if you do an emtpty jump then you can shoryu I think.
else try to throw as soon as you touch the ground .
but if shoryu doesn work it means you can attack , so may be a back dash as soon as you touch the ground( that doen t beat her but at least you escape her cr.lk)?
if none of this 3 work, then don t land next to her…
but just to be clear you want to beat her cr.lk as soon as you touch the ground or with an air attack?
This is horrible advice. If a SRK doesn’t beat it, a throw will absolutely not beat it - a throw is 3 frames and has no invincibility - SRK is invincible until it hits.
j.hp (or maybe j.lk) should crush the c.lk if it’s early enough to hit you on the recovery of any other j. attack
if she’s not doing the c.lk that early, then you can just land and block, or land and SRK (or land and backdash, but that might get hit by whatever she does next).
If you get a jumpin on Chun and she can’t s.mk it, then you should generally do j.hp with an option-select SRK in case she backdashes the jumpin. That should beat anything she does.
that why I said that if shoryu doesn t beat it means no attack will work, including throw…
but you are write, I should have say also instead of ELSE speaking about the Throw
I just realize I write can beat her instead of can T…
so my mistake.
good point about throw is that first except if you have 2 ex shoryu is risky,
next, if chun li player instead of cr.lk do back +throw then it will protect the shoryu and beat all move that ryu do except throw and back dash.
if I rmember corectly if you do an empty jump you can cancel the first frame with a special so shoryu should always work against cr.lk.
a well timed cr.lk should beat the throw however. but in this case jump lk or hp could have touch her.
generally speaking empty jump are not a strong mix up in sf4. opponment waking up and spaming throw will beat every thing except a well timed shoryu( and when i say well timed i mean a 2 or 3 frame windows) and a back dash( that will recorver just before the end of the throw but not enough to punish it)
i have yet to try that empty jumpin then srk but her c.lk comes out just as i’m about to land and i can’t block it (but never tried empty jumpin) i did jump hp but this will not hit her at all
she is not backdashing but crouching as soon as i reaches a certain height then c.lk comes out and i have tried lk,mp,hp,mk,hk early or late to very late, all is beaten by her c.lk, i haven’t tried lp
when this happens, she will chain and ended it with ex thousands kicks plus another ex or ultra whatever she pleases, i can mostly beat or trade her s.mk using lk or hp
you must press on you buton to hight.
I just tried and jump hp, hkm mk, lk beat the cr.lk clearly from all distance even in cross up with the lk or mk.
you must press the buton when you are too hight.
I tried empty jump shoryu and it beat the cr.lk
you can also do a jump hp, hk lk or whatever into a option select shoryu. If somehow your air attack wiff, the shoryu will beat the cr.lk.
I cann t really understand why you have trouble as all jump in clearly beat cr.lk.
just wait a little bit more before pressing your button in air.
also
throw lose, and back dash too.
and the best for the end, I tried jump hp option select ultra making the jump hp wiffing on purpose.
as soon as i land the ultra came out.
double contacte with a cr.lk make ryu recorver faster and close to chun li.
so I made ultra cr.hp hp shoryu , super… 685 domage 13 hit combo.
the cr.hp shoryu after ultra already make more than 500 total domage…
than will not happen ofen but alway good to know.
i m trying to do the fa lvl 2 after the ultra but no success timing is short but it might be possible
Ranix, can you put it on video? so that i can see when you press the button? or maybe chun li’s c.lk was mistimed or if you have ps3, can we test it out?
also if the jumpin distance is slightly far away i know almost all ryu’s attack will beat her c.lk, cross up will beat her c.lk
Thanks
I tried by recording the cr.lk in a way that it doesn t do her special attack but came out repeatly.
jump in hp beat it really clearly just record chun li doing cr.lk and jump on her.
press the hp button once you are going down after the apex of your jump.
windows is quiet large you don t have to wait for the last moment to press the hp.
sorry I have no camera . i m in japan so with lag not sur we can test( and to be honest my playstation is not even plugged online…)
if you are afraid of chun li walking forward under your jump and cr.lk then jump with mk. it touch clearly in cross up and in front so no problem.
