the main question is how is the speed setting next to arcade and is it missing sprite animations like the psx version because i feel that its safe to say:
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Well, the bet wasn’t the only criteria that A3 could be added to Evo. Ponder was just trying to get Apoc to stop whining all over SRK. Apoc is lame because he’s going back on his word – continuing to complain after he said he wouldn’t.
The A3 community isn’t getting penalized. A3 is held to the same standard as every other game. An active tournament scene is required for a game to be considered for Evo.
why dont we try getting a few people to buy saturns localy and haev a few small tournies? down here saturns are $40 and on ebay sf zero is currently at 40 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8126319995&rd=1
i know a lot of people have said tht but if anyboys interested i’ll personally buy a saturn.
a3 is a beast… i know plennnnnntttttyy of people who love that game and play it serious. if evo had it i think there would be a huge scene for it developing everywhere and at least like a 100 to 150 people would enter it at evo minimum… evo is like mid-tier without it… im getting back into the game now that nibor moved here.
Saturn version has slowdown on some V-ISM combos, but is accurate to the arcade version otherwise (I don’t know about the Dhalsim differences). There’s actually a screen setting in the options mode which can change some things (ie Dhalsim can easily s.FP after a blocked Blanka rolling ball attack in one mode, and is harder in another), but if you have everything set right…and can get the hang of some of the combos again (faster stuff like hadou-rave needs to be re-learned a little), you’re good to go.
I used to have a Saturn and Z3, but my old apartment got broken into and it got stolen…guess it’s time I get a new one…
Fair enough. However, I hadn’t taken it as though I couldn’t comment on the issue when hella ppl are talking about it :lame:
I should’ve been more specific. I meant that I wouldn’t be nagging SRK about the issue. However, I brought up many of the other issues I had and ppl kept reading A3 into my posts.
Also, I don’t see where it was a bet. It was more of an agreement.
If you wanted to really bet, it would’ve been easy to announce A3 a month before Evo and bet that it wouldn’t have gotten 64ppl. I would’ve won that bet though, lol. You’re crazy to think that if you added A3 to the line up that you wouldn’t get AT LEAST 64 ppl. I mean, if all the shit you say is true, then only about 20-30 ppl would play AND it’s not an endurance game(a la cvs2) so it goes much faster. That means that it would take…oh…an hour to run with a few stations? It’s clear that if things were like you’re assuming, then having an A3 tourney wouldn’t get in the way of anything AND you’d satisfy those 20-30 ppl in the process AND the A3 players would run it so that you wouldn’t be sacrificing any staff. Yeah, that’s “too much trouble” for what it’s worth. 3 TVs for 20-30 ppl without any staff sacrifice? That so easily doable that, to not do it, clearly shows me that you know that A3 would easily get 64 ppl and most certainly wouldn’t be the smallest tourney of them all.
Basically, the reason Evo “can’t” have A3 is because SRK knows that it would take the room, resources and time of any of the other average-sized tournies. If A3 would ACT as dead as you like to make it sound, it wouldn’t even be a hiccup at Evo. Fact is, it WOULD be an event. I believe you know this to be true.
Anyway, if I were to make any bet, that would be it.
I’m thinking that since this thread had nothing to do with me, it’s ok that I post in regards to the topic. Also, seeing as how you take my discussing of A3 at Evo, in any sense, as breaking the agreement, then I guess I’m free to discuss A3 at will, now. Sweet.
You didn’t win any bets because you weren’t down to make one. If you think that you’re REALLY correct in your assessment of A3 then put your rep out there. I’m willing to be made to look stupid to prove that I’m right. I guess it’s different on your end where, if A3 was 64+, SRK itself would look pretty stupid when they clearly were just making assumptions since, well, no, past, Cali major of A3, has EVER not been successful. Yep, you base your estimation on mere assumption. If you were right, it’d be easier to make me concede but, you’re not. You’re just keeping myself and others from proving ourselves right.
My claim is simple. If you announced A3 at Evo, like NOW, then A3 would be successful just like it has been EVERY single time in the past.
Apoc.
