I think it’s even right now. Guy can’t Bushin Grab you if you crouch so just do a TU while you crouch to nail Guy in the air.
Viper vs Sagat can’t be even. Simply looking at risk vs reward in almost any scenario can tell you that. He does brutalize her wake up though, I will give him that.
I always had difficulty with that combo for some reason, but I find when I plink it’s much easier because I keep three fingers on all the buttons I need to push to complete the link. lol that’s just me though.
Thanks for that emblemlord, I’m actually finding guy players a problem, their pressure is pretty rough close up.
Also to the viper being 5-5 I would day its slightly in her favor 5.5-4.5 atleast. My reasoning is mainly the fact that she can pretty much neutralise sagat’s ts game at any range besides the >90% of the screen. Tkbks are a real pain especially if your not expecting it to punish, plus her damage is crazy good for little meter ( even in vannilla where sagat had stupid damage she was still a bad matchup ). Sagat has the trade ultra but most goodvipers will bait out uppercut for like 35-40% punish and 50-50 set up afterwards.
So I took this to training, and it is a set up that causes all shotos to whiff reversal DPs. If they hit jab or backdash, the TK will whiff, but how many will really do that? and I think that you will recover before them anyways to where you could just throw them back into the corner. I’ve only tested it on shotos, but it probably works on guile and cammy.
What
tk are you using?
bet it doesn’t work on gen
You could just meaty Gen.
MK TK
It absolutely works on gen
I took it to training today and here is the deal:
I have know it works on:
Ryu
Ken
Akuma
Gen
Guile
Blanka
Ibuki
El Fuerte (his anti-air command grab whiffs)
It crosses up:
Ibuki
It doesn’t work on:
Dudley
The Twins
Fei
Cammy
Sagat
If I didn’t mention the names, I didn’t test it. Likely because they don’t have a DP type move, and/or I don’t have much time.
It crosses up anyone who does a low move.
It whiffs people who neutral wake up, jump, back dash, or use some normals (ryu’s jab comes to mind). But, not many people are going to back dash in the corner, you can probably punish a jump with a lp TU, nobody does a neutral wake up, and not many people will toss out a jab if you are rushing them down.
Also, if they delay their reversal, you will get burned in most cases. It will cause a mashed reversal to whiff, but you can’t rely on it. I’d use it on a mix-up when I’m trying to bait a DP FADC. Then just punish with a raw ultra.
have people discovered all the " secret " Lk tiger knee strings on all the characters yet? when i say secret i mean strings that can only happen / work with you inputting a certain string with sagat before hand. for example v ibuki u need to do cr.hp on block into MK knee to get the 2 hit knee , and from there cr.lp lk knee will hit twice and give u very good advantage , which u can repeat up to 5 times. I say secret because if u try the same thing with a different string before hand , u can do 2 reps max.
Its strange and something that isnt AMAZING since tk strings can be beaten , but i thought it was interesting. I discovered this v makoto by accident quite a while ago
normally do the strings with st.jabs,
but the loop’s just seem random , sometimes i can get 2 , othertimes 4 / 5.
Might be related to character sway animation
so your telling me that sagat doesnt have good comeback factor or damage factor to completely makes viper second guess coming in?
he can take huge damage off 1 viper mistakes, and he has lots of health to deal with vipers mix up
for god sake… sagat has plenty of "anti air " options
like i said before, sagat can zone out viper and force her to make huge risk by coming in thru the air. as she cannot beat sagat in the ground game
and if your getting beat in the ground game, then i dont know what else to say, but to just work on your game
Sagat vs Viper is 5-5…
im trying to pick sagat up.and i see some people in the corner do a combo into tiger uppercut then FADC but they go on the other side how?
Hold the FADC a split second then dash like normal and as soon as you hit the other side input the Ultra the opposite direction.
ok thanks BTW that was a fast edit
Yeah, I misunderstood your question at first. But yeah I type fast.
I think you can put it in as the normal direction as a buffer in the dash and it auto corrects.
Not 100%, I don’t use this, risk reward not good enough unless your spot on with execution.
Does anyone feel like Sagat gets hated a lot online and no one respects his game?
I’m learning Sagat and was doing some endless lobbies with him and I played one guy, he beat me, I played him again, then be sends me a message saying I shouldn’t mash and all this crap. I thought I was doing pretty well with the fireball zoning game.
So is this hate just something I should get used to?
I’m actually tempted to post a video of the match so you guys can judge and see who is in the right.
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Anyone that complains about Zoning and AA doesn’t know much about the game and is likely a scrub.
However if he said you were mashing that is different, but who cares, all the pros mash, you have a great uppercut with a simple shortcut, take advantage of it.
Oops, forgot to mention that when i played him again, I beat him which prompted him to send the message.
I mean yeah sure, I’m not Mago or anything, but everyone has to learn. I personally thought I did OK, but of course others would disagree.
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