I probably won’t disagree, but he has a boat load of semi bad matchups and some pretty hard matchups too. He is a rather balanced top 5 if anything. simply because he has a high number score on a tier list won’t make him top 5 to win with.
Do you see how badly certain chars get raped? Sagat doesn’t have anything worse then 4/6 really. Calm the fuck down guys. Think about the bullshit T hawk players gotta put up with.
Again…calm down guys.
completely agreed. I think Sagat will be rather balanced in that sense.
I read somewhere the startup was faster… maybe the source was wrong but if it wasnt that sort of a buff counts… as for no matches above 6-4 i highly disagree fei is at least 6.5 in the current a.e and yeah other characters have it worse thats true but t hawk is the sorta character that sometimes the matchup doesnt matter cos he does so much fuckin damage did you not see the best thawk in japan raping everyone lols. When a character does so much damage sometimes the matchup doesnt matter as much as it does for other characters but im not sayin sagat will be weak i just dont think hes gonna be top 5. other characters got buffed and all he got was a buff that does nothing its useless ex dp does 200 damage already so whats the point of his buff i found it rather insulting tbh ffs why couldnt they fix the glitch for u1 or give us a slk all these other characters get usable buffs capcom just pisses me off chuns ultra glitch gets fixed when it is already a fukn good ultra really ticks me off
And Sagat is still better then most of those chars with buffs. He still controls 90% of the stage.
Motherfucker has a kara TU that goes half fuckin screen.
Think about that shit and then think about your complaints. Seriously.
And honestly I don’t feel Fei is worse then 6/4 just lookin at tools. I’m taking Sagats comeback factor into account and the fact that honestly what Fei has is just poking with rekkas and trying to get a read with a poke. Basically wearing down a living mountain. Shit isn’t super scary as it’s simply annoying imo.
“Irony.”
Really? With the amount of semi-bad mu we currently got? Top10 , alright cool, i can see him there… Now please, incase you missed the changelist , alot of underrated characters got buffs that could potentially turn them from a good to a bad/semi-bad matchups, (Ayo niggas, remember Super makoto? Before she went super saiyan in AE and now you got a terribad mu?) and as tier making goes, a character with alot of semi-bad mu doesnt cut the top5 as far as i see it.
Really felt the loss of st.lk this week-end. Just one simple buff could easily take him up so many positions…
And fucking hell capcom. Can i fucking get full u2 hits on a ch.fireball? Fucking shit does laughable damage.
Can somebody remind me which character got more SBO spots than any character except Yun and still got out of AE nerf-free? Yeah, he got gypped by AE2012.
emb i know sagats strengths but his weakness’ are very bad and fei long does more damage in ae then sagat . when i played mago he told me the match is at least 6.5 now he knows sagat more then any of us and fei more also. the fact the one command grab can equal nearly 500 damage is retarded whats worse its no meter 1 reka confirmed and we are cornered. even seth killian said to me its a nightmare matchup for sagat lols. im not gonna bother anymore im seriously starting to think that ive had more exposure to top level im not trying be cocky but fei only has pokes over sagat come on thats just wrong hes got knockdown sj o.s can punish fireballs with his eyes closed.
Yeah I know what Fei can do off one command grab. CW combo right? Yes I been known about that since Super. What does a combo have to do with high level? Anyway we shall agree to disagree. But lemme ask you something…are you gonna drop Sagat cuz of this? No…then why does it even matter? Gouki in Vanilla smashed Sagat WAY harder then fei in this game thats for damn sure so if you dealt with that why is Fei so terrible for you? Unless you just didn’t play Vanilla then I understand where you are coming from. Actually no I lied smh. Gouki was the true nightmare and anything after him in Vanilla imo is peaches and cream.
Pretty sure the first hit of all rekkas is exactly the same, so Fei still has that. Only change will be that he has to confirm the second hit off of the first and he can no longer frame trap into the third hit when the second is blocked.
Fei is basically exactly the same.
Yeah old news we confirmed this. Again…so what…it’s one match. And no where near the level of monstrosity that I’m used to. IDK ill just deal with it like i been doing. Thats what you do with a bad match. You deal with it or you counter pick. Every char has them.
He really still has to confirm the second hit now. There’s very few times you can’t TU a second blocked rekka. If Fei’s running trains with 2 x lp rekka , your getting your spacing all wrong or not reacting in time. Good Fei’s will only confirm from the first hit anyway.
The match will pretty much be the same, although Fei will not deal as much damage.
lols your joking your asking me if i’ve played since vanilla lols dude i been using sagat from day 1 and its a fact that akuma did not beat sagat as bad as fei this much the matchup was 5-5 or slightly in akumas favour. you want proof youtube me vs tokido i nearly beat him in a money match and i was way shitter back then not too mention tokido is a better player. also the fact that one of the best akumas outside of japan toxy is one of my training partners/ best friend. also another akuma who is very good called ero oyaji his akuma is godlike but sometimes is not consistent . i know the akuma matchup like the back of my hand as all we had in melbourne was sagat v akuma . i even beat momochis akuma in a muck around casual. have you been playin sagat since vanilla? Do you even play offline? did you go to evo? my answer to all of those questions are yes.
