They can have super street fighter 2 for the tourney but why not SFA3? anyone knows why!!! someone tell me why!!!
The reason is this: nobody plays A3.
Lot’s of people complain, lot’s of people whine, but nobody plays it.
One of the Cannon’s made a good point in another thread: There was a time when both 3S and A3 were on their way out. But the 3S people got together and made 3S popular by force of will.
All that comes out of the A3 camp is excuses. None of the console versions are good enough to play, and they don’t have any boards, or any organizational skills…
The A3 crowd appears to be very unmotivated, and the game appears to be dead. There aren’t many local tournies for it, so why should there be a national one.
The resurgence of 3S illustrates that players do have the power. But the A3 players choose not to use that power. That’s their fault and nobody elses.
AFAIK; SFA3 hasn’t been at Evo since 2k2.
On top of that, Evo went console, which all but seals the fate of SFA3 not being at Evo.
Nobody plays A3 because Evo won’t represent it. That’s a fact. Hell, I just got a pm from an Australian player saying that A3 died there because Evo dropped it as well. Australian organizers follow what they see here too. SRK wants to ignore their responsibility in the death of the A3 scene, blameshifting, and putting it on the players as if SRK is THAT dumb and doesn’t notice its’ influence.
Let’s just make this clear. 3s DID NOT have a resurgeance. It was received very poorly by Americans(rightfully so, imo). At the time of EVo2k2, ONLY A3 had enjoyed a strong tourney following. 3s was dissed and dropped within the first 6mos.
So, 3s was an unexplored and “New” game for Americans. A3 had a long run of being on top EVEN when 3s was new. The only reason 3s got popular was because we needed another game. We also got our asses kicked by Japan at the b5 and Evo2k2 exhibitions. Ppl were unsatisfied with cvs2 so, that was the closest thing to new and the game hadn’t had a tourney following yet.
This life that 3s has is its’ first life. Players thought the game was wack when it first appeared. There was a shift in the scene as players left the scene and newer players came in.
That’s it, that’s all it was. Oh! and the fact that Evo supports it again. 3s would’ve died just like A3 EVEN with a console port had Evo kept dissing it.
Really, this fake “3s resugeance” is nothing more than an excuse for not having A3. It’s clear that A3 has more things stacked against it. Funny how it outshined 3s even when 3s was new when it didn’t even have a reliable homeport EVER.
Fact is, A3 and 3s are totally different games that appeal to ppl for different reasons. A3 would NEVER have died had their been a console port. Without arcades, no one could practice and without representation at Evo, what was the point? I love the game and even I dropped it. Anyway, decisions like this, regarding Evo, is EXACTLY what separates the scene and makes it smaller while they’re adding games to compensate. They don’t even notice that they’ve been counter-productive. It boggles my mind that this fact is missed by SRK staff but the average SFer that’s been around for years can understand it EVEN if they don’t particularly like A3.
Now they’re dividing the scene even further by separating console from arcade standards instead of finding a way to make them work together.
SRK took the ball and ran with it…and then fumbled all over the place.
When A3 is back in the mix and EVERYone can play on their controls 100%, THEN SF will get healthy again. Ignoring these things only serves to make Evo a meaningless geekfest.
At this point, I wouldn’t care if there was never another Evo. It isn’t for the players and it’s solely for certain egos. No one else is losing much seeing as how we can adopt another tourney to travel to each year to meet up and save the summer for other things.
If anyone else had the resources that SRK does, at this point, another tourney, done for the players, would crush Evo. But it’s like business, even if the ideas are poor, those with the ability to market and make things happen, even shitty things, will be more successful. It’s only a matter of time before the real community pops up with something really for the players and then Evo is going to be laughed at dissed since they seemed to have forgotten what makes a tourney respectable, like 100% working controls.
I’ll say it again. A3/ST/3s/CvS2/MvC2 players should know that there will always be a place for them regardless of whether or not Capcom is releasing good fighters. Those games are PROVEN worthy. Instead Evo is going to support the newest games whether they are respectable or not. Let’s face it, Capcom is throwing their ideas together because they ran out of good NEW ones. So, it’s a strong possibility that we’ve seen the last quality games from Capcom.
Sadly, A3 is one of the FIGHTING games and not the boring runaway games. Having A3 would just get the crowd into a fight mode whereas some games, lately, leave you wanting to take a nap until the last round. Even 3s isn’t as in your face as A3 is. And you don’t have NEARLY as much guessing like we’re seeing nowadays. It actually depends more on how good you are and not whether you guess right or not. Bummer. Who wants a solid game like that at Evo?
Nothing can offer what A3 can offer. Therefore, it has to be there. There is no other game picking up the slack in the quality department. We get to see a ton of guessing in MvC2(be honest. Wong lost to Soo because he guessed wrong hella times in a row. He failed to GUESS properly) and 3s and a bunch of runaway in CvS2. It’d be nice to see what a fight without guessing and without runaway being the dominant tactic. Afterall, these are FIGHTING games. A3 fits that bill more than anything right now. It’s a shame it isn’t represented. Evo doesn’t respect the games because of their merits so, Evo is going to lose respect for this issue, more and more, as time goes by and other games get dropped for newer and lesser games.