So…when a really great game slows down, you drop it for a newer, lesser game, that more ppl are playing instead of encouraging folks to play the superior game? You don’t think that there will be a bunch of really poor fighters in the line-up in just a few years? Um…they make games, more and more, so that everyone can compete. So, we’re not going to be getting gems from Capcom, that’s for sure.
See, this philosophy requires game companies to release new fighters to keep the scene alive. It’s much better, and more respectable, to tout the best games. This has been a pattern for the longest time beginning with MvC2. Just because mvc2 was hella popular, here, you went and sucked it off a LOT. Did that make the game better or more solid? Nope, it just lowered the standard that SF players have had for fighters. Sure, the game is great with a very small percentage of usuable teams but, on the whole, it’s poorly executed. Still, you hear US players, now, claiming that mvc2 is the best game ever, lol. So, let’s continually use the same philosophy until the scene is so dumbed down it might as well be a mario party scene.
Some shit is just stupid. You have to call it like that. I don’t care if it’s the most popular game in the world. It’s probably that popular because there are more stupid ppl than anything, lol. Take A3 V-Akuma for example. The fact that you can do high damage attacks, without out-thinking your opponent, because he can perform “unblockables” is just stupid. Anyone who respects the strats of fighters is not going to argue that. Anytime matches are won without some form of out-thinking, then, it should be clear that something stupid is going on. A-Sak vs. a parry groove in Cvs2, anyone? Magneto patterns on MvC2 are like Tekken 10strings when you don’t know wtf the 10 strings are. If you have to guess(not anticipate) to block, it’s the tactic that’s winning and the tactic is stupid. Anytime, a tactic let’s someone win without out-thinking the opponent, is dumb. That’s just my opinion. SF is about getting into the opponents head. It isn’t about performing preconceived patterns waiting for the opponent to miss-guess a block. It may be fun but, it isn’t deep at all. Still, yall are going to further the decline of the standards by NOT supporting the good games INDEFINATELY.
Why is the scene diminishing? Because fighters are less mentally intriguing than they have been in the past. You need to hold newer games up to some standard if the scene is to be respected, even, by gamers.
You’re lame for letting SF go stupid if I’m lame for complaining that you’re doing so:p
Apoc.
If you devoted 1/10th the effort you spend posting here to organizing A3 players, A3 would be back in no time!
In order to have a tournament, you need tournament players. A3 players did not turn out for MWC. They did not turn out at Evo. Vampire Savior, KOF, VF, and Virtua On all out-drew A3 in the byoc room. A3 players have not turned out anywhere for years.
Until there is some kind of real A3 tournament community, there is no point in even discussing A3 at Evo. This simple fact will not change no matter how many 1000s of words you post here.
That was like, the first step, now it’s that plus a bunch of other stuff thats the same or worse… but yet we’re using A3 as the example of a strong SF not represented in EVO. To me it seems a lot of the weaker tactics were created around this time. I think A3 had the greatest ‘potential’ to represent but i’m not sold on why it does today in it’s current arcade version.
I agree that those things are silly from a game design standpoint. My question is whether either (CvS2 or A3) is that great a game that it should be supported indefinately? Are you saying both are?
It can be conceded that magneto is a guess at close range, but it’s not inevitable that he gets there. In SF if someone had that it would be silly (CvS1 nako?) but marvel doesn’t have the same playfield, which is why it’s not totally dominant. I liken it to a good tick in SF, one response is just to not get in that position in the first place, in marvel it’s very possible to do that, as opposed to ‘avoiding’ a VC or A-ism activating regardless of what you do.
What ever did happen with the A3 boards being brought to EVO2k4 by Sabre and B-izm? I didn’t hear anything about it. 
It’s a lot easier to complain than do something…that’s the lesson for the kids at home.
Lot’s of people talk the talk when it comes to A3, but talking up a good game isn’t enough. If A3 is such a popular game, how about someone sponsoring a national A3 tournament?
You know, at one point the Cannons were just two guys…that’s all it takes.
2 guys with some extra money, lol. Seriously, that’s the only difference between Tom and Tony and other tourney organizers. It’s not like Tom and Tony are masterminding anything. Hell, if the Empire actually had money, they would throw a better tourney than SRK is doing now.
