3 will top their list in a side by side comparison. The folks that understand the games the most, on all levels, will choose A3, and THAT is a fact. We’ll have to agree to disagree here again. I’m more inclined to go with the opinions of those that have proven superiority in their understanding although, that’s hard to do nowadays since everything is free to come by on the net. Still, some SRK staff consider KI a worthy fighter when, even in its’ time of popularity most considered it the newest gimmick a la MK. Graphics and combos but little substance. I don’t care what an idiot thinks. It’s one thing to say that A2 is more fun, it’s quite another to claim it is superior to A3. A statement like that is blatantly stupid to anyone who can analyze the two accurately. ANY idiot can play A2. I swear if most of SRK staff believe A2 to be superior, it’s NO WONDER they’re making some retarded decisions. There’s an analytical problem occuring.

Yes, I get your criteria and I think it’s stupid. That’s my opinion. Quality over popularity for me. Popularity would lead to all sorts of stupid mainstream games at Evo. If Evo went that route, I’d just laugh at it and be glad that I was done:)

Yep, stupid insults backed by hypocracy. Gotta love it, lol.

Really, about what? To me, all yall care about is numbers now. You wanted Evo to grow prematurely and therefore put its’ integrity on the line. I know yall care. That’s not in question. The fact is, Tom and Tony don’t “care” in the same way they used to. Look at history. Decisions are not made based on the same philosophies. I believe the Cannon’s of B3 to have a superior way of thinking regarding their influence.

THAT is SRK’s problem. Any disagreement is without merit cuz it’s merely whining. Calling it whining is not addressing the issues but, they don’t care about that. They are above defending their position, lol.

Funny, that’s what I’ve been saying. Hell, should I make a list of all the points I’ve made that haven’t been addressed? lol of course not. SRK doesn’t care that the GG players wanted XX or that they put their foot in their mouth regarding console improving the cvs2 tourney and making it 2of3 or the fact that players warned about the problems of DCs and controller issues well in advance…etc. Nope, there’s no reason for me to believe that they give a flying fuck about what we think.

Thanks for giving me another reason to rant, lol.

Next time, try sticking to the issues instead of mindless insults. As I’m sure you can see, I went easy on you. Sticking to the issues will make you look less like a hypocrit or idiot. Just some friendly advice for you. But, like SRK, I suppose you’ll just continue to act like a dumbass because it goes against what I’m saying, lol. Again, I only laugh at that shit.

Apoc.

P.S. Sorry for going off-topic fellas. I was called out and it seemed a lil fun to reply.

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I will say this, you certainly deserve to just go and compete and enjoy a tourney on the level of Evo. I know it must suck to not just be able to enjoy it without the stress for once.

Perhaps something like this will happen:)

Yes, you are right. I am not willing to put forth a full effort at this time. Therefore, I wouldn’t make any claims that I were making an attempt. Right now, there are a few things that are far more important than SF to me. I believe SF will always have the ability to resurrect itself so, if I’m not free to do something for some time and things dwindle, I don’t feel it’ll ever be over as long as I’m willing to put the effort into it. Thinking like this, I’d rather focus on something like that when I feel more free to do so with full effort. Anything less than that is pointless. I have no interest in doing anything half-assed. That isn’t to say that when I’m done with some things that I won’t be interested in focusing on a project regarding SF. Still, I’m not going to apologize or think that I should keep my opinions to myself simply because I have other priorities. Unless the scene becomes so stale and weakminded to the point where it depresses me to associate myself with it, it’s likely that I will organize something within the next few years. Then again, it’s possible that I’ll think that the SF scene that I could appreciate is gone and replaced by something I’d rather scoff at. If that’s the case, you’ll probably notice that I’ve disappeared from SRK too.

It isn’t like I’m married to SF. If it doesn’t act right, I don’t have to stay committed. I can just walk away when it turns ghey, lol.

I guess I’ll see what kind of personality I’ll attribute to the scene in the years to come. At this rate though, I’m more likely to end up making fun of the scene and myself for being so into it, lol. I sure hope it doesn’t become that embarassing for me. I think the other organizers out there are a large part of how the equation will work out. I’ll wait and see, for now.