It’d be damned smart NOT to drop anymore capcom games.
Apoc.
As much as this sounds like a fantasy, I have a feeling capcom is going to release a real port of a3 (like with 3s) in some sort of collection disc (maybe all the alphas?). My reasoning? The GBA version of upper was said to be made under the direction of a capcom employee who’s favorite game was a3, so he plopped the original engine (with crouch cancels, old otg timing and all) into the little cart.
Hopefully enough people will lobby for it in japan, as a3 is still a favorite among a lot of players there and when that happens, maybe we’ll see a3 back in evo.
I don’t think EVO is the sole reason for A3 not being played as a tourney game anymore. I think there are more factors to take into account, such as the interest in 3S the Japanese players caused in EVO, Daigo retiring from the A3 scene(and taking alot of the top players with him), SBO not putting A3 on their list of games, the amount of knowledge needed to play intimidates a lot of beginners, and the fact there is no recent japan daigo/chikyuu/etc… footage to inspire players.
In my opinion I just think EVO is just trying to follow japan more and more in what games should be played and what games shouldn’t.
And Australia never had an A3 scene, it just never got going because of all of the reasons I listed above. Before A3 there were quite a few A2 tourneys out there, but when A3 came out, it had much the same reaction to it as 3S did, most players were confused by the complicated new juggle system and the amount of options available to them. I think it’s only after all these years of casual play, and being able to get access to old tourney footage and FAQ’s that has allowed many players to stop being afraid of V-ism. At my arcade it was 5 years after A3 was released before anyone decided to try to learn how to use V-ism properly.
i belive strongly hommie apoc is right, he sometimes may seem very negative towards things but im sure its from passion for the SF scene.
theres always been an undertow of negativity from the “powers that be” for as long as iv been here. its not too difficult to obstruct the resurgence of a game in certain places when u have the right tools. granted this is not the entire reason for the downfall of the a3 scene.
i belive one of the key problems is that the game never got the ball rolling outside of hots spot(at that point in time) for the game; cali, new england ect. without a strong initiative and organized push that 3s and ggxx both were given, later, as one may note since 3s even though released around the same time as a3, didnt get backing till way later.
by this time a3 had almost a non existing base because on lack of machines that, contrary to what people may say were not that plentiful to begin with and with no steady home port( the port makes a very big fuckin difference playing that game, i personally know this since for years iv played psx port and how it hadicaps arcade play is retarded.)even the ports amogst themselves! seem like night and day, look at the saturn port next to the dc port, or even the psx to a lesser extent. alot of very specific things were taken out or changed, for a3 thats a really big deal.
unless
1 there is an updated port
2 some form of backing by a powerful alley
a3 will never return to a tourney lvl game even on a semi national lvl.
when was the last time u had a tourney for it with more then 30 people? and where? id love to move there =/
i think that srk setting standards after whats played in japan a bit too much, vf4 evo anyone >=/
I agree with Apoc also I used to play A3 alot but when it died from SRK forums and Evo I just didn’t look at it anymore.
3S is a great game. Now america is learning and we have a strong rival with Japan which is going to keep it alive for a while.So you honestly need to give up A3 and look for a new fighter. I hate to throw the name up but even BAHN got tierd of it. I think loosing a match to a noob with his own CHUN-LI at Shadowman had something to do with it but still he quit and moved on to a new system of fighting games such as CVS2 3S and a little of MVC2.
There needs to be standardization of A3 on some console for it to have a chance. i.e. People agree to use the PSX version, OR figure out a way to play the arcade version on dreamcast. Modded Xbox is not the answer.
Blah blah blah…
These are the facts:
Neither 3S nor A3 was an Evo tourney game at one point.
Now 3S is.
A3 still isn’t.
Think about why. A lot of people complained about 3S, and a lot of people complained about A3. Nothing changed. Then, people started playing 3S, organizing their own tournies, etc. Remember originally the Cannon’s were very opposed to having 3S at Evo.
The A3 people never got past the whining stage, which you guys have just confirmed. Stop crying already. It’s pathetic.
Why wasn’t there an informal A3 tourney at Evo? Because you guys would rather cry than do anything. Oh well…there’s no crying in SF.
The people dropping the ball here are Apoc and company. You’ve done NOTHING to make A3 more popular. Nothing constructive has ever come out of any of your complaining.
ST wasn’t very popular for a while, then there was a Vega gathering and things snowballed from there. Just stop talking and do something, or else give up. Seriously. Have your own A3 tournament. You don’t have time? But you have time to post 100 page long essays on the subject…
yeah yeah organize our on tourneys…oh wait on what? no arcade cabs for miles theres no fuckin alternative to arcade, only now x box give a semi solid run of the arcade. back then it wasnt around. a3 wasnt run at evo because there was an issue of some people wanting it be free entry others wanted cash prizes, one of them being daigo…its not that people didn t try or have a board setup…
the things u refer to as whining is just statement of facts, people need to stop tryn to shift shit to the player scene making it seem like its only because of their supposed lack of effort things dont happen, thats plain bullshit.