Yo, I’m going to talk to every political analyst and tell them that they should run for president. That’s akin to what you keep saying here.
Yo, I’m an SF analyst and I’m calling it like I see it. Of course, since I’m pointing out the negatives and their effects, ppl want to call it complaining.
The point that you’re downplaying is that the SF players made these tourneys happen. It wasn’t some great brainchild of Tom or Tony. In fact, every idea they’ve used has come from somewhere else. These are just 2 guys who bought their influence in the SF scene and now, are whoring it out.
You act as if SF wouldn’t be around if not for the Cannons. A little more sober judgement is in order. It just so happens that they have the money to put down on events like this. Even WITH that, it would all be a stellar waste of funds if the community didn’t back them. Now, they have an attitude that believes they know better than the rest of the scene. Players gave them too much trust and now we’re seeing the error of our trust.
You’re crazy to think that, if given the same funding, SRK peeps, together, wouldn’t come up with a better tourney. EVERY idea that Evo subscribes to came from players and other scenes. For all of the money they put into Evo2k4, it was sub-par. I really doubt the tourney scene would leave any room for question regarding controls. That issue is fucking paramount. I guess the air up there is really thin when you start forgetting the basics.
What I say is commentary. Everyone else is free to offer their commentary even if it disagrees. Going around telling ppl that they’re complaining is masking the fact that you don’t have any points to make AND you’re unwilling to address the issues that have been brought up. Yo, “it’s easier to say we’re complaining than it is to actually offer up any intellectual debate on the matters.”
OF COURSE there’s complaining. Hell, we complain about every new capcom game but I don’t see ppl posting foolishly saying, “go and make your own fighter instead of complaining.” Fuck that. Capcom chooses to make a game and fucks up, we’re going to call them on it. Especially when they’re supposed to know what makes a good fighter. IT’S THE SAME SHIT HERE.
This is not directed at you specifically, Margalis. It goes out to anyone who tries to debate without actually debating. Now THAT is pointless.
Ya know, I find it shitty how, when no one posts on the issue it means that no one cares. Then when ppl post on the issue, they’re just complaining. Pretty stupid, if ya ask me. We may be complaining, but we’re making points while doing so. It’s not our fault that they fall on deaf ears.
Apoc.
Apoc:
I don’t know you that well && I don’t really have time to considering how much you write && how little of it is consistent with my perspective on everything but…
You’re some sour combination of insane, naive, && jealous… jealous of the Cannons’ money, influence, success, popularity, friendliness, intelligence, etc…
Your bitching && moaning, calling it like you see it, blah blah is tiresome, ineffective, immature, && foolhardy. It’s deeply rooted in the way you think… the way you feel so passionately that the world && the scene && the Cannons owe you something && the ire you spew for all the Earth-shattering injustices you perceive are keeping you down.
You claim you want to argue intelligently… that’s what forums are about… that’s what changes opinion… brings about meaningful change in the real world. Then whenever anyone engages you, you write books of garbage full of spite && chaff so that they must lose the so-called “argument” because it’s not worth it to try to worry a needle of a point out of your tirades. Maybe that strategy is just relegation to fanaticism && ostracism. I suggest you learn brevity. I have verbose tendencies myself (waxing poetic with my delusions of grandeur) but clarity can be achieved. Get to the point. Think carefully about your goals (in life, SF, SRK, a thread, each post).
Now I’ll address any points I was able to catch.
- “Nobody plays A3 because Evo won’t represent it. That’s a fact. [Lame Australian anecdote snipped] SRK wants to ignore their responsibility in the death of the A3 scene, blameshifting, and putting it on the players as if SRK is THAT dumb and doesn’t notice its’ influence.”
False. Evo won’t host A3 tournaments until tournament players play A3 in numbers comparable to other competitive fighting games. That’s a fact. You’re on the sad && mistaken end of some chicken-n-egg dichotomy you’ve made up. SRK staff (or the Cannons in particular if that’s what you meant) doesn’t deny having influence. Likewise, the Cannons have been forthcoming about the criteria for title inclusion in Evo. You, personally, have been given a challenge/bet/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to demonstrate that A3 can meet the criteria && deserves to be considered for inclusion in Evo. You failed && point the blame elsewhere yet you’re the most prolific proponent of A3 viability.