I’m offering another point of view as opposed to your own, at this point. To you, you may feel me petty and insulting but some actually agree with me. If you take things that I say so personally, that’s unfortunate. However, I would understand if you banned me due to my causing such negative emotion. I would think it a form of censorship and control but, I’d understand the emotion behind it and not take any offense. So, please, ban me if you’re so inclined. It will certainly save you from coming across my posts that are so offensive. Of course, I’m going to use my voice here for as long as I’m allowed.

Apoc.

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I’m sick about this debate… seriously. It’s always the same every year. I just don’t think the cannons want/like A3 plain and simple. It really seems like they are biased against A3 and the players who represent it.

They didn’t include it in Apex, they didn’t even give it it’s own section in the strategy forums (even though the A3 thread is one of the biggest and most active in SRK), and they haven’t held a tournament in it since B5.

Every single person I talk to about evo, they say “hey how come there’s no A3 at evo when there’s like 10 other games ?”… sorry but Apoc has a very valid argument about VF4. The game has 0 scene in the US, yet it’s at evo.

And I don’t like the MWC excuse, it was on a friday and there was almost no one there, so all the games on friday and even on saturday has low turnouts.

My opinion is that you don’t know how A3 will fare at evo until you hold a tournament in it at evo. The last A3 tournament you held was at B5, and it was successful. We can argue all we want but in the end it’s the cannons who decide whether to have it or not.

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A3 is like the worst thing that has happened to SF, firstly all these people talk for days about A3, then when people go to evo for A3, there’s not even a side tournament, the excuse: “Oh well we shouldn’t need to have a side tournament it should be in evo”. There was an agreement that there would at least be an effort for a 64 man A3 tournament, players were looking for that, where did it go? The fact is that the A3 players have been completely dissed by the supposed A3 community leaders, who then are trying to blame evo for their failures.

Noone in their right mind looks to the cannons for what SF game to play, they look around, and A3 has provided little for the community in the past few years, so why should the community reward it with a spot at evo?

Everytime the community has bought into this A3 hype they’ve been dissed, so you just try to skip the community and hope the cannons will do what the A3 community has been unwilling to do.

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As much as Apoc and I and many others would like to see alpha 3 at evolution, I feel that srk thinks alpha 3 has had its day. However I also think that if the alpha 3 players in America start to play the game again and remember how good the game is and start running regular tournaments and show the SRK staff that it is worth having as a game in an upcommng evolution tournament am sure things would change and alpha 3 would be put back it in the evolution line up.
hypothetically say alpha 3 was popular and was going to feature in next years evolution, there is still the problem of what version to have it on, if the arcade version is out of the question there is no point in alpha 3 at all.

Now all that said, I feel that shoryuken.com is partly to blame for the alpha 3 scene in America going down the toilet. Even if the game is not in arcades and not popular in local tournaments, the fact is having that game in your tournament made people want to play it. Not having it in your tournament is just killing the game altogether. By bringing the game back to EVO you will revive the game automatically. Once players know the game is featuring at evo they will start to play it again and am sure it will be in all the local tournaments from now until next years evolution.

Having alpha 3 at evolution also brings interest to Europe. When Ryan hart and iron mike came back from last years evo and told me how good evolution was I made up my mind right there and then that I wanted to go. But I thought to myself, why would I want to go to usa and play in some console tournament, I don`t own a console and the tournament does not have any of the games I play so why bother. One of the main reasons I went to evo was to play alpha 3. 15 Europeans went to this years evolution. Having games we play in the evo line up is a sure way to attract more Europeans for next years evolution.

A 5 on 5 Exhibition in any game will bring a lot of European interest to evo. I know the French players would jump at the chance to come to America for an exhibition in cvs2 3rd strike or soul caliber. Italy has the largest tekken community in Europe and is full of great players, but most of them dont have a reason to travel all the way to America.

Having games that are popular in Europe will make europeans want to travel to America. Alpha 3 for example.

I saw no more than 2 or 3 3rd strike and super turbo machines running at any given time throughout evolution. I dont see why arcade machines cant be bought to replace the console versions of these games. Buying machines and boards will cost a lot I know, but in the long run it will pay off. Once you have your own machines and boards you dont have to worry about dreamcasts and playstations and new or better versions of the game coming out. Once you buy them thats it. You have a foundation to build on. You then have options, you can simply leave them in storage until the next evolution, or you can leave them at the arcade I am sure you can make some if not ALL of your money back in one year of leasing your machines to the arcade.
You guys dont seem to have a problem with funding, plus there is an arcade full of machines right under the tournament hall, why cant these machines be used? Machines are not cheap I know, and running tournaments on arcade can be troublesome, but no more than running it on consoles. Super Turbo and 3rd strike should be arcade version.

