They just announced them to save face after Gamestop leaked it IMO.
Also you really don’t need to buy DLC to be competitive, just play against the characters online/read about then/watch vids blah blah blah.
This. Unless you’re an absolute hardcore tourney player, you dont even need to purchase to characters to figure out the matchups.
Everyone: think of your main, and then think of a character you never play, but frequently encounter via online/local/arcade play. For me I played Gen at least a thousand times in SF4 and SSF4, but I’ve played Ryu less than 30. Guess what? I still ended up learning the matchup through experience. Of course, it helps that Ryu is one of the most popular characters online :lol: but the point still stands. You can learn how to be competitive against characters even if you dont play them yourself.
Don’t get me wrong–it certainly helps to have the character unlocked/available, as opposed to being DLC (or whatever) but you’re only going to learn the Jill/Shuma/etc matchup by actually fighting against them, reading up on tactics, studying vids and memorizing frame data.
The only big issue to me is that skipping a DLC character may impact your training mode impact against him/her. For example Capcom may add a big character like Juggernaut for DLC and Chun may end up having really good (or infinite) combos against him. Skipping the DLC will mean that you cant practice those combos or get good at that infinite in a controlled environment.
EDIT: I’m an idiot who forgot that MvC3 has an infinite prevention system in place. I’m still keeping my example up for the lulz :lol:
true, but one does still have options other than the ones mentioned above. i’m not boycotting MvC3, like i said, i’ll borrow or rent it. so, if this game is just as average (which is still very possible in my mind and i’ve played the TGS build) as Capcom latest attempts. i’m covered. i’m not going to be stuck with a coaster or playing a game simply because everyone else is playing it. buy hey, far be it from me to stop the hoi polloi from jumping on the MVC3 hype train and blindly handing over their cash like a senior citizen at a slot machine in vegas. it’s a lost cause.
The thing is, none of us are qualified to judge other’s taste. If someone likes a game they like it. If someone doesn’t regret buying DLC, it was worth the money.
spoken like a true scrub
you can’t test character hit boxes, nor can actually experiment with the character to see where they’re weak. You can’t test push block or anti guard cancel or anti push block scenarios. You can’t practice getting out of their supers multiple times if possible. What should take maybe 30 mins in training mode could possibly take all week with random opponents if you didn’t pay for the character and you’re still in the dark about some of the characters attributes. Good players go through the whole cast, see what they can do, who’s weak, who’s not then they take the best characters and scrutinize their game. Now if one of those DLC characters happen to be high mid tier or top, it totally destroys how you can approach the game unless you shell a few bucks for it of course…
Its fucking retarded. If I wanted to test magneto’s hit boxes vs x character in mvc2, I can do that very simply in training mode because I have the character.
what happens if the character is good? now I have to pay money for a good character? oh wait its just like magic the gathering now!
But what could we do about it? This isn’t like the netcode thing, where after enough prodding, Capcom might actually do something down the road. This shit is all about money, and short of NO ONE buying the game or DLC, I think that won’t change whatsoever, and if anything, will get worse. This is why you keep the old systems.
QFT!!! this is what people dont get. theres the whole “if you dont like it dont buy it”…well yeah, except for when i want to enter a toruney and some jill player beats me because i dont know how to fight her.
anyone who wants to take this game to a higher level is essentially forced to buy DLC characters because it will be necessary to succeed.
things that affect game balance shouldnt come at a cost. if you want to make money off the new character do it through ridiculous costume bullshit that everyone loves
Whatever happened to supporting fighting games? Fighting games becoming popular again isn’t going to happen for free you know. Pay up and keep capcom interested in the genre. It’s only $10.
You guys are lucky you’re getting the game for $60. Over here, all big console games are $99 (and currently our dollar is almost on par with american dollar) whether they suck or not. You’ll bet that we’ll be paying a full $10 for the download pack too.
I’d wager that US MvC3 will be about the same that we have to pay for a DS game, which is totally not fair at all.
