I shoulda wrote down the stuff I was gonna say, cuz I forgot half of it:sweat:
BUT:
-I had a lot of success jumping back and hitting his sky high claw on reaction. As long as you’re not doing a fireball, it’s hella easy to do. If you see a yellow Vega go towards the wall and he’s not comboing you hit his ass!
-Far hp is my round starter of choice. It hits him out of any attach he would try and still gives you time to block if he jumps.
-Mixup the timing of your sparks ans even do lk drill sometimes to make him waste ex claw.
-I had a lot of success using c.mp to beat wall dive attack whenever I didn’t have time to jump and hit him. (I still need to test more just to be 100% though)
-If the Vega you fight is flipkick happy on wakeup, go ahead and cross him up. Crossup beats reversal flipkick ot flipkick just misses worst case scenario.
-Keep pressure on Vega. C.jabx3 into lp spark worked well for me…
-Once you knock his claw off (by stayin on him on hit OR blocked strings) GET THAT SHIT OFF THE SCREEN. Get wherever you need to get as fast as you can to get it off screen. If you can’t dash anywhere to get it off screen, just stand ocer it and use c.mp,c.mk into drill or tick throw to create some space. Your pokes work soooo much better and it’s actually pretty easy to get rid of his claw so this is super important!
That’s all I can remember, all thosw matches vs Vega and that’s all I can remember:rofl:
Honestly, this is kinda like one of those matches better explained visually to me. But I refuse to go back to SD to hook up my VCR to record myself so…:bluu:
-HP Soul Throw can catch Cammy in her Quick Spin Knuckle while she’s airborne. Pretty -sure you can catch her in Hooligan Combos while she’s still airborne too(my friend is not great Cammy player).
-Rose’s Ultra will cleanly counter Cammy’s Ultra while she’s in the Spiral Arrow part of it.
Are you positive? Either I’m timing this thing wrong or the claw player I’m playing is better than the one you’re beating up on . I get wall slapped out of my soul throw…so yeah, I don’t know…I just want a double check from you.
Anyone got any advice for playing against Ryu/Ken 'cos they just come at me hard and fast and I can’t do s*** bar try and catch them with a few pokes to stop them from mullering me then trying to pull off a throw to try and get some momentum. I really struggle most against these two.
I’m not exactly the best SF4 player to say the least and my main let down is my blocking skills, I’m working on it but any other advice for this specific matchup would be great.
EDIT: I’ve read a few posts about people saying about kens/ryus playing the fireball game and that’s non-exsistent. They’re in my face completely mullering me with just everything they have. I’d love it if one of them I did play against, did this. Really, I would. Then at least it’s an easy tactic.
Hi. In HD remix, my first serious SF action since blowing a few quarters at the arcade in the 90’s, I pretty much played Ken exclusively. Same for SF 4, but I played around with Rose a little too. I thought she was really cool with the sham-wow action, the soul throw, and the cool super move. Anyway, I decided to make the switch, and I’m having a blast playing her. Thanks for all the great information you guys have been posting. My Rose is coming along pretty well. Probably not quite where I was with Ken, but getting close.
If someone doesn’t mind, I could use some tips for how to effectively use her dash. I know it’s supposed to be good compared to other character’s dash. I’ve heard people talk about dashing behind lp soul spark. One thing I noticed when trying to do that is that my dash input wouldn’t register for a second or two after I throw a soul spark. What’s up with that? Is there a preferred range for this strategy? Also what’s a good plan of attack as you close in on a person with the spark in front of you? Back dashing after getting knocked down by Gief sounds like a great strategy, I’ll definitely try to incorporate that. Any other good uses?
Has anyone found a good A-air with Rose yet. Her soul throw is too slow to be used on reactiomn and her Forwad.S.HK cant be used too close. It works well for jump-ins of a certain distance but it fails to hit someone jumping from sweep distance… c.HP maybe?
All it takes is for you to c.hp them out of their jumpins like twice and then they’ll chill out. I assume they’re jumping in a lot if they’re always in your face the way you describe. If you block,duck a tatsumaki, c.mp into lp spark or c.mp and then slide to get into throw range works pretty well.
Also throwing works REALLY well if you have her throw mixups down. I get away with MURDER because Rose’s post-throw mixups make shoto players afraid to go for the reversal dp since they might miss. I’m talking 4 throws in a row into a crossup stun combo:rofl:
I mostly use her dashes to close/make space. And yeah, dashing after she finishes her lp spark is pretty nice. YOu can use the blocked spark as a tick thros, dashin once or twice(depends on distance) and then either crossup or max range slide and then do a c.mp to try and beat their counter poke. SHe has more options, but I’m lazy right now:rofl:
I use c.hp, stand mp, crouch mp, and EX Soul Glo. I use c.hp the most since it’s so good though. Those mp’s work surprisingly well, give em a shot.:tup:
does Rose have any jump in’s that can beat Ryu’s c.hp? I always wind up trading hits with either mk or hp and those to me seem like her best options. Jumping in on Ryu probably isnt the best strat but it seems the only way to keep the pressure off of me is to apply it to him.
I’m wondering from any experienced Rose players, how often do you jump? I’m at a point in my game were I am just not jumping at all. Unless I know the player just can’t handle it at all or I’m in a good situation to jump.
And does anyone use her slide to get away from cross up attacks or jump ins? I have had decent success with it when I use it and was wondering if anyone else had.
I jump a decent amount. Expecially cuz people LOVE to quick rise. That’s a FREE crossup for me after I JUST did a combo lol:tup:
I was spazzin out tonight. Hittin j.hk, c.lp.clp.c.lk.,c.mp, ex drill like it wasn’t shit. I think I’m at the point where I’m bored with this game though. Out of all 100 of my ALL SRK friend list, only 3 people can beat me when I use Rose/Gouken. Maybe I picked up on the game really fast since the people who can beat me have already been playing in arcades.:bluu:
But yeah, first to 10 and barely getting hit is mad boting to me. I like to get whooped, makes me feel like I’m not so good and need to get better.
Her jump is so floaty I hardly ever jump unless im going for cross up or if a player gets too FB happy and I can take adv of it. Its really random and situational.
I Never jump in against Gief. Pehaps i should start…
Ya know, I lied. I jume a lot! I love her jump straight up hp safe jump/overhead mixups. I love her crossup game. I love her jumping attacks shitting on a lot of othet peoples if you know how and when to to them. And jumping in on GEEF is easier than you would think, but you don’t HAVE to do it by any means. Fireballs and sweeps will do. It will take a while, bit it will do:bluu:
@Luigi - I’m not that good and I know it but there are only like 3 people that can also hang with me so I’m also looking for better comp myself especially since I’m kinda new with competitive SF.
I guess I could try jumping a bit more because I have success with it, just don’t like jumping much haha.
But the thing is that the peeps I play have won some form of a tourney before, so they’re all good players, I guess I just picked up fast like I said. Some of them raped me for free in ST and now I’m returning the favor in IV:rofl:
Thanks for the advice Luigi, have you got any videos up at all? There’s not many good rose vids to watch out there. Only really ones I’ve learnt anything from was Saqs (dude you’re awesome!)
EDIT: Okay, playing a ken at the moment. He jumps in on me, I try a c.hp and it does shit. He will either sweep me or just full on flaming dp me to high hell. I try to block it but at least one of the hits ends up getting me. Then he’ll just keep doing that. So does someone wanna give me some advice cos it’s driving me fucking nuts. Don’t say c.hp or just c.mp cos that does sweet fuck all. </frustration>
. I get wall slapped out of my soul throw…so yeah, I don’t know…I just want a double check from you.