I have a Question to the SRK staff, if alpha 3 becomes popular again and has a chance to appear at a future evolution it all comes down to one question, what version will it be on?

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The reason an A3 tourney wasn’t pushed at Evo was because we didn’t have usable controls. It was only available on Supergun and one of the sticks you couldn’t even move for better positioning because the cord was too short. That’s the bottom line. If the controls are iffy, a tourney is pointless. Some will make them work and some won’t be able to do shit.

Also, no where did I see anyone mention that they were attempting a 64 man A3 tourney at Evo. Where you got that idea, I’d like to know cuz that’s all new to me.

Also, who the hell are the A3 community leaders? Did I miss the voting? Who are you talking about?

You’re in denial or a fool to think that no one in their right mind looks to Evo for direction. You live in a fantasy world if you don’t see that this is CLEARLY the case. I’m not blaming the Cannon’s for that though.

A3 has not provided anything for the community? Wtf? That’s ONLY since Evo dropped it. If Evo held it and it still wasn’t hype, I might by that line of bullshit.

On the real, the entire community will never buy into A3 “hype” unless it’s repped at Evo. Like VF4, I don’t think folks are going to complain if A3 was given a chance. Afterall, there is no evidence that points to A3 having a poor turn-out at Evo.

Quite honestly, I believe ppl are just waiting for SRK to take A3 seriously. If SRK did again, A3 would dwarf half of the tourneys at Evo by its 2nd year. See, A3 at Evo makes all other A3 efforts easier and more successful IMMEDIATELY. Having it at Evo would make it easy to rejuvenate the scene. Without it, it’s much harder. There was NEVER a reason to have ST at prior tourneys. It was only because players pushed it into tourneys that it finally caught on again(it kind of helped that all of the top players at the time respected the game). It wasn’t until about ‘98 that ST really started to catch on again. It was all but dead for a few years. Now, look at it. Apply the same philosophy to A3 and watch what happens. It’s a pretty simple formula. Otherwise, SRK is just making it hard to rejuvenate the scene while taunting us. Why not meet half way, give eachothers’ perspectives the benefit of the doubt, experiment by having it at Evo and then see what happens. What’s the worst that can happen? OMG, A3 players would be satisfied too! That wouldn’t do! Appeasing SF players like that? I should know better than to be suggesting, lol.

Apoc.

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Argue it all you want, but if we keep only playing games that are new or popular, the scene is going to die within a couple of years. The point is, there WOULD be more people for A3 than at least one other game(maybe even any of the 3d fighters), it’s ludicrous that we should only play popular games, hell DOA is more popular than 3s + Marvel + CvS2, let’s make that a tourney game! The scene cannot survive off of the newest games, we only have a few more games coming out, EVER! Here’s another problem, even if someone wants to organize something, are people going to come to show support for “get 64 people and we might start considering putting in A3” Again, I don’t see why popularity should dictate what games we play, however many enter a tournament there’s still only 2 people playing at a time…

EDIT: Great post mr. Poc

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Actually, I like A3 more than 7 of the 9 Evo games (I only like ST and GGXX more).

How about A3 at evo (byoc)? How about A3…anywhere! I don’t get it. The bar has been set incredibly low: prove there’s a decent sized A3 following (by holding a decent sized tournament) and we can talk about it. It’s been that way for 2 years now, but no one in the A3 community seems too excited about doing anything.

There’s a reason why we don’t just throw A3 in there without an objective justification. Every fan of every decent fighting game would cry foul. What about KOF? DOA? Alpha 2? Everyone would say that we added A3 just because we like it or that we’re doing it for our friends. And they would be right! There has to be some kind of universal standard, so that we can say Evo caters to the top competitive fighting games, not just the ones we personally like.

Since it keeps coming up, I’ll say one thing about VF. Both VF tournaments at Evo have had over 70 people. Go organize a 70+ A3 tournament before you try to tell me that A3 belongs at Evo before VF.