Understand this: The Cannons make decisions as fairly && intelligently as they can. They’re not out to screw communities of competitive players… Does it need stating that they wouldn’t be in the position they are if their goal was to screw such communities? They expose their decision-making process to concerned game fans out of their own care && consideration. If there is worthwhile interest in a particular title, it will be considered for inclusion in Evo. It can be quite simple once your mind is capable of accepting the truth. * I’m feeling more && more like I’m wasting my time because you’ll never be able to accept any truth other than what you wish the truth were. This is probably your comfort-zone. I imagine in your mind, you’re the down-trodden underdog speaking out valiantly on the very forums owned && operated freely && voluntarily by your sworn enemies.
- “3s would’ve died just like A3 EVEN with a console port had Evo kept dissing it.”
That is a lot of hypothetical stuff to claim. Here’s the truth: Evo doesn’t “diss”. Evo is the most popular international fighting game tournament in the United States. 3S enjoys a compelling following in the U.S. && Nippon. It has earned the right to be included && has been the host of likely the most exciting finals our players && fans have yet seen. Once again, A3 does not have a compelling following in the U.S. or Nippon.
1b) “3s DID NOT have a resurgeance.”
This is beside the point. 3S has a following today. Whether a similar following existed (&& waned) in the past has no bearing on its (or A3’s) inclusion in Evo.
- “A3 would NEVER have died had their been a console port.”
I think there are 3 console ports… but none of them have a following.
- “When A3 is back in the mix and EVERYone can play on their controls 100%, THEN SF will get healthy again. Ignoring these things only serves to make Evo a meaningless geekfest.”
Everyone can already play on their controls 100%. SF is healthier than ever. Ignoring non-existent communities makes Evo the greatest annual fighting game attraction… ie. the most meaningful fighting-game-geekfest.
- “If anyone else had the resources that SRK does, at this point, another tourney, done for the players, would crush Evo. But it’s like business, even if the ideas are poor, those with the ability to market and make things happen, even shitty things, will be more successful. It’s only a matter of time before the real community pops up with something really for the players and then Evo is going to be laughed at dissed since they seemed to have forgotten what makes a tourney respectable, like 100% working controls.”
More hypothetical claims… right, right… Evo is not done for the players… of course. Evo would be crushed by an upstart that is done for the players… yadda yadda. Oh… like business… poor ideas… ability to market && make things happen… yes… fair enough. Both good && bad ideas come to naught without the ability to market && MAKE THINGS HAPPEN! Your ideas of A3 superiority, notoriety, worthiness, popularity, etc. are a dime-a-dozen. What have you MADE HAPPEN?
– I’m skipping responding to a hundred posts && a million words here to keep myself sane –
- “2 guys with some extra money, lol. Seriously, that’s the only difference between Tom and Tony and other tourney organizers. It’s not like Tom and Tony are masterminding anything. Hell, if the Empire actually had money, they would throw a better tourney than SRK is doing now.”
It’s plainly apparent that “extra money” is NOT “the only difference”. Tom && Tony do mastermind every important detail of every Evo (with the help of staff comprised of other site admins && friends who care just as much as they do). Empire supposedly gives out money to hella players && buys flights && stuff… maybe they should allocate money to throwing a good tourney before they can consider having the organizational skills to be on equal footing with (much less be better than) SRK.
- “The point that you’re downplaying is that the SF players made these tourneys happen.”
Nobody (except you && a few other chesters) denies it takes players to make a tourney… which is why we require a competitive scene before we’ll work out the logistics of whether a game can feasibly be included in our Evo lineup.
- “It wasn’t some great brainchild of Tom or Tony. In fact, every idea they’ve used has come from somewhere else. These are just 2 guys who bought their influence in the SF scene and now, are whoring it out.”
It’s no brainchild to host a tournament… sure ideas may have come from elsewhere (is that in dispute either?)… umm the Cannons did not just buy their influence. It was earned obviously by running tournaments. I don’t deny it takes money to do it. They are so generous to spend their money year after year to do it. I know it’s not financially profitable for them to do what they do but don’t delude yourself in thinking they have some sinister motive to buy influence && whore it out or whatever your crazy mind thinks.
