Either ultra works for her, but U1 is better if her zoning is an issue for you. Be more ambiguous with your jump-ins so that she can’t figure out which direction to dash. Do tandens or dive kicks after blockstrings if you are worried about her backdashing during them.
Be careful using tanden to stop U2 as the orbs don’t disappear if she blocks it. I usually back off and start a fireball war when she has ultra. Her non EX fireballs are crap and the reflect can be punished or counter-hit with standing fierce.
Remember that you can reversal between her drill strings. Her cancels to drills from crouching strong are not true blockstrings. Try buffering EX legs between her normals. Push 2K if you see the spiral’s startup.
Good Roses usually space them to be safe on block and/or out of range for Seth’s SPD (shit range). I’m not as experienced in the Rose matchup, but from what I’ve played SPD isn’t in range.
cr.mp xx drill cannot be spaced to be safe because the safe spacing for the hk drill is farther than the max range for cr.mp. I experienced this playing as Rose against a Dudley player who would reversal hp Jet Upper my drills.
1.15 range is way better than Rose’s throw range and most people consider that pretty ridiculous.
Rose is my definite main. I’ve been able to use all spirals for chip damage, and left safe from reversal uppercut or flash kick even. You have to hit spiral from max distance, so the other player will be in block stun while Rose is in recovery.
I find this match-up to be mostly zoning oriented, so spirals being punishable on block or not, shouldn’t be your main concern.
Either ultra can be a good pick, but who knows what kind of nonsense will come about in that match up… Maybe Rose picks U2, and you’re at low enough health where that’ll chip you. But she has low enough health where U2 will chip her. Seth’s U2 could beat it out.
It might be better to use U2, to give Seth stronger close range options, and also not to worry about Rose possibly baiting out U1 by FADC fireballs.
That is still punishable by U1. Also that’s a risky guess by the opponent. If I don’t throw the ultra out they kinda wasted 2 bars. And Rose really wants super.
I think U2 is so terrible I only use it against characters where I have literally no reason to want U1 in terms of punishing things I couldn’t normally (IE use U2 against Rufus, Cammy). The chip option is nice but if you try to force it outside of a knockdown usually you’ll just get yourself killed.
Yes I was using cr.mp to rh drill. I think you were screwing up against that dudley by using the wrong drill spacing or forgetting to block. FP/EX Jet upper is 4 frames. If I can make it safe to flashkicks and Ken FP SRK then I have nothing to worry about from dudley or other reversals. I even made it safe to Hakan U1 which has the longest range 1.5.
LOL? Rose really wants Super? It’s nice to have, but Rose would rarely need Super to kill Seth. Seth players, or even players of any other character, an get spooked by 1 fireball where they’ll think “Oh I can jump this” or “That was dumb of them, I have an answer for that”. Timing can be critical, but an FADC fireball can provide the start to applying momentum for Rose’s pressure game, along with allowing an opening to do damage, so I rarely think of burning 2 bar as a waste. I FADC fireballs as Seth even for the same reason.
How exactly is FADC fireball a risky guess? It’s immensely safer than just throwing one out.
EX meter management is so crucial in this game. If you wakeup DP every time and FADC it as Ryu saying “It’s just 2 meters, it’s safe to do,” you’re never going to have the meter for Ryu’s combos into ultra (at best, at worst you’ll get punished for wakeup DP with a backdash to make it whiff).
If Seth doesn’t try to ultra you, you look really dumb. That’s what I meant by “a big risk.” Meter matters, a lot. And like I said, with good reactions you can still ultra them if they FADC. A good Seth player won’t get caught by the fireball FADC bait often just because he won’t feel like he has to ultra every fireball. The real advantage of being able to ultra fireballs is to get an advantage in fireball wars where you should really be losing - they have to second guess every fireball.
Compare Rose’s damage on cr.mp xx drill xx super to just cr.mp xx drill. Against Seth with any character you need to kill him in 2-3 combos to win because those are all the openings you will get in the round. You’re going to apply walk up pressure on a character that has a teleport, a DP, a fireball, an invincible command grab, a great backdash, and a 4 frame jab?
If you FADC a fireball and try to walk up I’ll just focus the fireball and backdash. Or block the fireball and then teleport. You don’t really get anything going.
LOL? I’ll look really dumb for playing mostly safe along with expanding my opportunity for closing the gap? You’d focus the fireball and backdash? You think I’ve never seen that bullshit card played before? I’ll dish out free damage, sure.
Meter is free to spend and use whenever you have it. Your argument is completely theoretical, and by that I mean bogus. Rose shouldn’t even have to throw fireballs in this match up because reflect is so much easier in SSF4 compared to Original. If Seth throws fireballs, Rose can build all the meter she could want.
She can even slide under any of Seth’s fireballs and the best he can do is s.HP to counter it, or maybe EX Lightning or Tandem if he has good reactions.
Personally, if I get 2 bars, I will feel more inclined to do fireball FADC in a combo and end with spiral rather than think “Well this is going to be one of the only chances I’m able to do any damage, I better save my meter for super for the next time and just do c.MP xx spiral this time.”
Rose can kill Seth without doing any combos. Combos are just an extra perk for her. Oh and by the way, since any good Rose player will pick U2 in this match, it further justifies the concept of FADC sparks as part of a combo because the damage is actually better than a super would do. “Oh but then you wouldn’t have any good escape option for any of Seth’s mix-ups,” right? :rolleyes:
I can tell you really don’t know how to play the match-up (and obviously don’t know how to play as Rose), and I’m sure if we were to play a FT5 or something, I’d win all the games. I won’t go through with issuing a challenge, because lag is a likely element. Even if it doesn’t lag, it can still be used as an excuse.
Lastly, what are you getting at by telling me Seth has a 4 frame jab? Rose’s c.MP is 4 frames also, and does 40 more damage. At the worst, I’ll take the trade! :lol:
Lol, go take this shit to the Rose forums. Also tough guy, If you’re not an online warrior go to the next evo and I’ll MM ur gdlk Rose $100, and I’ll use Seth.
Lol @ good roses pick ultra 2? Since when is waiting for ultra 2 considered good? Her ultra 2 is as wack noobish as abels brainless and elfs ultra 2 mash as im trying to connect links.
I was getting ready to masturbate and then I switch tabs quickly and I see some shit going down here. So here I am with my pants unbuckled :\
LOL @ metroxylon
If you’re going to call out someone like Kikui, who posts alot of info and has done alot for the Seth section, atleast don’t say bullshit like ’ lol u dunno anythin bout rose cuz u stupid’ But an arguement is an arguement, and that’s allright. Sadly you had to go another mile and say you’d win all the games of FT5 against him. What the fuck are you, 15?
The worst part of this shit is that you actually posted a video of your Seth and he critiqued it very nicely and detailed, and now you’re being a douche.