RF: Said this is sagats worst matchup and he said the matchup is ridiculously unfair. Mago same thing Bonchan says the same. 3 best sagats in the world. not too mention the one who made the broken shit with fei lols. even sanford says the match is ridiculous. Your telling me you know more then all of these sagat players? so what about one combo? man one reka you are cornered after that one combo half life no meter waste and now he has a meter to cancel his dp for 50-50 dont tell me so what from one combo. 500 damage without meter is retarded and the combo is easy to land sagat can even do that without ultra at all max 320 so already thats bad enough. and yea its a bad matchup and we have to deal with it fair call . but its fukn bullshit when the character was so popular at evo in my pool i lost to a fei long then if i won i had the fei that knocked van gief out straight after it. thats why im salty if it wasnt for fei i could have really gone far in evo.it still salts me to this day. but yeah cool we dont have to agree but i know i would much rather listen to likes of rf etc then somebody who tells me in vanilla akuma raped sagat the matchup was fair at least.If i hadn’t been playin since vanilla why would i ask for slk back and fireball juggles?
in regards to his nerf the damage output makes a big difference . and second reka also makes a difference yeah its still going to be in fei’s favour but not as bad as it is currently.
idk how in the world you could think Gouki didn’t rock Sagat but Fei rocks him harder. Gouki didn’t get 500 damage off a command grab but the situations he put Sagat in as well as rh loop was ridiculous.
Anyway I’m not here to argue with you anymore. But Gouki vs Sagat damn sure was not even. That’s just ridiculous to make such a claim when Sagat really had nothing over him in any situation. At least Sagat CAN play his game vs Fei I.E zone him. All Sagat had on gouki was huge comeback potential.
Anyway feel free to respond to this but know that I won’t respond in turn.
This isn’t helping this forum or this community. Crying nor arguing won’t change anything and this is the bullshit that made this forum ass from day one.
Man so many inflated egos in this thread , I regret making this .I say we can agree to disagree on a few points . First, people should start showing others how good they are and how many top players they speak to u etc / whatever by doing well at tournaments and actually progressing. This is just getting ridiculous." I did this and this top player told me this , " well i think this and this guy i played told me this" - learn to judge and play from your own experience and not other peoples . Also like i have said I always felt fei - Sagat was slightly in feis favour maybe 5.5 /4.5 but thats definitely as far as it goes , Fei does not destroy sagat and never has , and also @ Heavyweapons I dont agree with Mago Sagat - fei is not 6.5 again u need to consider the japanese culture and how they base alot of things on harmony and agreeing , so if u come to mago and say yeah fei is bull what do u think he will be like " yeah i agree" every time , and also magos sagat has fell off big time back in vanilla he was the best but now his sagat isnt all that his fireball game is still boss however.
Again , this is not a battle of how many tournaments youv been too or how many top players you know or / have met , this just sounds ridiculous for everyone involved. Now the sagat threads are dead as it is , lets please try and actually discuss strats instead of comparing Ego sizes.
Edit: posted at same time as Emblem lord , but i agree also
Ok guys we need to get back on track. This is dumb. We are all brothers here and we are losing sight of whats important. Now I just made a post in the thread I made two flippin years ago trying my best to advance this community forward. Check that post out and tell me what you think. It’s the taking Sagat to the next level thread.
And to stay on topic with the Fei vs Gat thing check this post in a thread a made during Super.
lols when i first met mago i didnt think the fei matchup was bad jiji. he actually said it to me as did akira. you say its about tournament placings and my own experience thats what i have made my judgement on not just because mago says it. i played him in a ft10 and saw exactly why the matchup is bad . He didnt say its bad for sagat because i went and said its hard i asked him what he feels the bad matchups are. And yes his sagat isnt on its A game right now but i can assure you he knows the new strats. Anyways tbh the reason i get pissed off is because i see so much info wrong on this site.I bring up what i have done etc because thats proof and turning up to tournaments counts for alot to me i will have more respect for a tournament player cos tournament is what its about. Anyways i cbf anymore im tired of arguing with ppl in here i would much rather take opinion of grandmasters then anybody else as well as my own experience as u said. As for gouki matchup all sagat needed was one dp and gg. i agree akuma was hard but your forgetting how good sagat was in vanilla the matchup was never harder then 5.5 if you thought that then you must not be playing the matchup correctly sagat had slk to deal with alot more back then . not too mention all that damage he did overall, the juggle of normal tshots and a better fireball game as well as tigerknee being much better. And i just forgot a whole bunch more of Health.
ehhh im over it i cbf anymore.
So it seems like every other character forum no matter what tier level can complain/ express what they wanted different, but as soon as the Sagat forums open their mouths we get a whole busload of peopole bitching and saying we should shut up and be happy with what weve got!?
FUCK YALL!!!
It seems like mufuckers are still traumatized from vanilla days and scared to death about Sagat buffs.
Ive also mained Sagat from day one, never dropped him and ill tell you str8 up:
I want my motherfuckin st. s. from Vanilla back!!!
Never mind if hes top 5 or 3 or 10 or whatever after that, my point is the same as what has been said before:
it would make him more fun to play with again. Seriously his st s. since super feels more like a disability than anything. It also would in no way make him OP to get that back so why all the hate.
A buff on tigershot , tigerknee , normal uppercut …anything would have been better than this which is really nothing at all.
If you think fei is a bad match up then have an alternate. Otherwise work on the match up. what else can you do?
Sagat can have it a lot worse than having a couple bad match ups.
that being said, It’s our choice to play sagat so we have to take his pros and his cons.