The Cannons && SRK staff run fighting game sites, admin forums, discuss && plan year-round, && run Evo because we want to. It costs us all money && time && we still do it.
- “You act as if SF wouldn’t be around if not for the Cannons.”
SF would not be the same as it is today without the Cannons. Of course it would still be “around” but, as you said, the ability to market && make things happen will do wonders for a community. What used to be just Capcom fighting game fans has encompassed all the major worthwhile competitive fighting game franchises. This Evo got coverage on G4 && GSN… && some commercial sponsors have started to take notice. We had the U.S. exclusive Tekken5 playable! I’m sure you could give a rat’s ass about non-Capcom but the fact is POPULARITY MATTERS! You’ve said we should try to drum up interest in A3 because it’s such a good game since pandering to all the newer (&& by your estimation markedly inferior) games just leads to the dumbing of the community && a dull fighting experience. As a game developer, I agree that the best game is not always popular but very few people in our culture are satisfied to do the same old things for the rest of their lives or are critical enough to adhere to && evangelize for something based on less than revolutionary advantages. Whatever ways you think A3 is better than every other game is not light years ahead of any other popular title. You can belittle Tekken or Marvel mixups but people enjoy those games && don’t agree with your assessment. Our society runs on pushing the newest, latest, && greatest… marketing && selling. Interest is generated by new-ness. That’s where money is && if you’re idealistic && try to shun monetary incentives… popular games are still where good competition can be had! If you have 15 people in the whole world that will show up to an A3 tournament even if it’s the best game ever made (&& the best that ever will be… in Vegas… with underlings… doing backflips 
)… you don’t have enough competitors to make it all that interesting for players or spectators. Interest && popularity matter. Arguing the technical merits of some game is fine && good but that does not make the leap to meaning we should waste effort promoting a title nobody plays.
We run Evo because we love these games && we love our communities && we love competing internationally && we even love doing all the necessary legwork to put it all together. You’re an ingrate && typically a buffoon intellectually but I’ve thrown you a bone here. Grow up && realize that the Cannons && Evo staff are not a logical enemy of your stated goals. It has been && will be possible to include A3 in Evo. It has not been worth it to do so yet. It is not our responsibility to market your pet game which none of us play or care about… frankly almost all of SRK staff prefer A2 to A3 but I digress. The point is hardly anybody plays A2 or A3 anymore so they don’t get included. If a fighting game has a substantial following, we have in the past && do now && will in the future consider it for inclusion in Evo. Get it? I didn’t think so.
I’m bored of repeating myself… heh earlier I wrote ‘be brief’ yet I’m beating a dead horse here. I should probably work or do something… anything would be more productive than trying to reason with you. You sucked me in. The Cannons && the rest of SRK staff don’t need my defense but we all fscking care more than you can fathom. We struggle over decisions && plan all year long. We do it because we love it && it shows to almost everyone except a few whining bitches. Are you jealous that you don’t have Cannon money && power? I guess carry on crying about it on the forums they pay for… asshole. I’m looking forward to our next Evo. Hopefully we’ll have fewer hiccups, more competitors && spectators, more excitement… more fun! Evo is great! Apoc is lame.
-Pip
ps. “… We’re making points… It’s not our fault that they fall on deaf ears.”
A problem with the way I’ve noticed most people talk about SFA3 and SF3 is the assumption that both games had a strong following before Evo axed them. In 2000 onward, I wasn’t aware there was anyone playing 3S seriously in the US, yet there were tons of A3 tourneys. At B5, there was a small exhibition of 3S because I thought it faded out before it got started, yet A3 was part of the main event. (As a side note, I was DQed from A3 for being late… and I showed at 9 AM! I wish that would’ve happened at Evo 2004 to the whole 10 AM bracket of ST.)
!B6 (Evo 2002) only had three games. It really didn’t make sense that they would have dropped the total game count after gathering a bigger space and making the tournament name change. I suppose it could’ve been due to the fact that there were the A3 and 3S rematches (Apoc represented 'Rog to the fullest! The Double KO in round 3 is my fondest memory of all the “B series” tourneys.). Still, exhibitions like that hardly count. Someone had brought up in a previous thread about arranging Evo like Magic does with the Pro Tour and the counter argument was something like, “If all of Evo were finals, who would come out just to watch them play?”
