if you jump over a lp or lk tiger shot from the opposit cormer you will eat a kara tiger or a kara tigershot or even karatigerknee
but if you jump quiet early it will be ok especially over fast one.
I played against EmblemLord and he did quite a few of that which is scary cause the distances covered and the tiger uppercut hits like on the very start of it, i tried both empty jumpin or with any attack but still get hit clean most of the time, when it trade, he follows up with f+hk and ultra if he has one, if not he follow up with either ex tiger knee or ex tiger shot.
but he did say that he won’t do it too often as something i can’t remember so probably there is a risk to it as well for sagat
i agreed on the gain ground and momentum gain that is worth
i need to work on not jumping too often especially against good sagat player
oh and a question since you have alot of xp against sagat
you know when sagat did a tiger knee and ryu did c.mk and causes ryu not getting hit, i heard that its a free combo for ryu after that since sagat can’t block, is this true? cause when i tried a combo after c.mk, sagat seems to be able to block it, any idea?
You barely have enough time to SRK on reaction if someone jumps on reaction to a fireball - there’s no way a Kara TU will have time to go off (unless it’s a high tiger shot which you shouldn’t be jumping over - or if you react too slow and your jump is late).
Same goes for Kara Knee and Kara Tiger - it’s all too slow.
If you’re outside of his F+HK range and he does a low tiger shot, you’re pretty much safe to jump over it (unless he FADCs of course, but that just means he’s psychic)
Yeah, I guess to be honest, I couldn’t really answer your question too well because I just don’t use just jump in’s to gain ground what so ever…so I never really found myself in that position.
Regarding the knee whiff thing…I’m sure that you can gain a combo if the knee falls IN the c.mk and you buffer an uppercut or hurricane…however if you make the knee whiff, and your recovering from your c.mk, I’d like to lean more towards the fact that you cannot combo in this position.
I’ve had many situations where I make a sagat whiff a knee because of c.mk, and when I throw he would have enough time to tech it…making me assume that I couldn’t get a combo if I even wanted to.
At the same time, I don’t think a lot of people understand that tech’ing a throw against sagat still leaves you in a good position to fight…so all in all, i personally think it’s a win in any circumstance.
hmmm, gonna try the throw next time i get the c.mk whiffs, and i don’t think i ever get the c.mk to hit but is it only against specific tiger knee kicks like maybe only in hk tiger knee or any of them can be hit?
and when it whiffs does it mean i’m doing c.mk too quick?
Pretty sure it’s supposed to whiff. You’re just using it to lower your hitbox and duck under the hitbox of the tiger knee.
ah i see, and if i follow up with c.lp, does sagat have time to do tiger uppercut? i don’t plan to get counter hit after evading his tiger knee
Yes you will…realize that any time that Sagat’s close, tiger uppercut can’t be ignored as an option for him to press momentum.
yeah especially when they have to ex bar, they could go back to safety and have nothing to lose, if tiger uppercut hits, he can follow up with tiger knee or f+hk or ex tigershot if he has another bar
if it’s blocked, they are back to safety
If the tiger knee was late enough in relation to your c.mk, then no - he won’t TU. You’re punishing his whiffed knee, he has no option. Just know that the timing is very tight and depending on the timing / strength of the knee, it might not be possible.
Yeah it’s very tight timing. I tried it on ScrubbyDan yesterday at the arcade, when it worked it was great cause I could score a jab (but promptly bunked up the combo) but it works wonders when you do it right.
two words… FUCK SAGAT.
uhhh… I fgound the above confusing so thought I’d write a summary for everyone else ( pretty certain this is 100% accurate)…
c.mk : c.mk from full range will stuff TK and you can then combo (I use tatsu, dunno if SRK is 100% safe here)
whiffed TK : minimum recovery is 13, so you can punish the shit out of it.
blocked TK : this is safe for gat if he hits at full range ( only the tip of his knees hits) else you get a free SRK (you have to hit the SRK immediately though)
Think that’s right… yeah?
I think if sagat TK touch you 2 hit in your guard you can do a combo like cr.mp shoryu .
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check 3.40 min
low tiger shot and then kara TU to counter the opposit corner jump.
just to let you know that it s possible.
about kara knee and kara shot I saw mago using it but don t rem,ember especially the situation. both as AA
the thing about the whiff tk, is we did a c.mk which takes some frame too and i’m not sure which tk was used but probably mk and we have to do it just before he lands, and after recover sagat seems to be able to block my c.lp
maybe i miss time it but it certainly is not easy to do
and the tk is not at full range but close range
he uses kara knee and shot when he knows kara tu will not hit since the opponent is slightly away from kara tu and yes it is as AA
and when this done there is a chance that a trade might happen but when this does happen the favour is for sagat, free f+hk, ultra or whatever 
The TU doesn’t counter it, Ryu has time to block that - he just doesn’t have enough health to survive the chip. That’s why Sagat uses EX - more chip.
Plus, I said
If Ryu hadn’t jumped so late he would have had even more time.
Thanks for keeping my thread on topic guys…I really appreciate it.
i m not sur about cheap death in this case, but it s true that if you jump as soon as sagat send a low one you are safe.
it was just to late you know that the TU reach you if you jump over a TS.
also there is some set up after throw or take down when you have TS touching you in guard then they send another tU .
due to blockstun even if you jump tyou will eat karaTU.
watch some mago video he use it a lot. so many kara with TS or TK or TU depending the situation.
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check this fight there is many kara
quick question, i’ve been trying to see if i can beat chun li’s c.lk during jumpin. here is the scenario
i jumpin and will land next to chun li (very close to her) i can’t seem to find a way to beat her c.lk even when i tried to do the attack very late was planning to test lp
if someone knows how to beat it and put it on video that will be wonderful