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That’s not quite a valid comparison, since you are comparing an international event to at best a regional level event. If A3 was at evo, it would most certainly get that many players, probably more. The difference between A3 and DoA, KOF, and any other random game is that A3 has a huge player base that played, and A3 was the premier game at one point, none of those other games have had any real tournament presence. As a game, A3 has been thoroughly proven to have merits as a high level game, the others have not. That’s why the "get a big tourney, then will consider it) argument doesn’t really work for A3 as it does for other games, A3 has been there, A3 has proven itself as a game people have played, and it has proven itself as a tourney level game. May I also say, that in the other majors where you cite low turnout, ST and 3s don’t usually do THAT well either…

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The same is true for A2, A1, 2i, SF3, HF, MvC1, and XSF.

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SO when are you gyus holding an A3 tournament? Seriously.

I see a bunch of Saturns for sale on ebay, some of them for $12…so I don’t see money being a great excuse.

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Everyone of those games has had a sequel that took it’s place.

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Did you ask the VF people to organize a 70+ VF4 tournament before you had it at evo ?

Peopl who play A3 all think that it will have a 64+ turnout at evo, myself included…

I’m doing my part inkbot, I organized an Alpha 3 tournament at T5 and it had 20 people. Now that seems low, but consider that 3S had 31 people and CVS2 had 40 people. That’s not bad, it had 50-60% of the cvs2 and 3s numbers. This is some data to support our theory that A3 will have a very good showing at evo.

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How can I let this pass without comment?

Firstly, it’s beyond ridiculous for you to think that VF would get more players than A3. What could possibly make you think something so OBVIOUSLY far from the truth? I suppose it’s more reasonable for you not to hold A3 if you actually believed this but, this is incredibly hard to buy.

In FACT, how many players did B5 have for A3 at b5? How many did A3 have at MWC that year? That’s right! Less than 70 at MWC(not even close iirc. I could look it up but, I was there so…)and what happened at B5? Yes, b5 entrants dwarfed every tourney including MWC. I’m almost positive that A3 didn’t have 64 ppl at mwc that year yet it was one of the biggest tourneys of B5. I suppose players just didn’t have enough to choose from? Pshh. The point is, history shows that other nationals don’t come close to gauging Evo/B tournies. It should be noted that EVERY A3 tourney that has been held by SRK has had a healthy number of entrants.

I’ll make a bet. If you hold vf4 and A3 at the same event, I’ll dress like Dorothy and jump on stage and cry “there’s no place like home” if VF gets a single entry more than A3. Of course, that’s a crazy fantasy but, I’m more than willing to embarass myself for the cause. If A3 has more, which it OBVIOUSLY would(I don’t know which fighting game scene you’ve been around cuz…it ain’t reality), there is no loss to you.

You are also full of it to say that other gaming communities would cry foul. What difference does that make when you don’t even care about the A3 community crying foul? Hmmm? Yep, it sure looks like SF takes a back seat, now. This is SRK. It’s foolish for ANYone to trip over SRK representing a STREET FIGHTER GAME. That would be so stupid that I can’t believe that you use that as a good reason to not hold A3. Because morons would cry foul? #1. No they wouldn’t since, well, this is SHORYUKEN.com and that should go without saying. #2. If they cried foul, you could just tell them the same crap that you tell A3 players now. Again, convenient thinking, only, this time, it’s gotten ridiculous. Yeah, VF is more popular in the US than A3. That is a COMPLETELY meritless claim. History can judge. VF is a joke next to the A3 scene in the US. I can only assume that you’re confusing the US with Japan. That’s the only reasonable conclusion I can come up with unless you’re in the habit of making ridiculous assumptions to defend your position(not that you need to but, you are, so…). Killer Instinct would have a good shot at beating VF4 in entries if it were added to Evo.

Let’s look at another clear fact. Has VF ever had a turn-out as high as A3 at a b/Evo tourney? Nope. Has A3 ever had as low of a turn-out as VF4 at a b/Evo tourney? Nope. Try and base your reality on some facts here. I mean, you don’t have to but, this shit is obviously wrong and it’s ridiculous to believe things are the way that you’re imagining.

Yo, take the entire list of entries for this year(yeah, the one devoid of most A3 players since it wasn’t repped) and take a frickin’ poll. If given the choice to enter VF4 or A3, which game would they have entered. It would be a landslide in favor of A3. See, SF players play every series, for the most part. A3 would draw from it’s own players, 3s, cvs2, and ST. VF4 just doesn’t have that kind of back up or support and I’m sure that just about everyone but you knows this. Although I never would’ve believed you thought this(still having trouble) had it not come from you. I am floored. Your ideas go against every form of evidence available. The only thing that backs up a claim like yours is assumption. Hmmm, evidence vs assumption? Which to give more credit to?