When the 3S exhibition showed up, it was new to the majority of the people watching. Much like momentum is important to a fight, it’s also crucial to the growth of a community. It was the fans of 3S’ time to finally make a game long deserving of attention thrive. A3, on the other hand, had already been thriving. The removal of A3 at Evo that year and the following year hurt its community badly. Both games were undergoing the complete opposite changes that year; A3 fans were unknowningly forced to fight for what it thought was an already established spot while 3S was given a chance to gain “mainstream” popularity for the first time.
Given the same situation, I feel ST would’ve died at !B6 and !B7. The influence that Evo holds over games played in tourneys elsewhere should be clear by now. I originally thought Evo and its organizers were a part of the fighting game community, not an observor of it. As much as the tourney has changed to represent fighting games from all different companies, it is still inkblot and ponder that’s repping the Capcom side.
To inkblot and/or ponder: Ignoring Evo and the lack of popularity of A3, do you prefer it to any other Capcom games currently on Evo’s roster? Do you prefer it over any of the other games on the roster? How do you honestly feel about the game itself? If you two took the initiative and confirmed A3 for Evo within the next month, would you expect a resurgence?
On a completely important and extremely related note, Megaman 7, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Kirby’s Dream Course for Evolution 2005!
There is nothing stopping you from mobilizing the community and running your own tournament just as big as Evo. You could call it “Apoc’s People’s Tournament.” You could even have an APT tour! If your ideas and execution are better you would have no problem with money. Here are a couple of ideas (I know you’ve already thought of these).
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Ask for Donations: We did this for B4, B5, and Evolution 2002, and received a lot more in donations than we though we would. If people believe in your tournament, they’ll donate.
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Sell Things For Profit: We stick to T-Shirts, but you could branch out (I’m sure you have lots of ideas here). There are many sites online which will handle everything for you and mail you the profits. How about an APT branded hoodie?
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Cover Charge: For 3 years, we’ve had a $20 cover charge to avoid pumping our own money into the tournament. $20 works well for us, but if you’re using a smaller room (probably for your 1st tournament), you may be able to get by with $10 or no cover charge at all.
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Sell a DVD Afterwards: This is another great way to raise money for next year’s tournament or to help make up for whatever losses you had running the current years. We need the DVD to cover the costs of running the website, but for you the DVD sales could be nearly pure profit.
I would love it if someone put on a quality tournament on the scale of EVO. Then I could go to one of these things and have fun instead of running the show. The bottom line is the hardest part of running these events is having the dedication to see through the planning and logistics. The staff of MWC, ECC, and Shoryuken.com run great events every year with extremely tiny or $0 out of pocket expenses. Why don’t you?
Simply because you’re not willing to put forth the effort.
Which makes your complaints and libelous accusations all the more insulting and petty. In this regard, your more of an annoyance than an instrument of change. Either be more constructive or go away.
I think A3’s a better game than CvS2, and on par with 3S. A3’s probably more accessible to entry level players than 3S, but I prefer watching high-level 3S matches to high level A3.
The biggest problem with A3 is V-ism. At its highest level, classic SF footsies, mind games, etc don’t matter. What matters is activating in a position where your opponent can’t counter-activate (preferablly through their attack) and hitting them for big damage. Once you land it, the other guy has like 80% meter to your 0%, so now the game sea-saws back to where you’re trying to get to 50% (so you can counter his VC) before he can manage to land his on you. There are some exceptions to this rule (e.g. A-Dhalsim), but it’s mostly true. Apoc will probably post saying that I’m completely wrong. Whatever, I don’t care.
From a tournament organizers perspective (ignoring the merits of any particular game), I would much rather have A3 in the lineup instead of CvS2 or MvC2, simply because A3 games are fast and predictable, which makes A3 tournaments easier to schedule. CvS2 and MvC2 both take forever to finish.