will test it on training mode and record the jumpin and i will do the c.lk, hopefully i can record it and put it up somewhere
her c.lk comes out just as i’m about to land so he didn’t spam it but he timed it real well
or i’ll try to record when i can and if he is online today, been trying to find the solution to beat that thing
and i’m not too worry about her going behind me as that will either get me free hit or reset
I just tried the way you said,
recorded ryu doing jump in late hp, mk or hk, and tried to make it wiff with chun li cr.lk.
all jump in beat clearly chun li.
you just have to press a little bit after passing the apex of your jump, that all.
but normally you should not jump on chun li except after a know down. her front jump hp hp ,straight jump hp hp(into ultra if you are near the corner) or hk , her sweep and her cr.mp are very good AA without speaking of ex return kick…
no, it wasn’t just jumpin but i jump over her kikkouken where she doesn’t really have time to jump forward and do a hp hp, her sweep and her c.mp can be beaten if ryu’s jumpin is slightly faraway with hk or mk or hp
sorry ranix, i was mistaken, it was her c.mk not c.lk 
both look similar
I just tried her down mk,
jump ins hp and lk beat it.
jump ins hp beat it clearly in all range but from close to avoid chun li to walk in your back during jump lk can be usefull
Guys…please take the discussion somewhere else.
sorry mikey to use your topic, but I think that might be the good place for what I want to show.
Tonight I made some shorts video of ryu doing some option select.
there is diferent kind of option select in sf4
method 1
one is about using the fact that canceling short doesn t allow you to do special attack
method 2
the other one is about using the fact that if a move wiff your opponment you recorver faster than if it touch him.
in all the video I record ryu mive and i use the other character.
video 1
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jump hp cr.lp cr.lp cr.hp hado
the second cr.lp is done by doing cr.lp+mp+mk.
here I use the option select 1
this is a defensive option select very usefull against chun li and boxer
you can also dash forward and punish the sweep but dificult to do as I m recording all the ryu move…
video 2
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video 2 is also using option select method 1.
is just to show that you can includ an option select an continue to press your opponment.
here we make an option select of the secon cr.lk with a shoryu
video 3
also using method 1
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video 3 is an exemple of how you can use cr.lk cr lk/shoryu option select.
cr.lk then shoryu +lk+hp timing have to be the timing of a cancel.
video 4
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using method 2
every body use method 2 when doing jump hp option select shoryu.
if the jump touch no shoryu because of the extra frame recorvering.
here we use the same method but with cr.lp.
if cr.lp touch then we continue the pressing
if cr.lp wiff then sls.
it s just anmother tool and another way to use option select.
video 5
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using also method 2
it s just to show that you can also option select dash or back dash using method 2.
however sagat could have unthrow. this is just an exemple to show the mecanism of the game.
the throw after the dash is done in the same time of the hado by doing cr.mk hado lp+lk
so cr.lp dash cr.mk qcf lp+lk
video 6
use method 1
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you do cr.lk the cr.lk+mk here you use the cancel rule so you do acr.mk only if there is a back dash
then as you are canceling the first lk into the second lk, you can t perform any special attack. but if opponment back dash your mk can be cancel .
in this exemple you see that option lcelect can be more than just 1 attack.
so tht it, just some video showing diferent use of mecanism of the game to create option select.
sorry for the poor video I just wanted toshare, and i m sure if i writed without video, people will not really understand.
ranix
Good stuff man, I’m also going to be making an option select tutorial in November.
Ranix, love the videos.
hurry it up with it already!
and i scored an xbox for $20 from my boy and its gettin repaired (rings of death), so we should get some games in sometime when i get it back mane…
Oh god thank you! I was actually just about to ask that question. I saw all your vids and I was impressed with it, mainly because your guides aren’t in the least confusing and it’s easy to comprehend all the knowledge you’re trying to instill in our minds on how to apply certain options in certain situations.
Thanks for all the great guides and I hope continue making great guides
great videos by ranix… alot of information - making my head hurt lol
Hi Ranix; firstly, thanks for the great tutorial. Im slightly confused though. I dont know how to use the option selects where you do one poke then the OS after. So, for example, with c…lk > c.lk OPTION SELECT SRK… if the first c.lk hits or is blockd the opp is in stun and the second poke comes out, but if it whiffs, wouldnt their move or dash happen too early for the SRK to hit?
Could you maybe give an example of how I cold begin to use these option selects?
thanks a lot