Terrible argument. SF4 and SSF4 made plenty of money without character DLC. MvC3 was already slated to make more than both combined. We’re getting plenty of fighting games over the next two years. If the genre dies, it certainly won’t be because of lack of money.
i’m not responsible for someone else taste, poor or otherwise. all i’m doing is being an discerning consumer who likes to base potential purchases on something more substantial than blind faith in FG companies or on the hype surrounding a game that hasn’t even dropped. but hey, that’s just me.
i’m all for supporting fighting games, but blindly supporting them no matter the circumstances? no. i didn’t do that back when arcades were at their peaks. i’m not about to start now.
lol @ “DLC is what will make fighting games popular”
Hey, I’ll take blind faith over overwhelming stupidity like at Unity.
since when does supporting fighting games include, pay for extra characters via DLC?
prior to all this shit, we supported fighting games by holding HYPE ass tournaments. Every time someone gets help on shoryuken thats supporting the scene. attending tournaments, supporting the scene. Buying sticks from madcatz\hori, supporting the scene. Getting hype @ tournament, supporting the scene. Running a stream, supporting the scene etc…
thats how you support the scene and judging by our current scene size, I think we’ve done just fine supporting the scene cause these games are fucking GLOBAL.
Don’t mean to be a nag, but seriously, I would honestly like my question answered. Just because there can’t be any worse ideas than the ones usually thrown out.
So then buy or don’t buy when you try it. Assuming the worst is no different than assuming the best. If the game looks good to you, buy it. The problem is you’re ascribing motivations to people that might not be (probably aren’t) justified.
As for me, I like the dlc model, and can easily afford the characters. Anyways, if I enjoy the product (dlc in this case), there’s no reason to sweat the deeper meaning to the industry. It seems sometimes that people just get off on being angry.
Edited for stupid smartphone typos
I would rally up every decent player who’s note worthy and ask their opinion. What I’m currently doing now for online play is talking to top\pro\vet players about where the net play was as opposed to where it is now. Once they answer my questions, I’m gonna make a little article explaining to everyone our current state of the fighting game scene and then send it to CU and capcom offices.
Talk to ALLLLL the good players about DLC, they will flip out I’m sure. Make it a community concern by highlighting whats wrong with DLC characters and whats good about DLC stages\costumes. Put the spot light on the mother fucker and let the pro’s talk about it. If enough people complain about it, it will be removed. Just like the 300 page threads on CU about getting this character in the game.
Also, we need to do something about the scrubs and their lack of simple basic elements. There are people on shoryuken.com who think they should have a say in everything but can’t play worth a lick and that doesn’t happen in the real world. I can’t walk into an open heart surgery @ a local hospital and give my opinion. Why? probably because I’m not a fucking doctor and I have no place to talk and if I do want to have an opinion, I should probably study first.
why should new players with no EXP be able to talk about fightiing game mechanics or the scene as it pertains to discussions? They offer very little actual good input.
Really though is there much difference between paying for DLC characters, and paying for the SF4–>SSF4 upgrade??? If you want new characters, and you want to stay competitive with the newest version of the game then you gotta throw down the $$$.
Now, I will say I’m not good at the game, so I defer to you for actual gameplay elements. If anything, I probably don’t even deserve to discuss with you things like this because I’m nowhere near good or experienced with anything in the FG community, nor do I think I’ll ever be. What I can, and will try to bring to this, is at least the role of common sense.
Like I said before, netcode can probably be changed with enough people to argue about it because Capcom doesn’t really think about it much. It’s not as important so I don’t see them being stubborn about changing it at all, other than through absolute laziness.
I can agree and understand why pro players would massively hate DLC characters. However, when delving into DLC, now we’re getting into something Capcom really cares about and is stubborn about. That is the almighty dollar. There is only one thing that will break through to them on that front, and that is lack of money, aka, lack of sales. Unless few people buy the characters, they have no actual reason to listen to us from a business standpoint. The only thing they’ll understand is how that will impact their business on a major level. Being generous, I’d say the hardcore FG community makes up…10% of people who will buy MvC3. Let’s say that not a single person from it buy the DLC and 50% of casuals do indeed buy it. With the amount of people who will buy the game, that barely becomes a dent.
The question becomes how to appeal to Capcom on a mass enough level in order for them to actually listen.
Now, to be honest, I’m expecting you to read my first couple of sentences, then just completely shoot me down and insult me, and that’s fine. Just wanted and answer, and at least I got it.
It’s really not any different, but I do know a lot of people were angry over having to pay a $40 “upgrade fee” a year later to begin with.
I actually rank SSF4 as a slightly better scenario than DLC characters because you got access to all the characters for an average of $4 a character, plus you got new ultras to boot. I will be pleasantly surprised if DLC characters for MvC3 are $4 each.
There are positives and negatives to each scenario. I do hope they release a Super/GOTY version with all the DLC on disc though, sort of like they did with RE5 Gold.
Yeah its the same; the whole objection to dlc is philosophical/conceptual.