If we were to add A3 to Evo2k5, I think it would draw the fewest number of people of all the 2d games. I think you may see a few 8-16 man A3 tournaments popping up around the scene a few weeks before the tournament, but that’s it. More people might enter it at tournaments that continue to feature A3 (e.g. MWC). I think this is true for any Capcom game that carries some nostalgic value (e.g. HF, XSF). The only thing that can convince me that this is not true would be a resurgance in the A3 scene in the form of player organized tournaments.
The Cannon’s even helped (or, basically DID) run B2, which was across the country at MIT. What separates them is effort and dedication.
Apoc, I don’t see anything constructive coming from what you are saying. The Cannon’s have said A3 won’t be at Evo unless they see player tournaments elsewhere. So, that is your challenge. Take it, leave it, or come up with a third option. Identify where the people who like A3 are concentrated and have a tourney.
Some of your points (like that CVS2 isn’t a great game) are valid, some of them aren’t, but you have to take the pragmatic approach. What can you do? You keep leaning on the Cannons or some other mystery party to do something…
This is very helpful and constructive, thank you for that. However, what would you suggest for the people who plan to/want to add A3 into their roster?
So far, what I’m hearing is that it’s a choice between Saturn A3 and SuperGun. Without Superguns, you’re left with the Saturn as the only valid alternative.
The most ideal alternatives cause legal issues due to copyright infringement. This is because the most ideal alternatives envolve arcade emulation.
However, it’s very diffacult to appropriate a large number of Saturns (which would be required), let along an equally large number of Saturn-A3 discs. Mainly due to their age and relative scarcity.
Even if an organizer did wish to go this route, how would they get the number of Saturns + A3’s necessary? Couldn’t very well expect the general number of attendants to ‘bring their own’, since most people no longer own their own Saturn or copy of A3. And I don’t see an organizer being able to purchase a large quantity of these systems and games on their own, due to the cost.
Then there’s the problem of people wanting to use sticks, and not pads. That’s quite an issue in on itself. I doubt anyone even sells custom sticks for the Saturn anymore, not that anyone would want to buy them; this means converters.
I’m not trying to be negative here. I’m just trying to find out ways to make this work. I think the main issue most people are having is not knowing what to do or how to do it.
I’m replying for fun. Believe what you want. I find your analysis humorous, at best. That makes it hard to take seriously. I just don’t get that personal regarding SF no matter how passionate my words sound. It has and always will be a hobby and right now, there’s no heat on it so, it’s about as hot as any cosplay or video-game convention and, if you knew me, you’d know that I don’t think much of video-games, in general. Take the “special” out of SF and it isn’t even worth my respect. It further confuses me that you think your opinion of me is worth spouting. I haven’t gotten personal on SRK and I don’t care what ppl think of me. Check history. I used to do nothing but help peeps in forums like this and now I complain. Oh GEE! My rep! My rep! (SOB) lol. Posts like yours show me how personally my words can affect ppl. I expect shit like that from some women, not fellas. Some folks are a lil over-sensitive for men, lol.
Still, I love to express myself, so I do.
So, I’ll deal with the issues and your attempt at making points.
I’ll make a comment on my supposed failure at organizing an A3 event. Um…I didn’t make any attempt. I guess that’s failing, lol. No, I only failed at keeping my mouth shut about A3. If I failed at that challenge then SRK has failed in the challenge to test A3 at Evo. No one has made any attempt at accepting eachothers’ challenge so…read more carefully. You certainly miss a lot. No wonder my posts are too much for you.
I perceive that I’m being kept down? Wtf? lol I have no idea where you’re coming from. I don’t see how anything regarding SF would keep me down in any area of life so, wth are you talking about? Shit like that is ridiculous. Ppl think I’m passionate? I guess the difference between passionate and psychotic is found within these words? It’s mindblowing to me to think that SRK affects my life at all. It merely affects my enjoyment of one particular hobby. Oh darn.
Whoops. I thought you were going to make a point in that paragraph. My bad. Moving along…
So, you’re upset because you read so slowly that replying to me would take your whole day? Also, who determines who wins and loses an argument? Yo, when I bring up an issue and it’s disregarded, my points been made. Usually ppl don’t argue when they can’t. I’m all for debating. FMJ and I don’t have any problem debating. Sure, it may be long to some but, should I apologize if my posts are too much for you? lol. Take a speed reading course or something. Don’t read my posts then. It sure sounds like you’re saying that you’d like to argue but, it would take too much time to address the points. Thanks for proving that I do bring up multiple points to contend with. If you didn’t want to argue at all, I missed the nerve. I obviously hit yours a dozen times, lol.