Now you MUST be playing.

Hold an A3 tourney with 70+ players? How about the last A3 tourney b/Evo had? You needed pools to whittle the field down to 64 ppl. Hella ppl couldn’t even enter the tourney and looked forward to making up for it the next year when you ommitted it. There was no justification for its’ omission. It never has done poorly at an Evo tourney. 70 players isn’t SHIT. A3 would get that easily if it were ALSO at Evo. Show me a VF tourney ANYWHERE that gets 64 ppl that isn’t EVO. Yeah, that doesn’t happen. It’s also not as if you play Tekken that you’ll want to enter Vf4. It’s true for some but it’s nothing like Street Fighter players. See? A3 would not only get players from its’ own scene but it would also draw from the cvs2 crowd as well as 3s and ST because a majority of the players have experience in all popular SFs and A3 has been one of the most popular in the last decade, more popular than ST even.

Yo, fuck it. Drop ST for A3. Why? Because even at B5 and every other tourney, Alpha has surpassed ST EVERY TIME in numbers of entrants. You dissed A3 at Evo2k2 for ST when the year prior, A3 CLEARLY had more entrants. This all goes to show that your reasoning is convenient and full of shit. You had ST because you preferred it. I don’t buy that you like A3. Why not? Because you don’t post about it in ANY way aside from saying that it won’t be at Evo. Having ST at Evo2k2 over A3 was clearly favoritism and not based on popularity like you claim to do now.

Hey, we’re pretty even on the insult front. That line of thinking is pretty insulting to anyone who cares to analyze the situations and the reasons you bring forth.

Show me where VF4 had 64ppl and proved that it had a scene before adding it to Evo. Evo is the ONLY reason you have that many ppl playing. Take it out of Evo and it would go right back into obscurity in the US. VF has lost in every comparison here. The proof is in the pudding folks. Don’t look for it in the bullshit.

Here let me give you a clue if I may quote you again:

Maybe you’ve missed it. Ppl are saying that exact thing only, the difference is that it’s SF players(hometeam bud) that feel this way. Why do they feel this way? Because your bs is so thick. You preach this standard to hold games up to that VF4 WAS NEVER held up to. VF4 would never had stood up to it. Without Evo, VF4 would be thanking its’ lucky stars to get 30 serious competitors. Hell, there is plenty of history regarding the alpha scene and the vf scene in America. VF comes out the scrub. Either you’re simply holding games that you want to or you’re delusional and confused believing the US is Japan. A3 whoops VF4 when put to the test. Sadly, it’s also apparent that you’d rather hear SF players whine than another random fighting game scene. “FOUL!!! SHORYUKEN.COM is putting STREET FIGHTER ALPHA3 before SNK JUST because it’s a STREETFIGHTER game. How ridiculous of “SHORYUKEN.COM” to support SF games first.” (sarcasm off)

Apoc.

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XSF didn’t (MvC2 might be a contuation of the series, but that style of game really was represented by XSF and MvC1, MSF wasn’t great IMO). The XSF players, not being represented, held a tournament that drew a bunch of top players. You might not have noticed because they didn’t spend all day hating on evo, but i’m pretty sure it was there.

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So…You believe that XvSF is a solid competition fighter? Seriously, do you believe that?

Mario Party would get a ton of “Top players”(Sorry, I don’t know any top players that even consider taking xvsf seriously. Although, I know plenty that play it for shits & giggles) but that doesn’t make it a quality fighter and worthy of representation at Evo.

Hey, to me, it’s obvious that 2i would get more entrants than VF4 drawing from both the 3s crowd and the 2i players that dropped off when 3s was released. Here’s an even MORE serious claim. SFA2 would get more entrants than VF4.

The whole discussion is getting pretty funny.

Seriously, I have to hear from you that XvSF is a tourney fighter full of merit. Let me know so that I can begin to think that everyone is going crazy around here.

Apoc.

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since the question of a3 tourneys is being pushed so hard i will start planning a3 at texas showdow 5 now… saving money for top spots ect…

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You’re my f*ckin’ HERO!!!:smiley:

Apoc.