Didn’t Sabre and B-izm bring those A3 Superguns to EVO2k4?
Wait, if there aren’t that any more arcades that have it, why are you guys still whining about it? Why blame SRK for this?
It’s not about you guys “not having resources”, or SRK “neglecting” the A3 scene. You guys have been spoonfed and Jason Wilson even organized an A3 tourney for you guys (since none of you seem interested at organizing it yourselves) at MWC and you didn’t show. So much for “not having resouces” and SRK “neglecting” the A3 scene, eh?
Something “outside” of EVO (like that 3S tourney at FF) could’ve been organized. But did that happen? No.
I mean no offense to anyone, especially A3 players. I’m more or less a scrub so what I say will probably have no bearing. I like A3 too, but the way it’s going right now, nothing is going to happen. You guys only have one way out. If you guys want something to happen, don’t expect it to fall on your laps. Spend more of your time organizing your own tourneys to revitalize the A3 scene (if Sabre/B-Izm bringing A3 superguns at EVO was true, then something could’ve happened out of that), instead of spending too much time whining about it with endless paragraphs on the internet.
The truth right there. Plain & simple. The fact of the matter is, the A3 scene had a choice between playing 95-98%accurate ports or nothing. They chose nothing and yet their is still discontent. If you want A3 so badly, choose a console version to be the official standard. I realize it’s not the same as the arcade, but, at this point what do you have to lose?
Best case scenario: Scene is reborn
Worst case scenario: nothing changes
Agreed.
Give me a port for A3 that doesn’t make me want to vomit, and I will give you local tournies.
We’re not blaming the cannons/SRK. We’re blaming capcom for making shitty ports.
Read what Apoc is saying, because he’s right.
Hello.
I wanted to add my comment on this. We here in Germany still play this game in our tournaments. We had a tournament during march with Alpha 3 on the line up. We had a tournament some week ago and we had Alpha included. Know what? We play on DC. We say that it’s better then nothing. Ok, since the most european countries didn’t had arcade at all, we don’t miss the difference to the arcade version so much like you guys. But trust me, playing Alpha 3 on DC is better than letting it die.
I think Apoc is right with his post. Evo dropped A3 and this pretty much killed the A3 scene everywhere. And of course this had influences on Europe too. The few players say, if evo doesn’t have it, then let’s focus on a game that is supported by evo. Sure it’s not the only reason, but its the main reason…they are some kind of short minded. Thinking that only game on evo are tournament worthy games, but that’s not the fact.
And Alpha really is such a great game! I really hope that Capcom gives us a new console port of A3 that is arcade perfect. Just like they did with 3rd Strike on Ps2 and XboX. But even if they don’t do this port, then we still can play the DC or Psx version! I think that germany is one of the last european countries that plays Alpha 3 regulary on his tournies. I think that we aren’t so strongly influenced by other things like the evo for example. If we have A3 tournament and some nice people show up, then we will have another A3 tournament, and another…we just don’t say:“Hey, everybody is quitting A3, we have to follow!”
Thanks for reading this! =)
You already have 2 ports…it’s called the PSX & DC version. If those two don’t suffice for you, then let A3 die already.
We don’t control that, hense this entire discussion =P. However local tournies could probably get away with putting it on xbox. I’m sure you know what i mean.
Actually, someone is…
If you did, you’d know that your two points directly contradict each other.
I don’t know what the big deal is about A3 anyway… just let me play apoc, winner(aka me) will lose to choi, winner will lose to jpn V-akuma/sagat , we all go home satisfied, the end.
All I said was give me a console version that DIDN’T suck and I’ll give you local tournies. DC and PSX versions are crap.
I wasn’t asking anyone here to literally make a better version. I’m just stating that currently there aren’t any cabinets around, and the console versions all suck.
I know the people in this thread have no controll over what Capcom does or does not do.
If Capcom were to release a better console version, then there might be some room for progress.
That’s the kind of alternative I’m looking for, thank you.
However, some one already stated that using a modded Xbox with an emulator isn’t really a good answer. I don’t have any experiance with modded xbox’s myself, but I’ve heard the same opinions about it from several people.
I’d like to know why. I’m not really sure what the specific complaints are.
Is it a software issue or hardware issue?
Oh, excuse me.
I must have skipped over the part where some one said “It’s the Cannon’s/SRK’s fault”.
I don’t like putting words in other peoples mouths. What I took from his post was “A3 wouldn’t have died if it had a decent console port”, which I agree with.
You are NOT blaming Capcom. Apoc has not written 50 pages of text blaming Capcom. What does SRK have to even DO with Capcom? Do you guys think SNK is a subsidiary of Capcom?
If the problem is Capcom, stop complaining here, complain to Capcom instead.
The bottom line is, nothing constructive is happening. Blaming Capcom, blaming SRK, you don’t have enough time to throw a tourney, you don’t want to go to a console tourney, blah blah blah…so what’s your point?
You guys should have a goal of actually ACCOMPLISHING something, other than bitching endlessly.