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So, you’re upset because you read so slowly that replying to me would take your whole day? Also, who determines who wins and loses an argument? Yo, when I bring up an issue and it’s disregarded, my points been made. Usually ppl don’t argue when they can’t. I’m all for debating. FMJ and I don’t have any problem debating. Sure, it may be long to some but, should I apologize if my posts are too much for you? lol. Take a speed reading course or something. Don’t read my posts then. It sure sounds like you’re saying that you’d like to argue but, it would take too much time to address the points. Thanks for proving that I do bring up multiple points to contend with. If you didn’t want to argue at all, I missed the nerve. I obviously hit yours a dozen times, lol.
So, your point here is that my posts are too long to argue with. You had to write that instead of bringing up issues. So far, your post is nothing but an emotional rant displaying your opinion of me. …K.
Let’s get to a real point:
I would quote you fully here but, you’re way off the mark in your initial statement. If what you’re saying were true, then please, do me the courtesy of explaining the inclusion of VF4 at Evo. VF has NEVER been a popular game here. I recall it being said that they through it in there to see if it would generate interest and if the showing wasn’t stellar in 2k4, they would drop it from the line-up. YES! They added VF4 just to give it a shot and NOT because tournament numbers were EVER anything NEAR A3 or the other games represented.
Put simply. You’re ignorant. You may not like me but, don’t let it affect you to where you spout stupid shit as fact and then tell ME to think about what I post and then proceeding to give me life advice. LOL. Don’t you see what a joke you’re making yourself out to be? You make declarations that are clearly false and label them as fact. You also take my words so personally that I feel the need to counsel you on it. But, I won’t. It’s enough for you to embarass yourself. Keep taking what I say to heart.
Who said it was their intention or goal? I’m just pointing out what direction they’re heading in. If they don’t want to listen, that’s fine by me. I’m not so sure that they ever got SF in the first place. It isn’t going to hurt me so much knowing that I put the warning out there. I DID say something. That’s enough for me. In fact, I’ve pointed to EVIDENCE regarding the repercussions of their poor decisions. It’s not like I grabbed it out of thin air. You can look at things like whole entire communities dropping SF to realize that things aren’t going in the right direction. It’s merely a matter of whether or not you choose to accept the evidence. I never ONCE claimed that SRK tried to begin messing shit up. They just happened to step in it and I’m letting them know that they stink a lil now and need rethink shit. But know this, there is a certain satisfaction in seeing the repercussions of their poor decisions when I do say something about it. I think that it’s entirely possible that they will make a poor decision solely to spite me. Yep. I think that’s mighty funny. If the SF scene continues to dwindle and continues to have a silly attitude, it isn’t going to hurt me at all. I’ll be laughing, knowing that I pointed out the signs and because of their distaste for me, they failed to analyze things properly. Understand, it’s clear to me that SF will be turned into a pansy ass geeky cosplay scene full of folks that can’t socialize with anyone other than videogame fanatics and anime heads. Either that or it will die completely. In both cases, SF, as a hobby, will have lost all serious respect, imo. Believe me, I won’t be sobbing. I’ll be laughing and pointing my finger saying “I told you so.” It’s no skin off of my back to not compete anymore. I have other hobbies already that I find more important and worthwhile than the current SF scene.
I’ll be laughing because, it’ll take some really poor decisions to make the once strong SF scene into what it’s becoming. Don’t think for a second that I believe that they care though. Knowing that they don’t care, there shouldn’t be any problem with my rants.
How are Tom and Tony my enemies? That makes no sense to me. I’m just against some of their decisions and the process by which they make them. That’s all.
Anyway, by this criteria, MK would’ve been added if Evo existed back in the early 90’s. I make no apologies for having higher standards beyond popularity. Popularity does not equal quality so, we’ll never agree here. Quality is more important and worthy of respect than popularity. That’s a personal preference.
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