Rose’s U2 is complete bullshit. It recovers instantly as far as I can tell. Completely safe and leads to a 400 damage combo if the first orb hits. You can EX SPD her if she does it on wakeup, but she can still jump out of it.
Full-screen tanden is a very nice idea. Thanks for that.
Hmm… if you do Full screen tanden and she blocks it, she can just dash forward and punish you with Balls and a free combo.
if you do Fulscreen tanden and she jumps over it on reaction (i don’t know if you noticed, but Seth turning a different color is kinda easy to see), she lands free from the tanden and just needs to dash>Combo.
Of course, this is all situational and assuming the Rose reacts to the tanden. But… yeah.
No. tandem is dangerous. Safest move to do is ex boom. If blocked the booms still collide with orbs to cancel them out. But time the boom so she won’t jump or if she jumps she can land on it. If she DOES manage to jump it then s.hp stretch to catch her fall. Most of the time rose won’t jump twice or block after jumping a boom cuz shell try to run at u asap so s.hp surprises her. Ex spd is good when cornered by her (literally just touching seth maybe after a slide sweep) when she mashes it out to finish u off…there’s not much else u can do.(if u block she can grab.)
TESTED on a blocking rose on practice mode. Blocking a Tandem is an easy way for her to get in on seth. Also tested in endless.
If ur hellbent on tandem then a good bait from fullscreen is lp tandem… when she jumps it (thinking its a fullscreen t) u can recover and lp srk into stomps or recover and ex tandem to catch her from the air to punish her for messing up.
Actually it’s really easy. Most of Gouken’s combos (the ones worth using anyways) are really easy to execute.
not that good
…blocked tanden is only -4 even at full screen. She’s not punishing you with a dash.
Also, you’re assuming they know the matchup well enough. A lot of Seth players don’t ever use Tanden Engine at all and most players don’t know it can go almost full screen. Even if she does know then it’s something that she has to think about at least instead of going full-on RTSD mode.
Dude but most roses won’t throw ultra 2 from full screen so u will RARELY be able to full screen tandem. They usually corner u and then throw Ultra 2 so u cant just teleport around her and back off.
She can also jump the tandem as soon as seth changes color and land to punish ur mistake with that dash punch she has.
I vote we close this thread and just make a pinned topic titled "All seth match-up here"
and then when you click on it it just has in huge bold letters “In order to win against any char XXX, DON’T FUCK UP!”
because really that’s all it is with every match up lol…
(ps. this is a joke)
Anyone have some specific punishes or do’s/don’ts vs cody? Right now I’m a little afraid of this guy and am mostly playing the “zone the shit outta that guy the whole time” style that I’m not very fond of.
Criminal upper is usually a free reversal hp DP. All of his ruffian kicks (Ha-ha! kicks) are punishable except the low one if it hits really meaty.
His rocks are hella slow so fireball the crap out of him.
He’s extremely free on wakeup. Only good reversal besides U2 is slower than EX Messiah. Just do normal Seth bullshit mixups.
Usually?.. do you mean only is he misses his cr.mp to HP CU it is? what about the lp CU?
I think he’s talking about the criminal upper hitting at the last active frame, then it’s safe.
What I learned at SSF4 CG ranbats:
It’s really a spacing thing I think more than a meaty thing.
M.D. , you are completely wrong about Chun-li punishing far St.hp on block…
It can be punished on hit from midscreen :/, as well as Dudley’s Rolling thunder (slightly closer than Chun range) and Ryu Hp super (slightly closer than or at equal range to Dudley), heck even Abel can punish it with Ultra 2 at around Dudley range. Come to think about it, Rufus Ultra 2 can punish it as well on hit, but must be slightly closer than Chun/Dudley/Ryu/Abel.
Just dont even bother using St.hp unless its at its maximum range against them :l .
Yea all criminal uppers are punishable on block, however if cody is too far away so that the lp CU just grazes seth, hes gonna be out of range for HP srk.
Against Chun you just have to wait until she doesn’t have charge to use s.hp…
Can someone explain why the top seth players aka japanese combo with low punch into lk lighting legs?
Like this: c.lk c.lp c.lp c.lp lklegs
I assume its a safe online way of avoiding dp mashers? Does someone know another reason why they never add mp into mlightninglegs. Logically it would be more dmg and stun amiright?
Naw, if you link the jabs you’ll get reversal’ed.
Elaborate please
Assuming you start your blockstring with c.lk,
c.lk is +1 on block, and c.lp has a 4 frame start up, and is +3 on block, so if you link the next jab, the jab is a 4 frame start up, and Shoryu has 3 frame start up.