I actually like using angry scar a half second into the beginning of round 2, 3, 4, 5 if I have the meter. Because it freezes time and tells me exactly what my opponent is doing. Not every round. Not even every match. But it is a nice little treat. Especially if you have plenty of meter.
Did he neutral jump? Kara TU! Did he forward jump? TU! Is he crouching? Okay I have a few options. Did he dash or jump back? Alright, go for the fireball/chip.
If they do nothing that would result in them getting hit with a TU, the psychological factor remains that the next TU is going to hurt a little more than usual.
It is unfortunate as a Sagat main, to not see him receive a buff. However, HeavyWeapons post hits the spot exactly. He will still have the same tough matchups where he struggles. Sagat will still knock out A LOT of characters.
All I’d like to have buffed: Sagat normal option selects to punish back-dashes. Or fix his stupid U1 to do full animation in the corner.
@Jiji - If it is any consolidation, I played Sagat on SFxT at EVO. I stayed on for 6 hours (winner stays), no losses wins only, won 20 sfxt posters, and it was my first time playing. Sagat is definitely OP in that game, he still has his Kara TU / TS, and his pokes (Everyone’s pokes, actually) are very fast and lead into each other. Chun-li is probably just as OP.
The changes look pretty good for Sagat. Fei Long will do less damage and be very cautious of that second rekka, plus no more un-tech from jabs, Akuma has a bunch of mix up’s taken away. Dudley might get worse , but I’m not seeing anything that’s jaw dropping in his changes. Sagat will now completely obliterate the twins in what will easily be a 6-4 at least (if it wasn’t already).
I’m not seeing anything that puts Sagat out of top 5 now. Buffs would tip him over the edge. Chun and Ibuki will still be bitches, and E.Ryu might be a dark horse.
I main Guile but played Sagat as a secondary since Vanilla and I think a fair buff to him now would be to give him back Vanilla TS recovery rather than the stupid 10 dmg he’s getting. Makes opponents scared to jump in and also Sagat will get back some kara TU setups since AE is a version where jumping pays off pretty damn well. And also give him a faster s.hp which is his less-used poke by 1 or 2 frames so he can more or less use it as an option as an alternate frontal AA against divekicks and empty jump-ins.
S.lk one hit cancel would probably shift him a tier up and turn a lot of matchups to be heavily in his favour.
As for E Ryu, I think Sagat would still have the advantage as his c.mk is really lousy and has to be done very early in order to go under TK and it also so slow it gets destroyed by FAs even if they buffer a special.
Let me get this right… Yun, Yang, Fei, Viper and Akuma got nerfs. Sagat is around #5-6. Hong Kong is definetly dropping down below him. So now Zangief is right behind him near the top and Sagat still beats him badly and… you know what, I don’t need to say more. This thread is dumb
sagat wont be top 5 i doubt it dude. ppl say hes top 5 now ummm no chance. sagat is top 10. the matchups that will screw him will be dudley ibuki which are already hard as hell and they received buffs. the other matchups i feel will be hard is as follows … Cody will become tough balrog harder its 5-5 currently if i feel it might swing to rogs favor, chun harder (back to her favour) some people may laugh at this but hakan may just become a the hardest spd character for sagat the oil buff is huge when hakan is oiled up its hard to zone him and his normals become op. guile in ae became 5-5 now i rekn back to possibly 5.5 dhalsim got more damage thats already a bad matchup. akuma will still have the edge because the majority of his knockdowns are from sweeps so his setups will still be there as well as his roundhouse for sagat akuma is hard due to roundhouse and sweep. but it got slightly better. Ken is still a pain in the ass. imho sagat will be good but not top 5. sakura also just got harder for sagat. this is me just puttin out an estimate i cud be wrong but im am certain sagat wont be top 5 top 8 at best.if he got slk back and no ultra1 glitch then yea top 5 wud be realistic. Not one of his matchups got way better yes im happy that fei n yang got nerfed and viper but still they wont be in sagats favor or 5-5 rose also will be harder as will gief seth will be as well.
My whole concern is so many characters are gettin some good buffs 10 extra damage is a joke. give him a tool that will make a difference.
Yo Heavyweapons. If you don’t mind, space out your points with new lines kinda hard to read your posts. =]
Dudley matchup hasn’t changed all that much IMO. his RH got a ch buff but you shouldn’t be getting hit by that anyway. His focus attack got nerfed i think -3 on lvl 1 which is pretty bad. Won’t be significantly worse than his current iteration.
Ibuki will be hard no doubt about that.
Chun matchup will be pretty much the same as well. kiko(shou) buff will not be an issue because a good chun li won’t be using u2. Counterhit buff is minor.
Sim is a worse match up but not by much. nothing to really change strategies on
akuma sitll a bad match up. but that hasn’t changed
ADon is gonna be a sleeper bad match up i know it.
I don’t find ken to be a bad match at all. and his buff is insignificant as well
I think ultra 1 glitch is here to stay. they haven’t fixed it for 2 iterations why would they change it now?
I imagine Fei will still be his worst match up.
All in all none of his matches got that much worse or better. but all the top tiers went down.
Sagat is going to crush Fei. All Fei truly had was bulldogging with spaced lp Rekka and since thats now worse on block it makes his other options less scary.
the matches i said will get harder will get harder just wait and see. Little changes sometimes are enough to make it tough. i feel the fei matchup got better for sure dunno about crushing him but we shall wait and see. if you do not ken is a tough matchup for sagat then i dont think you have fought a top level ken. A good ken will punish slk or any whiffs with kara grab not too mention he completely outfootsies sagat and has a good knockdown game since a.e due to the sweep buff.
the problem with these forums is everybody seems to be an expert but many do not have proof behind their statements whenever i state a point of view i.e a matchup i list reasons for this.The fact that you say dudleys chk buff will not make much of a difference shows the level of thinking.“you shouldn’t get hit by it” how many tournaments or top level players have you vs’d? I may be coming off arrogant but im really getting tired of some of the posts in this thread .
i would have posted your name if it was directed at you and you didnt mention anything about ken in the last post so i dunno where u got that idea …? I just feel theres quiet abit of misleading info or very debatable to say the least in general thats why i don’t bother to post much theres too many heros here… again this is not directed at you people can read between the lines. i feel we need to revamp the entire thread to be honest.
“he fact that you say dudleys chk buff will not make much of a difference shows the level of thinking.“you shouldn’t get hit by it” how many tournaments or top level players have you vs’d?”
point is if you did get CH roundhoused it’ll almost always lead to ex machine gone blow whether or not the frame data on CH is buffed. at least good dudleys for the most part.
And if you say you provide examples. pleaes illustrate why you think CH buff will make much more of a difference. the hit/hurtbox on it did not change so it shouldn’t be any easier to get hit by it
lols the fact its become faster makes it harder its common sense i would love sagat to have a quicker normal it would help alot especially if it was one of his counter hitting normals. why can you not understand that.
I don’t think that will truly effect the match since st.MK stuff thats and the main way dudley players get that move off is either a read or a frame trap so yeah I’m not sweating that move.
What I really wanna know is why everyone thinks that match was even in super and now suddenly it’s Duds favor. What buffs did he get that change that match from what it was in Super. Let’s talk about this shit my brethren.
that is the current frame data on dudleys standing roundhouse.
and the change was
“Standing Roundhouse counterhit is now +7”
you are obviously ill informed.
please back up your statements. As much as you say you "back up " your statements i haven’t yet seen it. where does it say that his round house got faster? was it start up? active frames? recovery frame?
